February fund drive notice
On Friday 18 February 2005 at 00:00 UTC, the message below needs to go live on this page:
-- mav 21:22, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
So, this stays up until March 4th then? Are we about to be slashdotted Monday morning? --Connel MacKenzie 02:41, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Links to pronunciation guide and edit layout explanation
One of the things that many paper dictionaries have on every page are short reminders of the phonetic alphabet and of common abbreviations. I notice that editors are hyperlinking the infrastructure words "IPA" and "SAMPA" in pronunciations to Wiktionary:Pronunciation key. (Internally) linking infrastructural words is considered a bad thing by some editors. (Eventually, if all words were given an IPA pronunciation, every article in the entire main namespace would have a link to Wiktionary:Pronunciation key.) I also notice that Wikinews uses the site notice to good effect. I propose that the site notice be modified to include links to our entry layout and pronunciation key, as follows:
I'm posting this here rather than being bold because (a) this is, as all system messages are, a protected article; and (b) changes made here will be highly visible, and I want to ensure that there is consensus for such a change. Uncle G 23:41, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
- I think including a short pronunciation guide across the bottom of the page is a great idea. Print dictionaries usually only deal with one or two languages though - we'd need lots of symbols to cover all of our languages. I think we have a few choices:
- Just put the English symbols for now.
- English plus the most common of the other major European languages.
- Something customizable from the user's Preferences page.
- Base our choice on what languages currently have many pronunciations here.
- Even for English we'll have to be careful to choose words which are pronounced with equivalent phonemes in all dialects. That means watching out for the w:cot-caught merger and words which use either /æ/ or /ɑː/ depending on dialect. — Hippietrail 05:48, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- The fifth choice is outlined above: Don't include any symbols explicitly, but do include a hyperlink to our pronunciation key page. I am not aware of a way to customize what is displayed from the "interface language" section of preferences, which would be how to implement option 3. And I think that whatever subset of symbols we select will be considered inappropriate for some. Also note that we have three separate pronunciation systems: IPA, SAMPA, and "AHD", which makes for a lot of symbols. ☺ Uncle G 13:20, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- I don't particularly like the notion that this would be on every page at the top. Wouldn't this be more appropriate to add to MediaWiki:Editing? --Connel MacKenzie 14:10, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- Which idea are you referring to? Would links to Wiktionary:Entry layout explained and Wiktionary:Pronunciation key at the top of every page not be at least as useful as the link to current events at the side of every page is? This isn't something for MediaWiki:Editing because it's geared towards readers, so that they can quickly get to the pronunciation key and layout explanation when reading entries. Uncle G 27 June 2005 18:49 (UTC)
- I think this idea is impractical. In addition to the fact that we already have at least three acceptable pronunciation systems we also need to consider whether we would require the user to scroll down to the key. If it is to become something that stays fixed in position, it would just use up so much more of a page. Eclecticology 22:44, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
- I don't see what is impractical about the proposed text given above. No scrolling or fixed positions are required, moreover. I'm tempted to actually make the change to demonstrate, because there seems to be some misunderstanding of what I'm proposing here, and how small and simple it is. Uncle G 27 June 2005 18:49 (UTC)
This belong here perhaps, not clogging recent changes? --Connel MacKenzie 22:15, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Why isn't MediaWiki 1.5beta1 italicised? 24 27 June 2005 17:39 (UTC)
- Use "view source" and find out. ☺ Uncle G 27 June 2005 18:24 (UTC)
- Um, yes I know how it's like that. I want to know why. 24 27 June 2005 19:41 (UTC)
- The progress bar looks nice. Gerard Foley 22:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- Halló! I would suggest "never ever use lower case MediaWiki messages". This is against both against "portability of code" principles and against "easy maintainability". Best regards Gangleri | w: Th | T 18:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Can I ask what this "heavy vandalism" is exactly? Gerard Foley 00:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, just that, they don't. Now technically anyone who's logged in securely has probably already read those, but still... Garrett 05:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)