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RFV discussion January 2011[edit]

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Rfv-sense: Indian mulberry. (All the other senses are at RFD already.)

No apparent hits on b.g.c, and Wikipedia doesn't know about this either, which looks very suspicious. -- Prince Kassad 13:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Al and als are valid Scrabble words. So other dictionaries must have at least one noun sense for this. And searching for any two letter term (for a specific meaning) is an absolute nightmare. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
The Scrabble-valid sense is an alt spelling of aal, which is this same mulberry tree. As MG says, that means that a dictionary used in Scrabble validity (Collins, Chambers?) has an entry. Whether it's attestable is another matter. Equinox 18:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
It's not in Chamber's, which is usually the Scrabble bible. Not in the OED either. Ƿidsiþ 19:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Chambers isn't the Scrabble word source any more (since about 2007). AFAIK it's now Collins. Anyone got a copy? Equinox 19:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
The OED has aal but not al. Do scrabble players make up words and rare variant spellings? Dbfirs 20:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
google books:"al" "aal" mulberry pulls up interesting secondary sources, from which I learn that al is "Hindi" whereas aal is "Bombay (including Guzrathi and Mahrathi)", and that crossword-puzzlers love it as much as Scrabblers do. Few mentions treat it as really English, but rather, merely as an English rendering of the Hindi. —RuakhTALK 16:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Here are some actual uses, finally. And here's one more. —RuakhTALK 16:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Second link doesn't work for me, but the first one italicises the term, suggesting the author didn't consider it to have entered English. Update: I've just noticed that you already said that. But I am always hesitant to use italics as citations in Wikt. Equinox 17:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Cited, I think. Take a look: Citations:al. Note especially the 1872, 1881, 1917, and 1936 examples, which use italics for other words and thus clearly could have italicised ‘al’ had they wanted to. - -sche (discuss) 18:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
There is no evidence that al is ever used as a true adjective, so all the evidence supports the attributive usage being of a noun and, as you say, it is sometimes used other than in italics or in quotes. It looks good to me. DCDuring TALK 21:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


RFD[edit]

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al

The senses:

  • assembly language.
  • artificial life.
  • (networking) country code for Albania.
  • other things.
  • other persons.
  • autograph letter.

are all bad caps or otherwise at the wrong lemma. -- Prince Kassad 13:29, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I suppose other persons or things would be al. as in et al. Dunno if al. is ever used without the et - probably. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
BTW see Wiktionary:Entry titles which I recently created to clear up this sort of issue. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

resolved under the RFC request which someone helpfully made. -- Liliana 20:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Chaucer[edit]

My concern is with the other obsolete meaning of 'al' as a conjunction. The only attestation given is from Chaucer and that is Middle English (i.e. a different language under ISO639: enm, not en(g).) Shouldn't there be a quotation from post 1500 to justify this entry, c.q. shouldn't this entry be made into a Middle English item? Jcwf (talk) 01:28, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

There should be. (There are those who feel that Wiktionary should not distinguish Middle English from Modern English, but as long as it does, post-1500 citations are needed.) I've opened a Request for Verification. - -sche (discuss) 03:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

RfV discussion January 2013[edit]

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RFV of the conjunction. Is it attested in modern English (and I use "modern" very loosely: "post-1500")? - -sche (discuss) 03:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Hard to search for. This needs the OED or an EME corpus. DCDuring TALK 15:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
And a corpus with powerful search that doesn't treat al as a stopword. DCDuring TALK 16:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Failed. — Ungoliant (Falai) 06:18, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


Arabic definite article Romanization[edit]

I'm willing to bet a large portion of our English speaking readers come to this page looking for the meaning of al as in Al Qaeda etc. I noticed it isn't mentioned or linked to anywhere here, nor at al- (pardon me, I see it is actually linked there as a see also hatnote). I've read Wiktionary:About Arabic and sort of understand why. However I still think we're doing them a disservice by not at least pointing them in the right direction.. perhaps a see also link or sisterlink to w:en:Arabic definite article? -- OlEnglish (Talk) 09:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)