Talk:-chan

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RFD discussion: October 2021[edit]

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Is it productive in English? ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 17:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC) (edited)[reply]

Keep. --Myrelia (talk) 18:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What is the reason for deletion? It is not obvious to me. Not an English word, not productive, not attested, ...? Vox Sciurorum (talk) 18:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't that be all reasons for WT:RFVN instead of WT:RFDN? --Myrelia (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is far too much insistence on time-wasting process for things that should be shot on sight. But in this case all I see is a little cousin of -san and nothing to be alarmed at. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 18:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As the root of w:4chan and company, that has a separate etymology, as an abbreviation first within Japanese of English borrowing チャンネル (channeru), as used in the name 2chan, itself shortened from w:Futaba Channel. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Then provide the definition. This is in use in English through some derivation. bd2412 T 22:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, no given reason for deletion nor any obvious reason for deletion. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 00:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The RFD has now been amended to ask, "is it productive in English?" I asked a teenage anime fan about it. She said she had heard it used rarely by vloggers. While this wouldn't be citable, there is a chance citable material about anime fandom does show it in use. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 23:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Productive? unfortunately yes, cf. cringe weeb shit like google:"earth-chan" google:"corona-chan". —Suzukaze-c (talk) 03:00, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it is fortunate or unfortunate does not enter into it. Wiktionary includes all the obscenties, all the slurs, and all the cringe, so long as they are words. bd2412 T 05:43, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well of course. I'm just virtue signalling to nobody in particular. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 06:18, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think the def is wrong. It originally said cuteness, but the entry now focuses on politeness. In the English-speaking anime/manga fandom (as opposed to Japanese) I believe the original cuteness definition was better. Equinox ◑ 23:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In Japanese use it is children’s language or, derived from that, hypocoristically cutesy. For example, the main character of Sanrio’s Hello Kitty-verse is addressed as 「キティちゃん」 (Kiti-chan). Its score on the politeness scale is not impressive, and addressing your co-worker that way is not recommended, unless you are eager to express that their cuteness is adorable.  --Lambiam 19:24, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]


RFV discussion: October–November 2021[edit]

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Is it productive? Needs quotes for verification. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 20:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

google:intitle:chan site:knowyourmeme.com —Suzukaze-c (talk) 01:58, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity, is this not the case that these terms were coined in Japanese and then rendered in English through partial calquing? If so, then the productivity of English -chan is questioned, and the individual terms like Coronachan, Earthchan, Jackiechan, etc. need to be created as English entries instead. That is why I had started the discussion at RFD; and as @Equinox said there, the definition itself may not be accurate. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 11:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, sometimes yes but mostly weebs just coin these ad-hoc by just pasting -chan (or -tan or -sama etc.) after any English word at all without needing an actual Japanese etymon to calque or borrow from (but I don't volunteer to try and find durable cites to prove it). — Mnemosientje (t · c) 13:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Even so, "-chan" has an English meaning at least derived from its use to signify a message board, even if the specific origin is uncertain. This is somewhat like -gate. bd2412 T 06:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 18:23, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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