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German Ur-[edit]

it is pointless to distinguish Ur- vs. ur- in German, since this is merely an artefact of modern orthography, capitalizing the same suffix if it forms nouns, and leaving it uncapitalized if it forms adjectives (such as urtümlich). Both variants are the same suffix and both are equally modern German. -- 13:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

You are right. See Wiktionary:Requests for moves, mergers and splits#Ur-. I have moved Ur- to ur-. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 04:08, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
As far as I know, ur- as meaning very is very typically Viennese, used even in youth slang as in urcool. An exception is uralt, which can be glossed as primordially old. Ur used for emphasis is one of the first peculiarities that struck me when I moved from Bavaria to Vienna. Though Bavarian and Viennese dialects are pretty close and mutually intelligible, I had never heard urcool etc. before. Curryfranke (talk) 12:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

RFM discussion[edit]


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This can also be used with adjectives, such as uralt. Should it be split up, as the two senses currently suggest? -- Liliana 13:09, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Split? In what way? Surely a prefix is just that - a prefix can be used with different POS, as necessary - it's still a prefix. —Saltmarshtalk-συζήτηση 13:47, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Ya, but it is currently capitalized, and I believe it should be split up into capital Ur- (for the noun sense) and small ur- (for the adjective sense). -- Liliana 13:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
I missed that - yes I think it should be split —Saltmarshtalk-συζήτηση 16:11, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
I would prefer it if prefixes are never capitalised. We don't indicate whether prefixes are for a specific part of speech in any other language either (although I would be in favour). —CodeCat 17:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Right, I would move it to ur-; I agree with CodeCat. Consider that we would need uppercase versions for many more German prefixes and combining forms if we wanted to distinguish lower- and uppercase: aus- (ausgehen), Aus- (Ausland); Groß- (Großdeutschland), groß- (großdeutsch); etc. I wouldn't analyse Urheimat as Ur- + heimat(!), I would analyse it as ur- + Heimat + (rule that the first letter of a noun is capitalised, and not other letters). - -sche (discuss) 18:33, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Idem for Neo- and Astro-, and Category:German prefixes will be clean. JackPotte 08:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Lowercase only, please. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Right, German prefix entries should never be capitalized. You capitalize a German word if it is a noun, and you don’t if it is an adjective, whether it has a prefix or not. Prefixes have nothing to do with capitalization. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 09:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
The same would go for any of the prefixes from Latin or Ancient Greek for that matter: hypo-, hyper-, para-, ana-, syn-, bi-, di-, tri-, tetra-, quadri-, &c. --BiblbroX дискашн 22:49, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
By that, do you mean German prefixes of Greek or Latin origin? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually I'm not sure if it stands for all of the prefixes, but I'm quite certain that it is for most or at least many. And yes, I mean prefixes of both origins: Bisexualität and Parapsychologie. --BiblbroX дискашн 11:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I have cleaned Category:German prefixes according to our conclusion that they must not be capitalized. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 04:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Striking, I will add something to WT:ADE if nothing is there on the subject. --Mglovesfun (talk) 10:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)