Talk:sınalgı

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This word is used by some Turkish speakers (you can search by any search engine and see the results). It is listed also in some other dictionaries. (for example http://ingilizce.g3n.in/index.php?soz=television) --85.102.140.81 16:16, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

That dictionary is full of invented words. Google shows mentions, not uses. Google books gives no results. -- Curious (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Some other dictionaries (such as TurEng) contain this word. --88.238.132.15 22:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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sınalgı

- -sche (discuss) 16:57, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I think someone may come here and write "every single Google search result was written by our IP user, he is a spammer bla bla". Can you delete that entry without waiting for this? --88.238.184.199 01:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

There is 1 Google Books result, some dictionaries (which are not open ones) contain this word (e.g. TurEng and Gurafe), there are some forum posts dated 2011 contain this word (that means, it has been being used for more than 1 year). --85.102.151.232 00:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Citations. You need 3 for Turkish.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:11, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Some Google search results:


Çağalar ma sınalgı: The infants and the television (10/27/2011)
Uyduyu sınalgı yerine monitöre bağlamak mümkün mü? Is it possible to connect the satellite to a monitor instead of a television? (10/24/2011)
Sınalgı hırsızlığına gözaltı Custody for stealing television. (10/28/2011)
Sınalgı (TV) kartı olmadan video Video without TV card (10/24/2011)
Lifeview TVR Sınalgı programı (Türkçe yama) Lifeview TVR Television programme (Turkish patch) See the screenshot: [1]

All these forums and download websites have moderation. So, why the moderators (or admins) did not remove these topics? And many dictionaries contain this word (TurEng, kurgun, gurafe, g3n.in, e-okulum.org, and some others.) and these dictionaries are not open for editing like wiktionary. --85.102.182.123 11:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Interesting but not relevant. As you say those forums are moderate so not durably archived (it is possible to remove material) and dictionaries aren't primary sources. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Failed, zero citations provided. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

These books contain this word:
1-Prof. Dr. Mahmud Esad Coşan Külliyâtı. (author: Prof. Dr. Mahmud Esad Coşan)
2-Gökkonuksal Avrat: Türkçenin Türkçesi (author: Arslan Tekin)
3-Yazışmalık 2007-2012 (author: Gökbey Uluç)

I guess, this word was used by Prof. Dr. Ahmet Ercan for the first time in Turkey but with a different form = 'sanalgı'. You may find this form in some newspapers [2]. But the form 'sınalgı' may be found on the net more commonly. --Nɯ ʞoʎ ǝsɯıʞ (talk) 21:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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sınalgı[edit]

sanalgı[edit]

sınalgı failed RFV a few months ago but has been recreated as an alternative form of sanalgı, which I would hazard a guess is the same kind of protologism, except that Citations:sanalgı exists. I can't tell if it has valid citations, though... input from Turkish speakers would be appreciated. Someone might also like to take a look at haydayıcı. - -sche (discuss) 03:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

The citations for sanalgı may be considered as valid citations since they are published on news-papers. --2A01:7E00:0:0:F03C:91FF:FEDB:20AA 10:35, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

"Kazakistan Türkçesinde gàlibâ ünalgı ve sınalgı diye kelimeler varmış." Prof. Dr. Esad Coşan Külliyâtı (this refers to a radio program which broadcasted in 30 July 1999 on Akra FM)

"Bakın Kırgızistan da televizyon yerine “sınalgı” telefon yerine ünalgı kullanılıyor." Gökkonutsal Avrat by Arslan Tekin.

Google Books search displays another result Kelimeler ve şeyler: insan bilimlerinin bir arkeolojisi by Michael Foucault but there is no preview. --88.251.43.88 20:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

As to haydayıcı
"Elinde uzun kamçı bulunan haydayıcı ön sıradaki atın kulağı dibinde kırbacını ..." İstanbul'da Tramvay - Tramvayların Tarihi by Fehime Tunalı Çalışkan and Zikrullah Kırmızı (1998)
"takırtıları, nal sesleri, kırbaç şaklamaları, haydayıcıların çığlıkları, emir erlerinin, askerlerin, subayların küfürleri geliyordu" Harp ve Sulh (L. Tolstoy's War and Peace volume: 1, translated by Zeki Baştımar and published by Turkish National Education Ministry)
There is a Google result from Cumhuriyet newspaper which published in 20 June 1939 (page: 8) and there is a crossword question as "hayvan haydayıcı". ----88.251.43.88 20:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Why sınalgı was deleted again? Who decided this? --88.251.29.98 11:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

You can read can't you? Why are you asking. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:38, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

