Talk:give hostage to fortune

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Obsolete?[edit]

That idiom is not obsolete at all...I have come across it in the Guardian many times, and recently again in a book by John Updike...zigzig20s 14:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Did it include "give"? [1] ? Kappa 15:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes it does include give...Actually if u add an 's' at the end of 'hostage' in your search, there is one result...It is odd that there's only one though - I don't think it's that uncommon.zigzig20s 18:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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give hostage to fortune

Shakespearean? --Connel MacKenzie 05:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

2nd cite now added.

  1. 2001 -- John O'Donoghue TD, Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Parliamentary Debates (Dáil and Seanad)
    "I hope the other report will be completed at a very early date, but to put a timescale on it would be to give hostage to fortune and I am not prepared to do that".

--Dmol 20:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

635 b.g.c. hits for hostage to fortune which I've heard frequently, but only 5 (only 3 independent) for give hostage to fortune. I agree with Kappa. --Enginear 22:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
How many hits for gave hostage to fortune? given hostage to fortune? --EncycloPetey 19:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
A few more, and more still for gave a and given a, but still not as many as for is a or was a. --Enginear 22:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. I don't think give + hostage to fortune is sum-of-parts. Edit: and what is be taken + hostage to fortune? DAVilla 09:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
We need one more citation then... Kappa 09:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I found one more. -- Beobach972 00:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

RFV passed, I guess. Does anyone dispute that they're independent? Is this Irish or something? DAVilla 13:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)