Talk:tired

I don't really agree with definition 1

I think the words "tired" and "sleepy" are not necessary synonyms. If you look at the definition in other dictionaries or sites, you will find the following:

• From Babylon (http://www.babylon.com/definition/All_in/English): "fatigued, dead-tired, exhausted (Informal)"

• From Wikipedia, not Wiktionary, where it is synonym of fatigue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_(medical)): "It is ubiquitous in everyday life, but usually becomes particularly noticeable during heavy exercise. Mental fatigue, on the other hand, rather manifests in somnolence."

• From Wordnet (wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn): "depleted of strength or energy;"

In this case, sleepiness is just one manifestation of being tired and one can be sleepy without being tired (when taking a pill, for example). Having said that, I pose two questions:

1. Do you agree? Please, give your reasoning;
2. If yes, what would be the best way to change this entry?

--Rick

Tired is first and foremost "sleepy." To suggest otherwise is folly...that's how the word is almost always used. You could supplement the first definition, but to change it would be quite incorrect. Adding two example sentences that reflect the different ways the word can be used would be OK. Book citations would be better, but might not illustrate the distinction you suggest, very well. --Connel MacKenzie 06:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

So you are saying that the sources I quoted here are foolishly mistaken? Also, if you search books for the word tired (http://books.google.com/books?sourceid=gd&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2007-38,GGLD:en&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&q=tired&sa=N&tab=xp), you get more references towards the definitions I'm quoting. And as a final note, words in other languages linked to 'tired' (I checked Portuguese and Spanish) also imply the same definition. How can you so surely affirm that "tired" is used almost always in the sense of being "sleepy"? Do you have any statistical data to support that? --Rick 07:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)