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Status: Active. (e) Archives: 1 (10/05 - 06/06); 2 (07/06 - 9/15/06); 3 (9/15/06 - 3/12/07); 4 (3/12/07 - 6/28/07); 5 (6/29/07 - 12/31/07); 6 (1/08 - 8/08); 7 (9/08 - 12/09); 8 (12/09-12/11)

Wikipedia concord?[edit]

I'll look into your suggestion to do a concordance of the wikipedia. The problem is that the wikipedia is BIG (a whole lot of data, downloading it and unzipping it take space and processign it takes a lot of processing). The other problem is that the wikipedia contains a lot of proper nouns. I'll keep thinking about it. RJFJR 03:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Pandeist, Polytheist[edit]

Ummm... I don't think that either of these words means atheist (belief that there is no god), but rather "all god". The English terms are pantheist and polytheist. --EncycloPetey 04:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Cut and paste errors. Actually, Pantheist = pantheist and Pandeist = pandeist, as in pandeism, which, along with panentheism, panendeism, and polydeism is one of a bunch of new variations on the theme to come down the pike in the last century - though they're all still babies compared to pantheism and deism, each being about 300 years old. bd2412 T 05:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but are you talking about the words or the concepts? (Just thought I'd say hi with a needle!) <g> Cheers here! // FrankB 03:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, what is up, my friend! Not enough space here to talk about the origins of these words/concepts... think that's covered for most of them on the 'pedia, anyhow. Good to see you here, tho. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


What is the year of the translation you used? It's necessary to complete the quotation. Thanks --Rklawton 04:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. bd2412 T 00:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


I made the template to allow me to see how many Wonderfool sockpuppets there are. Geo.plrd 00:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Understandable reason, but please don't feed the troll! You can raise your concerns on the RfD page. Cheers! bd2412 T 00:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


Could you please have all those edits marked MINOR? Pretty please? Sugar on top? --Connel MacKenzie 06:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. Cheers! bd2412 T 06:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Much obliged, thank you! --Connel MacKenzie 06:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Han characters[edit]

Before you do too much work on these you should be aware of something. I did some work figuring out how to clean them up, and stopped for the same reason.

All 17,791 of the Han character entries were made by User:Nanshu with NanshuBot. The source was (primarily) the Unihan Database, which is proprietary copyright material owned by Unicode, Inc. No, he did not have permission.

I haven't brought this up in (e.g.) Beer Parlour because it would probably generate more heat than light. The Wikimedia Foundation and their corporate counsel are looking into this; I suggested to them that they see if they can come to an arrangement with Unicode. This may be very difficult, since even using it with their permission, anyone could then use the data from here freely. (And it is most of the Unihan database! not to mention 10% of the en.wikt)

There is a real possibility that one day soon the 17,791 entries might have to be stripped out of the DB all at once. Along with derived entries not from other sources. (A lot of things like bǎng particularily Japanese On and Kun readings in hiragana seem to have been generated from the NanshuBot entries.)

I know, ouch! Robert Ullmann 12:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

By odd coincidence, I happen to be an intellectual property attorney - I would have to see the original work (including the layout and information provided in this database of which you speak), but it should have no bearing on the presence of 1,380 or so articles on the Pinyin notations, as those could be derived from any source. Writing a dictionary does not grant the author ownership of the words therein; the author only owns such matters that require creative thought, such as the arrangement of information and the text of definitions. We can escape any hint of impropriety by establishing our own arrangement, adding our own unique features, and putting definitions in our own words. In other words, rather than bot-stripping the entries, we need to bot-rework the entries. Cheers! bd2412 T 12:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The database is found at if you are interested. (I'm sure you are ;-) Robert Ullmann 15:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, there is some language in the "terms of use" that raises my eyebrow... bd2412 T 15:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, I had a similar (but less informed ;-) reaction. General counsel is Brad Patrick, contact on the Wikipedia team is Wayne Saewyc. Robert Ullmann 12:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I say![edit]

It would appear that we both have our fingers in a number of pies! -PullUpYourSocks 00:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


