Talk:again

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September 2008[edit]

Waitwaitwait... this entry gives /əˈgeɪn/ as the Received Pronunciation of this word. Well, as far as I know, even in purest RP this pronunciation is very old-fashioned and formal... at least I learnt British English at school and I never was taught to say /@geIn/, except in poetry. Caesarion 02:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

YouTube language course at about 6:25 there's an 'again' pronounced so. Otherwise, I think RP often differs from what people normally say. I asked something similar about dance. Since that, I've been to England, I partook a language course, lived with families and I had to realise that no one says /dɑːns/ but /dæns/ apart from our RP speaker native teachers. Ferike333 08:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, unless you're in the south-east of England, that is. /dɑːns/ is normal in London but not in Manchester, Birmingham etc. 92.27.214.225 05:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

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Rfv-sense: "Another time; once more."

These seem like two definitions to me, but not to, for example, MWOnline. "Another time" seems neutral about the direction one goes in time from one event to another. "Once more" is not.

I am challenging the time-direction-neutral sense. That is, has it ever been valid to say, in English, something like "It happened on his twelfth birthday and again on this eleventh."? DCDuring TALK 14:16, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Most people would interpret this as two ways of saying the same thing, with no question of direction-neutrality. It looks to me like possibly justification for tightening up the wording, not for a wild-goose chase for usage to back up an interpretation that probably wouldn't have occurred to whoever added the sense. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm never that confident about older meanings of the word, which might be involved here. The entry was worked on extensively by Widsith, who has a great interest in older usage and specifically reworded one sense to read "(obsolete) Back in the reverse direction, or to an original starting point. (10th-18th c.)", with a usage example: "The South will rise again.", which I have always read as "once more, in the future" rather than "to an original starting point". I am allowing that there might be a good reason for his choices. DCDuring TALK 16:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Well the point is not that the South rose once in the past and is going to do so a second time. The point is that the South was once already prominent in the past and is going to rise (for the first time) to reach the same position it had before. Admittedly it's not the clearest example -- I only really stuck that phrase in as a placeholder until some good printed citations were found. Ƿidsiþ 07:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Re: "'Another time' seems neutral about the direction one goes in time from one event to another": No, I don't think so. Granted, "another" does have a directionally neutral sense (meaning roughly "a different"; our sense 2), but it also has a forward-specific sense (meaning roughly "an additional", "a subsequent"; our sense 1), and given the rest of the definition, which (as you note) is not ambiguous, it's clear that the latter sense was intended. So, I agree with Chuck Entz. —RuakhTALK 08:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

On the sense in question, I submit that it's clearly widespread use. I don't think you need to prove that it's "time-direction-neutral" for the glosses given to be accurate. Ƿidsiþ 07:51, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Withdrawn. DCDuring TALK 11:09, 5 November 2013 (UTC)