Talk:оба

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This article states:

обе in the nominative or accusative case governs the nominative plural.

Is that really true? Is it really "обе гОры (nom pl.) были..." not "обе горЫ (gen sg.) были", for example? Любопытный англофон 14:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


Yes, "обе гОры" (nom. plural). —Stephen 15:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


Hmm. I don't find any support for this in sources like the various academy grammars or other materials I have lying around. (Unfortunately, I don't have any native speakers nearby that I can ask.) For example, the 1982 Academy grammar states (http://rusgram.narod.ru/1872-1880.html#1878):

При словах два (две), три, четыре (двадцать два, тридцать три и т. д.), оба (обе) в форме им. п. имя в род. п. стоит в форме ед. ч.: два брата, две сестры, три дома, обе подруги, оба друга; исторически это форма утраченного двойственного числа.

And in fact, Zaliznjak (Русское именное словоизменение, М. 1967, pp. 46-48) -- as careful an observer of the Russian language as you are likely to find -- specifically indicates that the same genitive singular form (actually, what he calls the "Счетная форма") is found with две/обе as with два/оба. He even marks a second-syllable accent in the example "обе стены́", presumably to make clear that the second word is not the nominative plural!

So perhaps there is a mistake in the entry for оба here that should be corrected? Любопытный англофон 16:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Having also checked with native speakers (who agree with the printed sources), I have made the change. Любопытный англофон 00:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)