Please don't use {{en-plural}}. It was supposed to have been deleted a long, long time ago. See User talk:Connel MacKenzie/archive-2006-05#Templates. Thanks. --Connel MacKenzie 20:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

(sigh) No one tells me these things - I'll fix 'em all up to the old plural template, then. How hard can it possibly be? bd2412 T 20:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I can run python -ref:template:en-prespart "{{en-prespart" "{{subst:en-prespart" if you'ld like. --Connel MacKenzie 23:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Nah, I can AWB it when I get home... there are not that many. My mess, I'll clean it up. There are templates on Wikipedia that will not let you use them unless you subst them, perhaps we should set these up likewise. bd2412 T 23:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't want to see people getting in the habit of subst:ing templates. The would add fuel to the flamewar currently in progress on WT:BP. (That, despite the fact that inflection templates are never to be subst:'ed, certain people may misconstrue the ability with intent.) It is better if we say that the rule of thumb on en.wikt: is to not ever subst: templates. There are five exceptions that I know of (the three welcome templates, and two others that soon may not have to be subst'ed either.) When you are done AWBing these, we can find the "Do not use this deprecated template" message from wherever it is hiding. --Connel MacKenzie 23:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps just redirect to {{deprecated}}.  :-)   --Connel MacKenzie 23:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Can't say I agree with that - subst'ing a template like the en-prespart template I just knocked out is a timesaver... it's a tool, and like all tools, properly used it does good. I will disclose that I intend to use Template:Pinyin-n until all 1,370 or so pinyin-number definitions are done and then subst it in precisely because I worry that someone will propose a change, or two or three, and it will be much easier to tweak the look in the template first! bd2412 T 03:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I recommend you read the three-part flamewar about User:TheCheatBot, and the decision to have it regex change BACK all subst:'d templates to just the plain template. And that was *after* the 6th or 7th bot approval phase! --Connel MacKenzie 03:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


I like what you are doing with AWB. But en.wiktionary hasn't discussed AWB use in general, yet. Rather than me raising the topic, could you present your experiences with the tool on WT:BP, while asking if we should adopt Wikipedia's policy of blanket-blocking uses of it (if not previously approved as a bot task) or some modified version of that policy?

I think because you are a trusted user, your flagrant use of it has not raised any red flags. But I'd like to see it sanctioned as a viable tool (almost equal in speed to pywikipediabot, and very, very similar in functionality) before someone comes along and suggests you should have a three to twelve week approval process before each particular use of it.

Thanks in advance, --Connel MacKenzie 03:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Just for reference, pywikipediabot has by default, a preview of changes before saving each edit as well (turned off for category renames, interwikis and maybe one other function.) So, they do seem to be more similar than I thought at first. --Connel MacKenzie 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
In the same vein, I hadn't realized that AWB had a 'bot' mode. bd2412 T 02:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Latin non-lemmata[edit]

If you're going to create pages for inflected forms of Latin words, then please include full grammatical details. The word argumenti is the singular genitive form of argumentum. Note that the nominative plural is argumenta. --EncycloPetey 04:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


That’s fine too: good editing comes from good feedback; I did not express my feelings. I answered your question.. My language is from my heart. About meaning, verses ego, not a challenge a fact. Please don’t invite me into your conversations if diversity offends you.Kisida 07:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


Hi BD. I don't see how the new sense of pavement is any different from senses 1 or 2 (which should probably be merged anyway). The citation clearly fits 2 perfectly. And the word can't mean ‘pieces of material’, or the quote you added would not have needed to say ‘chunks of...’. Widsith 17:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Hmmm... I think in one sense, the pavement means the road itself, while in the other it means the material that the road is made of. You can, for example, have a wheelbarrow full of unset pavement, which you pour on the road to let harden. But I see your point about the 'chunk of'. bd2412 T 17:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Looking at for comparison, every source it offers splits the def between the surface and the material. bd2412 T 17:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

OK then, maybe I'm going mad. Actually it looks all right now you've reworked it. Widsith 17:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Same page links[edit]

Take a look at how I semi-reverted the edits you made to the bodybuilder page. Do you see that this will be helpful for pages that grow long and have several languages on them? --EncycloPetey 19:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I see. If they were like that in the first place, I wouldn't have messed with 'em. bd2412 T 19:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. It's something I hadn't known how to do when I started creating entries. I try to link this way now, though. --EncycloPetey 21:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


Good day, and congratulations with your new buttons. Wiktionary cabal, welcome to the. — Vildricianus 19:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Template {{past of|}}[edit]

There is a template {{past of|}}, which you can use to indicate the past tense AND the past participle of a verb, e.g. mailed. It doesn't work for forms like ran and was, because their simple past and past participle are different; but for most verbs it will do.