But there are citations here and there is no comment. This place is not community-directed? --88.251.29.98 12:20, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. I forgot about the rfv and deleted out of process. Someone had attempted to tag it for speedy deletion using the wrong template, both of the Google Books results that were visible looked like mentions, so I deleted it. It's not enough to have someone talking about using the Kirghiz word instead of the Turkish one- you have to show someone actually using the word as Turkish. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:35, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Bu tür sınalgı dizilerini izleyen bazı öğrenciler gördükleri şeylerden etkilenebiliyorlar. (User comment on Hürriyet News-paper Website [domain registered: 1996] 02-12-2013)

Aslında benim de dikkatimi çekiyor, sınalgı dizilerinde falan markaların üstleri kapatılırken bu sitelerin adları programlarda açıkça yazılıyor. (User comment on Sabah News-paper Website [domain registered: 1996] 03-12-2013)

Muhalif sınalgı kanalları da başbakanın bazı açıklamalarını veya Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu'na karşı yapılan protestoları göstermeyebiliyor. (User comment on Hakimiyet-i Milliye News-paper Website [domain registered: 2003] 10-1-2013)

Toplumsal Basın-Yayın, Kitle İletişim Araçları, Yeni Basın-Yayın, ünalgı (radyo) ve sınalgı (tv) eğitimi aldılar. Source İsmail Köseömer, "TÜMEP İzlencesi tam ivinti devam ediyor" HaberBG (a news website: 12-11-2013)

Since Sabah, Hürriyet and Hakimiyetimilliye news-papers' websites are aged enough they may be considered as valid citations. --2A01:7E00:0:0:F03C:91FF:FEDB:20AA 10:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

What's the deal with these two entries? They were deleted/restored multiple times. If deleting, there should be something in the talk pages. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
There was nothing in the entry to indicate that it was being discussed in RFV, so the natural assumption would be that someone was improperly re-adding an entry that had failed rfv- deletion of which wouldn't require any documentation on the talk page. The entry was restored as soon as it was pointed out that it was being discussed in RFV. Now that it has an rfv template, that shouldn't happen again. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

There is a sentence which is almost like an internet meme: İnternette takılmak varken siz hâlâ sınalgı mı izliyorsunuz? (900+ search results on Google) --88.251.14.102 19:30, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

If you use quotation marks ("İnternette takılmak varken siz hâlâ sınalgı mı izliyorsunuz?") there are more than 6800 results. Some websites contain this word (not in user comments) such as: Bu kanal numarasını kullanarak, yalnızca kanal listesinde konumlarından bağımsız sınalgı kanalları arasında geçiş yapmak amacıyla [...] and İki üç gün içerisinde gazete kitap okuyabilecek ve sınalgı izleyebilecek duruma gelirsiniz. There is also a poem which contains this word:

bir bahar akşamı rastgeldim ona
dokuza kadar sohbet ettik
sekiz yaşındaydık o zaman
saman kağıdına mektup yazardım

yedi yıl geçti aradan
oradan taşındık kaybettim onu
altı üstü bir arkadaş

beşiktaş iskelesinin orada
dört saat düşünmeye daldım
üçkağıtçı biri gelip
iki bin lira istedi benden
neden deden benden bir beden
küçük giyerdi bilmem neden

eve gittim başladım sınalgı izlemeye
algılayamadığım şeyler vardı
o boyunda o kolye ne de dardı
durdu kitap kurdu kemirmedi kitabı
--2001:A98:C060:80:B523:5CFF:6314:2E22 06:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

No need to provide long citations like this. I've heard now that Usenet quotations count as valid. Are there any in Usenet? "sınalgı" in Google only appears three times but only as a mention, not a use (Turkish has inflections, so it may appear in an inflected form, though). --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 06:48, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I think, according to the attestation criteria, it is important that the citations are archived durably. The news-papers' websites above have been archived for over many years and they might be considered as valid citations. --2001:A98:C060:80:B523:5CFF:6314:2E22 09:08, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I propose this RFV be closed as failed; if you agree, please do the closure in boldface etc. I searched for "eve gittim başladım sınalgı izlemeye" mentioned above and found it at http://turkcesivarken.com/yazismalik/index.php?topic=1178.255, which I do not believe is permanently recorded media. As per common practice, the only thing considered permanently recorded media are printed things (often found at Google Books) and Usenet, anyway. The would-be citations are also available at Citations:sınalgı and Citations:sanalgı, marked there as "not durably archived" per my assessment. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I share Dan's assessment and have deleted both entries as RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 18:52, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

  • (not durably archived) "Bakın Kırgızistan da televizyon yerine “sınalgı” telefon yerine ünalgı kullanılıyor." Gökkonutsal Avrat by Arslan Tekin. This citation is from Google Books and it is not durably archived? --88.251.163.12 13:30, 6 September 2014 (UTC)