Talk:佢哋

Inflection (AKA head)

@Atitarev Hi,

Should we use {{yue-noun}} or {{zh-noun}} for these kinds of entries that are only found in one dialect of the Chinese language? {{zh-noun}} seems not to be fully developed. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Only zh- and Chinese. This is a pronoun, isn't it? {{zh-pronoun}} is the template for pronouns, since {{zh-pron}} is used for pronunciation. Could you check the tones in the usage example at 佢 (qú), please? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 14:55, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Checked. Shouldn't we delete the Translignual section at 佢 (qú)? --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:02, 5 May 2014 (UTC) kc_kennylau (talk) 15:03, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Would 佢嘅... be also correct?

I would leave it for now. It's not empty and it has a lot of hanzi related info. There's no consensus about them and it has to be decided in the BP or with a vote. Hanzi section was kind of useless. I have deleted Mandarin section with only readings as well. Not sure if it's ever used in Mandarin. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 15:12, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. To form Cantonese possessives, either you use possessor+嘅+possessed or possessor+[measure word]+possessed. To form plural possessives, the measure word becomes 啲, so it's possessor+嘅+possessed or possessor+啲+possessed. For example, 佢嘅鉛筆 = his pencils, 佢支鉛筆 = his pencil (specific), 佢啲鉛筆 = his pencils (specific). Please note that if you use the measure word as the link, the meaning would be specific. --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau Thank you. What's the difference between 佢嘅鉛筆 = his pencils and 佢啲鉛筆 = his pencils (specific)? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Typo there, 佢嘅鉛筆 can also be singular. The possessive adjectives in many languages, unlike English, are not definite unless specified. If we use the measure word as the link, the meaning conveyed would be definite. --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:29, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm a bit lost in your explanations about definiteness and "the link". I'll read a bit more on the subject, though. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@Atitarev I apologize for my unclear explanation. 佢嘅鉛筆=some pencils of his or one pencil of his. 佢支鉛筆=佢嗰支鉛筆=佢嘅嗰支鉛筆=This pencil of his (=his pencil). 佢啲鉛筆=佢嗰啲鉛筆=佢嘅嗰啲鉛筆=These pencils of his (=his pencils). --kc_kennylau (talk) 07:17, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Kenny. I understand now :) --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:37, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem. --kc_kennylau (talk) 07:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Chinese pronouns category?

Why doesn't it belong to Category:Chinese pronouns? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I temporarily disabled Chinese-level categorisations if there is no Mandarin reading present. How should it be sorted if there is no Mandarin pronunciation provided? Using the default pronunciation values, as in the ones {{zh-new}} generates? Wyang (talk) 12:37, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I was gonna ask you. I think they should be a default pinyin sorting. Do all words need pinyin displayed? Like Cantonese 边个? (see there about trad/simp conversion). --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:45, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

It's sorted by its stored pronunciation now. Wyang (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)