Excellent! Thank you. bd2412 T 01:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


I will take back my comments as well. I do regrete not takeing the time to explain myselfKisida 16:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

This nearly intelligible rant is probably a misplaced rewrite of this response to this revert. Rod (A. Smith) 06:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
No one's English is this bad - it's either Babelfish or a troll looking for attention. Probably the latter, as his userpage had sentences in good English. bd2412 T 16:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
At any rate, this user has requested that his account be deleted,[1], and I've fulfilled that request. bd2412 T 17:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I know my spelling was incorrect; my spell check was not working properly, and if I seemed frustrated; that’s because I am, and it is my responsibility to inform you that your choice of words are considered offensive to me as we have discussed before. If this can’t be settled in a mature sense it is my obligation to request mediation. I am not here to insult or be insulted, if you feel I have insulted you, I have a talk page for that. In regards to deleting my user page was a request that would not be carried out by one person, rather Wiki as a whole could make that decision if appropriate. The question regarding my English: I went to school in USA, and typing was not available to me so my poor appearance is do to lack of PC-typing skills. I don’t believe that should discredit my intentions I find these comments (it's either Babel fish or a troll looking for attention) are the reason we are having this discussion in the first place. After I was declared to be dubious I decided to end any discussions with anyone making accusations like that. It was you that re-invited me for discussion. Lets just make peace and not talk any more, or about each other. Kisida 15:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC) .

Ok. bd2412 T 17:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

English header[edit]

Um... A lot of your recent edits have left off the English language header from the page. --EncycloPetey 20:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I see the two that you fixed... any others? bd2412 T 20:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I haven't made a thorough check, nor did I see any systematic error on your part. It's just something to watch for. --EncycloPetey 20:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
It's a quirk of using a shortcut template. I'll be careful of that in the future. Thanks! bd2412 T 20:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Breaking the law, Part II[edit]

In case you're still busy as feck, I've got another question regarding lawlessness, here: Wiktionary:Basic English Word List, as mentioned here. Is it a vio? — Vildricianus 09:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll look at it... in about twelve hours. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, more like 24... bd2412 T 03:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


Hi BD. You can block me again if you like. Not that it will achiece much in the long run. See you back in a few days. -- 22:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

How odd a message, given that I have never yet blocked anyone on Wiktionary. bd2412 T 22:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


You deleted "postface" so it's probably not a real word. Therefore, what is the opposite of a "preface"? I looked in a thesaurus but without much luck. -- 04:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the opposite end of a preface an epilogue? Perhaps an afterword? bd2412 T 04:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
No, epilogue and afterword have their own antonyms (prologue and foreword). But I've never heard the word postface before...that's odd. 17:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Indeed you are correct. bd2412 T 20:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


From User:ConnelMacKenzieBot I used to one-by-one change the bulk of the obvious ones. I left the multiword-terms (where "singular=" needs to be switched to "sg=") and terms that looked like they don't meet CFI. I think AWB is better suited for the remaining edits. Sorry if I stepped on your foot there. --Connel MacKenzie 17:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Not at all - glad to see the job done. Having all nouns on the same template will make it much easier to address them collectively. bd2412 T 18:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikiquote prank[edit]

Connel MacKenzie reverted the prank "HELP!" posting from Wikiquote NEEDS help! (talkcontribs) (who was incompetently impersonating Kalki) before I had a chance to add the true sig/timestamp and comment on it. Just so you know, I've raised the question of how Wiktionary handles impersonation pranks like this at Wiktionary:Information desk#How to report impersonation. ~ Jeff Q 01:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Derogatory stereotype: excellent comment[edit]

