Talk:glory

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Entry says "Etymology. ....Latin...(Glory...)...". So that's basically Glory, derived from Glory. Could someone change that to something more meaningful?

The OED has it down as originally meaning 'boasting', in early Middle English. And several Latin dictionaries give the same explanation, adding that it was often used as an insult.

Compare 'vainglory', which means 'futile boasting', not 'narcissistic beauty'. —This unsigned comment was added by Anthony on Stilts (talkcontribs) at 21:24, 8 May 2009.

This is a wiki, you can fix things yourself (seeing as you seem to know the most about them). You could either add these meanings to the chain of Etymology that already exists, or create entries for the ==Middle English== word, and ensure that it is linked to. Conrad.Irwin 09:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The point of having "glory" as a gloss in the etymology is that much of the meaning of glory hasn't changed in 2,000+ years. What seems to have happened is that the "boasting" secondary meaning in Latin diminished, possibly influenced by Christian liturgical use, and required the adjective vana and its descendants to distinguish bad glory from good. DCDuring TALK 11:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Latin etymology[edit]

Gloria is connected to celestia (the heavenly blue firmament, see caelureus),because the 'c' is quite similar to the letter 'g,' and because the letter 'r' quite frequently became an 's' in Old Latin.

An argument can also be made that celestia is related to the Late Latin ecclesia. There is no connection to the Latin verb claudo (past participle clausus). 216.99.201.172 19:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, but foundless, speculation. Latin ecclesia is borrowed from the Greek. Latin caelestia comes from caelum, which is from a different PIE root altogether from gloria. --EncycloPetey 20:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Sense 5[edit]

I defined sense 5 as "victory; success". Is that correct?