Talk:tip

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Is there any reference for the "tipple" origin for the sense of gratuity? First I've heard of that one.

More etymologies (proposal to add)[edit]

I'd like to add the following etymologies (simplified/condensed and in Wikipedia format, of course) which will mean splitting the meanings up.

Etymology 1 NOUN ca. 1225: "end, point, top" from M.L.G. or M.Du. tip "utmost point, extremity, tip" (cf. Ger. zipfel, a dim. formation); perhaps cognate with O.E. tæppa "stopper" (see tap (n.)), from P.Gmc. *tupp- "upper extremity."

Etymology 2 VERB ca. 1300: "to slope, overturn" possibly from Scand., or a special use of tip (n.). Intransitive sense of "fall over" is recorded from 1530.

Etymology 3 NOUN & VERB ca. 1466: "light, sharp blow or tap" possibly from Low Ger. tippen "to poke, touch lightly", related to M.L.G. tip "end, point" and thus connected to tip (n.); or else connected with tap (v.) "to strike lightly." The noun in this sense [i.e. a light blow or tap] is attested from 1567.

Etymology 4 VERB & NOUN 1610: "give a small present of money to" "to give, hand, pass", originally thieves' cant (slang), perhaps from tip (Etym 3) "to tap". The meaning "give a gratuity to" is first attested 1706. The noun in this sense is from 1755; the meaning "piece of confidential information" is from 1845; the verb in this sense is from 1883; tipster first recorded 1862.

Any objections?--Tyranny Sue 12:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

My dictionary adds:
E1: O.N. typpa, to tip; Du, Norw, Dan, tip
E2: M.E. type (origin obscure)
E3: cognates Du tippen, Sw tippa
E4: nothing to add
Pingku 17:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Arg - complicated! :) --Tyranny Sue 13:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
  • OK, I've given it a good go in terms of splitting out the etymologies. Ƿidsiþ 14:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Nice work, Ƿidsiþ! I was too intimidated to try. I'd like to add some quotations, especially to Etym 5. (I wonder if the 'dump' meaning might've come from Etym 2?)--Tyranny Sue 02:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

AAVE usage[edit]

Can we add the AAVE slang usage of "tip"--I'm not exactly sure of the meaning, but it's used as in "on the ... tip."

Example #1 at this source gives two examples of such a usage: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tip

24.29.228.33 06:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I can't figure out what it means, but I'm adding citations to Citations:tip. DCDuring TALK 15:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Is it like being on a kick or trip, a sort of informal phase? I first heard of this in the title of a rave track in the early '90s: On A Ragga Tip. Equinox 15:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
That fits three of the cites, but not 2011 and 2002. They all seem to me to have some common sense. I might even be able to use the expression almost correctly, but I can't quite word it. DCDuring TALK 15:52, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
2011 and 2002 could work with "front". Equinox 15:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Yup. I think you may have a handle on it. It seems to need at least two senses. The fit doesn't seem perfect at the 1999 cite, but I can hardly figure that one out at all. DCDuring TALK 17:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I have added a new ety (I can't see which existing one it might fit) with two senses and a link to the citations page. It'll do for now. Equinox 22:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC)