Talk:rhyme

"rime" as used in linguistics is a different word. I've read about it several times but don't have a reference with me now. It was coined specifically to invoke the thought of the word "rhyme".

"rime" may also be used as a rap/hiphop alternative spelling of "rhyme", but if so, this is a homonym which warrants its own sense. — Hippietrail 07:34, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hmm I've just read that "rime" is a variant of "rhyme", and probably in both senses. However, some linguists also use the two spellings for the two different senses and this should be reflected in the article. No linguist would ever use "rime" in the poetry sense and "rhyme" in the linguistic sense, but many do use the opposite as I've written. Natural language is fascinating as ever (: — Hippietrail 07:42, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

"Rime" is an older variant of "rhyme". I don't know whether it is current or in which senses it is used. We need to check some references. "Rime" is also a synonym for "hoar frost". -- Paul G 08:34, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I take that back - ccording to http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/feature/wf231002.shtml, "rime" and "hoar frost" are different things. -- Paul G 08:38, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

"Rime" in the linguistics sense is used (though not defined) on Wikipedia: w:Wade-Giles, w:Kangxi_Dictionary, w:Guangyun, w:Tongyong Pinyin, w:Gwoyeu Romatzyh, w:Duan Yucai. It is used and defined in this article: w:Rime_tables. There are good definitions here and here.

Prescriptively, maybe rhyme and rime are separate in this sense, but in my experience this distinction isn't upheld. I trawled through the archives of a mailing list I used to be on to find occurrences of rhyme meaning "not the onset" and came up with: (.us: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9], .uk: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14][15] [16] [17], .se: [18], ru: [19], .fr: [20] [21], .es: [22], .ie: [23], unknown location: [24])

The reverse search, for occurrences of rime found it in use as "not the onset" (.us: [25] [26] [27] [28], .se: [29] [30] [31], .de: [32], .uk: [33] [34] [35] [36], .ru: [37], .is: [38]), the archaic spelling of "rhyme" in a quote from Milton ([39] [40]), and actually one occurence of "ice": [41].

For both together I found uk: [42], which appears to explicitly equate them. Some posters appear to have used both terms interchangeably (at least one of them, Elzinga, certainly is a linguist).

A SIL reference to "rhyme" as "nucleus and coda": What is a Syllable? (This is from the same page that defined "rime" as meaning the same thing, so I think that's a good argument that they're alternative spellings of the same word.) —Muke Tever 16:44, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

stave rhyme

This should be expanded to cover stave rhyme. (I will do this soon if I have time.) - -sche (discuss) 08:48, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

other cleanup

"The fact of rhyming" doesn't seem an adequate definition of the sense the sentence beneath it uses. - -sche (discuss) 08:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Why is it written with the digraph "rh"?

Influenced by rhythm? 129.78.32.24 02:57, 7 January 2013 (UTC)