"Then at the very least, the etymology should be corrected to reflect the fact that this is not derived from actual Chinese Pidgin English, but from a derogatory stereotype of such a speech pattern" -- Well done. He clearly missed the hint in your earlier quotation. It's been niggling me all afternoon, but I couldn't think of the right thing to say. --Enginear 17:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

better fjord etym.[edit]

Thanks! —scs 21:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, don't thank me, I just copied what was on Wikipedia (after verifying and cleaning it up, of course). bd2412 T 23:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


Hey, I noticed you filled out the page for yuè, but I have no idea what "yuè" means, is, or represents. Is there any more information that could be added to the page so that I, who do not speak Mandarin, can understand "yuè" better? - TheDaveRoss 06:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's hard - yuè is a pinyin transliteration of a large number of Chinese characters. It only has meaning inin context, like for example the English sound "fa" - which could be part of father or farm or (phonetically) fodder. I intend to provide meanings for the transliterated characters - after I have a basic article for each of the 1,415 pinyin transliterations. It's a long-term project, but will get done eventually. bd2412 T 13:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good, I just have no clue what anything in that article means! :) Also, I would like to point out to anyone who hasn't voted yet that there are at least four votes going on at the moment that everyone has a vested interest in, 4 Checkusers, 2 Admins, 1 new logo and 1 boardmember, the more the merrier when it comes to these votes, especially the checkusers which requires 25 votes before anyone can be appointed, and the board vote which determines the course of Wikimedia! - TheDaveRoss 15:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


Hi ... I've been thinking that the category really ought to be Mandarin pinyin ...

Yes, "pinyin" isn't very ambiguous. But we have (e.g.) Japanese kanji, where "kanji" isn't ambiguous either. With a few thousand languages, many of which have various POS and script form categories, IMHO it would be good if they all started with the language name? (Besides which, Pinyin is a West African language. Category:Pinyin really ought to be words in that Pinyin!)

Quite a few of your entries are also going to end up with sections for Min Nan POJ, Cantonese Jyutping, and others: Hakka, Wu, Jinyu, Gan, Xiang, Min Dong, Min Bei, Min Zhong. Hakka Pinyin is not Mandarin Pinyin ...

I do hope that when you subst: the template it leaves a new template on the definition line that includes the category? Robert Ullmann 15:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

It does for the Pinyin number system transliterations, but I don't subst anything for the actual Pinyin articles - I can do it with AWB later on tonight. bd2412 T 15:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
That was fast ;-) My last comment means when someday you subst:pinyin-n it should put in a new template that generates "Alternate spelling of ..." and has the category? Robert Ullmann 15:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
That's reasonable - I'll do it when I get to the subst point. bd2412 T 15:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of messing with your template; created a form-of template for the definition line (Connel made a similar point infra while I was sitting thinking about it ...) feel free to change it. (note the CSS span whatever magic ;-) Robert Ullmann 21:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


I see several problems with this template.

  1. The template name starts with an upper case character.
  2. It includes a language heading within the template.
  3. It includes a non-standard ===Pinyin=== heading (that I thought was going away)
  4. It includes a third level heading within the template.
  5. It doesn't subst: the PAGENAME variable when it should.
  6. It is missing the normal editing line breaks.
  7. It makes a reasonable (but invalid) assumption about target sections.
  8. It doesn't use {{alternative spelling of}} when it should.
  9. If it were to be used as a preload template, it would be called {{new_cjkv_pinyin}} or similar. It would always be either subst:'ed or simply called from the MediaWiki:Nogomatch page.

--Connel MacKenzie 19:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

The template is a temporary stopgap measure until the 1,415 pinyin number-system entries are done. Judging by the amount of blue on User:BD2412/Pinyin by number, I think I'm over 1/3 of the way done, and progressing at a good clip. When I have all the entries done, I'll modify the template to include whatever the final form should be for the entries, and subst them all in (at which point the template will become superfluous and will be deleted). I intend to introduce the {{alternative spelling of}} template and subst: the PAGENAME variables at that point, and then go back through and individually address the handful of transliterations that only stand for one character. I imagine we'll resolve the non-standard Pinyin heading before then as well, but I'm not sure what else to do with it, because the numbered pinyin entries (like the regular pinyin entries) are merely agreed phonetic indicators that may stand for words in any part of speech. bd2412 T 19:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like a fairly reasonable approach. I'd prefer you rename the template to follow the "new_{lang}_{function}" naming scheme, and not delete it when you are done. (But yes, certainly subst: them all.)
It is good to hear some progress is being made on the "===Pinyin===" issue; I haven't followed that closely, myself. But I hope "we" decide against it.
By the way, most of the links on your sub-page appear brown to me; that is, below the stub-threshold. About 1/3 are red. Only these entries: a1, a2. a3, a5, e2, ren3 and ren4 are blue. --Connel MacKenzie 20:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Connel, this template is totally temporary; so the name doesn't really matter. Likewise having headers within, etc. (I don't understand your comment about subst: with PAGENAME, as it doesn't do anything inside a template? Outside it is harmless?) We shouldn't need it at all later, we'll keep the form-of template. (see comment supra). I agree that ===Pinyin=== should change; but we do need something along the lines of "Hiragana character" et al. Maybe it should be "Pinyin Syllable"? What do you mean by "reasonable assumption about target sections"? Robert Ullmann 21:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be more efficient to just create a new template at a new name when this process is done than to rename the existing one, which is already in an extensive number of articles - I think the links are showing up to you as substubs precisely because they contain nothing but the template and the target word of the alternate spelling. bd2412 T 23:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  1. Renaming the template now has no effect on the existing entries (as long as the redirect is not tampered with.)
  2. If you wait until after they are all subst:'ed, what would be the point of not moving the template to the correct name?
  3. The links are substubs, yes because of the tiny size. My view of your one sub-page is not of concern but rather, at least three other parts of MediaWiki software that are affected by their creation and presence. One example: Special:Shortpages is mostly pooched now.
  4. When "the process is done" the resulting entries should not have {{PAGENAME}} in them, but the actual entry title instead. Since the template in question is a "subst:ing" template, the <includeonly>{{subst</includeonly>:PAGENAME}} trick should be used inside that template, right before subst:ing them all.
  5. Out of ignorance, I shall try to refrain from saying anything more about the ===Pinyin=== heading. Perhaps it is the best approach: I know I have no clear idea whether it is, or not..
  6. If the template has taken days/weeks/months to flesh out to everyone's mutual disatisfaction, it would be curteous to leave the template around, at the proper Template:new_... name. A year from now, someone will innocently come along and try adding tone characters again (as someone tried last year, and the year before, IIRC.)
--Connel MacKenzie 04:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Rest assured, I've planned all along to do the include-only subst of the PAGENAME part before subst'ing the template proper. I don't think anyone will add tone characters a year from now - at least not pinyin transliteration tones, as there is a finite set of those which will all be done. I give it about two weeks, at my current clip. Cheers! bd2412 T 05:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Connel, we certainly don't want to use ===Pinyin=== for words. The thing is that we also have entries for letters, characters, symbols, and syllables with and without tones, readings. These all use L3 headers that aren't POSes; and it seems reasonable. See for example (ki), which use "Hiragana letter" and "Kanji reading" as well as "Noun". It seems reasonable to use "Pinyin" here, unless someone has a better idea? And as BD2412 points out, this is a finite set for Mandarin.
Oh, and the target section (#Mandarin) always exists in the Mandarin pinyin entry linked to. Robert Ullmann 11:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Right - it was not clear to me that there is a finite closed set of these, that no more can ever possibly be added to. --Connel MacKenzie 17:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


I know you, you're the guy who proposed the Warehousing scheme! Cool! 17:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

plural of[edit]

When using template:plural of please include brackets around the singular term ({{plural of|[[singular]]}} so that the page is counted in the article count of the wiki. Thanks! - TheDaveRoss 05:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Dear BD2412,

Thank you for signaling your confidence in my ability to act as a CheckUser for the English Wiktionary. Your vote means a lot to me. I deeply appreciate it.

You may not be aware, but the Meta: policy dictates that there must be multiple CheckUsers on any given project, or else none will be granted. Each must get 25 votes on their local wiki, as per Meta: policy, to be granted the CheckUser privilege.

I'd like to take a moment to endorse my friends and co-runners. Each of them offers different skills that, as a whole, complement the needs of the English Wiktionary.

  1. User:Uncle G has been an English Wikipedia sysop longer than he's been an English Wiktionary sysop. This year (2006) he has refocused his efforts outside of Wiktionary. He was dragged away from Wiktionary while cleaning up the tens of thousands of entries on Wikipedia that linked incorrectly to Wiktionary after the case-sensitivity change in June 2005. He knows Wiktionary very well. And he is very competent at focusing his efforts wherever they are most needed. He operated the original Transwiki: bot, before we had the Special:Import feature we have now.
  2. User:Kipmaster is a French Wiktionnaire sysop and bot operator who is very technically capable. He also is in Europe, making his hours of availability complementary to his American counterparts. He is active in WiktionaryZ imports and understands very well which data can be imported here, from there. He normally acts as our primary liaison to fr.wiktionary, whenever compatibility issues arise.
  3. User:Jon Harald Søby is a steward. As a meta: steward, he is the primary person we call on to perform CheckUser checks now. His availability is often limited, but his Central European timezone proves to be very, very useful on occasion. He has contributed extensively to Wiktionary over the years.
  4. User:Kelly Martin was recently called in to help perform CheckUser checks on the English Wiktionary. She is currently up for election also for the Board of Trustees of Wikimedia Foundation. (In the unlikely event she wins that election, she will no longer be available to pursue her CheckUser nomination here.) Since she also has CheckUser privilege on other sister projects, she is accustomed to the 'can's and 'cannot's of CheckUser procedures, in detail.

I hope you can take a moment to consider these fine candidates again. Your support means a great deal to them, as well as to Wiktionary's ability to perform its own CheckUser checks in a timely manner.

Thank you again, for your support.

--Connel MacKenzie 06:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


Looking at this entry, I'm left wondering why the English term isn't listed? Has this been discussed somewhere at length that can read up on? This seems quite wrong to me. --Connel MacKenzie 21:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Is there an English word dán? I was not aware of it. bd2412 T 21:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't know if there is, but that wasn't what I meant. The "translation" listed is for another foreign term! --Connel MacKenzie 05:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Strictly speaking, it is not a "translation" but a "transliteration" - the roman alphabet version of the Chinese character. I'll sort through the definitions once I have the initial entries done! bd2412 T 05:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Oh, OK. Sorry for stepping on your toes, then. Keep up the great work! --Connel MacKenzie 05:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

No "Verb form"[edit]

As per WT:ELE I'll change those all to ===Verb===. --Connel MacKenzie 05:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Oook - well you could have just said something - the block I could have done without. I can fix them back. I did not realize that was incorrect, as I've been using that header for quite some time without raising any comment! bd2412 T 05:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I saw a high edit rate, and instinct kicked in. --Connel MacKenzie 05:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
In that case, can you do me the favor of unblocking me? I will not unblock myself, on principle. bd2412 T 05:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
oops - never mind, I see you have. bd2412 T 05:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Right. Unlike Wikipedia, blocked users cannot edit their talk pages here. --Connel MacKenzie 05:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
By the way, a talk page message will stop AWB just as effectively as a block - it shuts down until you check the message. bd2412 T 05:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I shall try to remember that! After all, that was all I intended in the first place. --Connel MacKenzie 05:33, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Would all this be faster and easier to discuss on Wiktionary IRC(help)? We'd love to see you there. Dvortygirl 05:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

At the moment, I have no chat client! Guess I'll have to get one (tomorrow that is). Cheers! and Goodnight! bd2412 T 06:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
mIRC has been good to me, hope to see you there soon :) - TheDaveRoss 17:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Preload templates[edit]

Unfortunately, the "noinclude" doesn't work for preload templates. There's a recent discussion about it somewhere in the grease pit. --Connel MacKenzie 17:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)