Talk:Spider-Man

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Spider-Man

So what are we looking for? "like spiderman" citations? Polarpanda 23:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Move to RFV. Needs attributive cites. ("A Spider-Man" sounds somewhat possible.) --Yair rand 23:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Kept and sent to RFV.​—msh210 18:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Spidey

He's a fictional character. --Daniel. 16:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Move to RFV. --Yair rand 23:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Move both to RFV. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Keep Spidey at least: how does this not meet WT:CFI? It's a word, a slangy nickname, not a proprietary name or the name of a fictional character. Equinox 23:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
keep Spidey as a slang nickname, most likely coined (or at least popularised) outside the Spiderman universe. At least, as long as we're keeping an entry for Hoff. This sparks me to create an entry for Hef --Rising Sun talk? 00:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Delete. RFV if you really think it's in use independently of Spider-Man, but then at least start us off with a citation. Michael Z. 2010-03-06 19:08 z

Kept and sent to RFV.​—msh210 18:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


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Spider-Man
Spidey

Both were kept at RFD pending verification.​—msh210 18:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Cited Spidey, I think. Equinox 12:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Yep, that's cited as far as I'm concerned. For future reference you got a couple of editors labelled as the authors , and missed that a couple were quoting someone else. Also it's very helpful to have urls, page numbers, isbns, etc. as that makes verification very significantly easier - see the edits I've made. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. WT:CFI reads, in part:
With respect to names of persons or places from fictional universes, they shall not be included unless they are used out of context in an attributive sense.
I think that Spidey falls under that clause, and that the quotations do not demonstrate out-of-context attributive-sense use.
RuakhTALK 13:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that is directly applicable to Spidey - Spider-Man, yes, no question that clause applies. However "Spidey" is not the "name" of the character, it's a diminutive form of the name, derived from the name, but not the name. As far as I know, "Spidey" is not used in the title of any official comics or other media or merchandise in/on which the character appears. As the CFI doesn't explicitly deal with words that are used only to refer to fictional places/characters, but are not themselves fictional places or characters, and it is verified now that the word exists and is used in the sense given in the entry. I'd say send to RfD, but it came here from there, on the grounds that it shouldn't be deleted for being a proprietary name. Given that, a discussion about the general case seems more likely to be fruitful. Thryduulf (talk) 15:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
According to WP, "In the comics, Spider-Man is often referred to as 'Spidey' [] ". Perhaps it's true, as you say, Thryduulf, that the term doesn't appear in the title of a comic, but I don't see that the title is different from the interior (as regards this discussion). If a character is named R. Daneel Olivaw, but called Daneel Olivaw in the book, surely the latter needs to meet the name-of-a-person-from-a-fictional-universe criterion? This is much the same.​—msh210 (talk) 17:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Spider-Man: RFV failed, entry deleted.
Re: Spidey: I believe this should fail, but would prefer that a third party close this if possible. So, I'm adding {{look}}.
RuakhTALK 13:42, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any references to use outside of the comics. The fact that it isn't used in titles does not constitute a significant issue that should be seen as an exception to the CFI quote above. __meco 09:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

It seems that Spidey fails our CFI. We should move the citations to the citations page, though (one day, CFI may allow the entry). — Beobach 07:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

RFV failed.​—msh210 (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Both restored with additional citations. DAVilla 03:14, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Spider-Man was really difficult to cite, but not for lack of citations. There are so many books on the subject that all search results on Google Books have this in the title up until Google gives up on providing any more results. I had to explicitly search for books without Spider-Man in the title, and even then skip the first few pages of results that directly discussed the comic book character, even while filtering out for keywords like Marvel and comics. Someone please explain to me, how the flying frack is this not clearly widespread use? DAVilla 03:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I would be fine with deleting this, since there are no links on Citations:Spider-Man, so I can only assume that the citations are from contexts that explain exactly what Spider-Man is. I've learned to be suspicious of claims that a cite satisfies WT:FICTION. (Actually, to be honest, I've checked, and the first citation is from a book that repeatedly talks about Spider-Man. For some reason, the citation is from the twentieth Spider-Man–mentioning page. So, clearly invalid. The second and third citations are also invalid IMHO, in that they don't seem to be attributive: they're referring to people in Spider-Man costumes. But I would be very fine with a presumption that cites don't count toward WT:FICTION unless they've got links, and those links point to plenty of context.) —RuakhTALK 02:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

RFV failed, entries deleted. —RuakhTALK 00:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)