Talk:𠂤

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Documentation[edit]

Why is this character so poorly documented, while there are many other characters that are derived from it, such as ? In these characters the left-hand side is often 𠂤, yet the radical is the right-hand side of the character. 71.66.97.228 20:10, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Radical[edit]

What is the radical? 71.66.97.228 20:11, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Related characters?[edit]

Are , , and related to/derived from this character? 71.66.97.228 20:18, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Or are these characters actually derived from (with the line moved to the left), as it says at 追#Etymology? That doesn't seem right because there's a dot at the top of , but no dot in . 71.66.97.228 20:19, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I formatted this character entry, so radical-stroke count should now be given (but correct me if I am wrong!). -- Liliana 20:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Great--how did you find the radical? 71.66.97.228 20:38, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

They're actually given in the Unihan database for all Chinese characters, so no labor is involved. -- Liliana 20:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Etymology at is incorrect. (shī, OC *sri, "troop"), (xuē, OC *sŋed, "a k. of marsh grass"), and (zhuī, OC *tul, "to chase") all derive from 𠂤 (duī, OC *tuːl, "mound") graphically:

  • 師 (ideogrammic) i.e. "troops stationed at a hill"
    • 𠂤 ("mound, hill")
    • ("round")
  • 薛 (*sŋed) (phono-semantic)
    • (semantic, "grass")
    • (*sŋed) (phono-, "crime, guilt", variant of and ) (again phono-semantic)
      • (semantic, "pungent > toilsome")
      • 𡴎 (*ŋed) (phono-, "high and unstable") (probably ideogrammic)
        • from 𠂤 ("mound, hill") and a on top ("grass"? or may be some other object)
  • 追 (*tul) (ideogrammic in oracle bone script and bronze script, phono-semantic in small seal) phono-semantically from:
    • (semantic, "walking, running")
    • 𠂤 (*tuːl) (phono-, "mound")

signifies backbone (as in ), thus is unrelated. Hbrug 21:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Wow, why did someone put that etymology at , then? I guess that should be removed. 71.66.97.228 22:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC)