Talk:Άδαμος

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Ἄδαμος

Taking the relatively unusual step of {{rfc}}ing this. It doesn't seem to exist; it gets 66 Google hits, many of which seem to be Wiktionary related, and no Google Book hits. But since I don't know any Greek, I don't want to {{rfv}} it. Perhaps just the first character is wrong. Also, Άδάμ is a redirect to an incredibly similar page title, and I can't work out why one is right, and one isn't. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I can't confirm or deny the existence of Ἄδαμος, but I can clarify Άδάμ and Ἀδάμ. The first one (the redirect) uses U+0386 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH TONOS as its first letter, while the second one (the actual page) uses U+1F08 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI. The one with psili (i.e. the smooth breathing) is correct, because all vowel-initial Ancient Greek words have to have either the smooth breathing or the rough breathing. The one with tonos (i.e. the accent mark) is incorrect, because the second vowel of the word already has a tonos, and Greek words can only have one accent mark (at least in isolation; there are exceptions in running text). I'd say go ahead and delete Άδάμ, which is just flat-out wrong. P.S. Ἄδαμος is a possible word of Greek; if it exists, it's spelled correctly (with both a smooth breathing and an accent on the first vowel). —Angr 16:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

wikisource Greek orthodox Genesis gives Ἀδάμ ( where is Ἀ = a GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI) which agrees with An. Assuming that this "Adam" is the correct one perhaps the other "Adam"s should redirect to it. Cant help with Ἄδαμος. —Saltmarsh^{talk-συζήτηση} 17:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Update: the only Ἄδαμος listed in Liddell & Scott] is a lower-case ἄδαμος, a very rare (possibly hapax) Ionic-dialect adjective meaning "untamed" that has nothing to do with the Adam of the Bible. As far as I can tell from searching e-Sword, Adam is always called Ἀδάμ in both the Septuagint and the New Testament. —Angr 18:23, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

It was created by Alasdair (talk • contribs) who only contributes to given names and surnames, and doesn't speak any Greek. In fact I think he originally created it as Adamos which I deleted because Greek does not use the Latin script. --Mglovesfun (talk) 18:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Okay, having googled around a bit, I've discovered that Ἄδαμος (or Άδαμος as it's spelled nowadays) is a first name used in Modern Greek. See for example, Adamos Adamou, a Greek Cypriot politician, and Adamos Efstathiou, a Greek Cypriot soccer player. The Biblical Adam isn't called that, but other people are. It's sort of like the name "Jeremy" in English - it comes from the Biblical name "Jeremiah", but the Biblical Jeremiah isn't called Jeremy in English. I would recommend calling Ἄδαμος a variant or obsolete spelling of Άδαμος, though, since the breathings aren't used in Modern Greek anymore. —Angr 18:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Moved, leaving the redirect for now. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)