Talk:바다

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False cognate[edit]

I do not mean an edit war nor any harm, but restored "False cognate" under "Related terms" as follows:

False Cognate with some translations of water

Whoever would delete it again, please comment on why. Thanks in advance. --KYPark 22:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

These words are not cognate with Korean 바다, and they are not FALSE cognates. They are completely unrelated. Nobody has to point out that 유행가 is not related to English you or English hang or English gaga. Nobody believes they are related, and therefore, by the very definition of false cognate, they CANNOT be false cognates. They are as unrelated as plastic is to stone. They are as unrelated as trees are to lobsters. Before a word can be a false cognate, there must be a widespread misconception that there is a relationship when there is none. With this list of words, there is no such misconception. —Stephen 01:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Our article on false cognate makes no mention of the requirement for widely help misconceptions. It would be nice if you can correct this article and even nicer if you can provide references which agree with your statements above since I don't know either way. — Hippietrail 01:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
It says "word that appears to be cognate". That doesn’t mean that it appears to be cognate by two or three people out of two billion who have strange ideas about alien conspiracies, pyramids, and who have theories about linguistic relationships based on similarities of baby talk. If your definition of false cognate pairs words such as 유행가 (yuhaengga, pop music) and English you and hang, then the definition becomes completely pointless, since it means that virtually every word in every language is suspected of being genetically related to virtually every other language on earth. —Stephen 01:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
You seem to be taking a weirdly extreme angle from my perspective. What do you think about the English dog vs Mbabaram(sp?) dog case? Is that widely held or a conspiracy theory since those seem to be the only two possibilities you're allowing for? — Hippietrail 01:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
That is a perfect example of a false cognate. A significant number of people have been convinced that that English dog and Mbabaram dog are genitically related, either a recent borrowing or from some ancient connection. Conspiracy theories and the other possibility that you didn’t name are hardly an exhaustive list of nutty, extreme and excentric views. Alien-conspiracy theorists are just one example of the far-side interpretation of things that I ignore and exclude when I speak of people’s views. I only worry about reasonble views of the world. I’m sure you have a reasonable view of the world, so you do not need to have me define it for you. —Stephen 03:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Coincidence?[edit]

Bada is also the Swedish word for taking a bath. Smiddle / TC@ 16:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)