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Help with a Gaulish template120:06, 20 April 2014
Template:eo-part-sublemma115:06, 19 April 2014
Please preview biltvätt403:30, 19 April 2014
Recent Romanian translations217:54, 18 April 2014
Slovenian in BabelBox1001:54, 16 April 2014
Please delete EMPTY "in simplified script‎"/"in traditional script‎" categories214:12, 15 April 2014
Serbo-Croatian112:53, 15 April 2014
Paranteze112:53, 14 April 2014
Ancient Greek alternative forms121:26, 13 April 2014
nv-Latn016:34, 13 April 2014
Uppan112:53, 13 April 2014
Username report118:25, 12 April 2014
derp & Derpy118:31, 11 April 2014
PGmc adverbs update915:23, 11 April 2014
Thanks!107:09, 10 April 2014
A problem with Template:circumfix1021:41, 8 April 2014
Template:User ur-4‎621:12, 8 April 2014
Funky cat at Template:list:planets of the Solar System/ja220:15, 8 April 2014
FYI a blog018:16, 4 April 2014
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Help with a Gaulish template

Hello CodeCat,

I'm in the need of your help as I started creating a template for the Gaulish declension however the a-stem declension table I began with takes in all the terms below the grid if used in a Wiktionary entry and I can't skip the vocative plural because this form isn't attested or doesn't exist, it pulls the accusative singular form into that place. Do you know how to solve this problem?

I'd be very glad for your help :)! Greetings HeliosX (talk) 19:58, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

HeliosX (talk)19:58, 20 April 2014

I generally recommend that "empty" inflection table templates should use named parameters instead of numbered ones. That way you can always be sure that parameters mean what they should, and you can't accidentally forget or skip some unless that's what you intended to do. Also, I think it would be better to name it Template:cel-gau-decl-noun-table.

CodeCat20:06, 20 April 2014


The formatting of this template is completely messed up - see for instance kaptito. Could it have been this edit that caused the problem?

Mr. Granger (talkcontribs)15:00, 19 April 2014

It's fixed now, thank you.

CodeCat15:06, 19 April 2014

before reverting it.

kc_kennylau (talk)02:30, 19 April 2014

Please fix Template:sv-noun-reg-ar.

CodeCat02:31, 19 April 2014

My edit on your module fixed it but you ******* reverted it

kc_kennylau (talk)03:15, 19 April 2014

Whta the f*** is going on? All -ar type Swedish declensions are messed up.

Hekaheka (talk)03:25, 19 April 2014

I fixed the -ar types by treating empty strings as valid pagename but this guys ******* reverted it

kc_kennylau (talk)03:30, 19 April 2014

Recent Romanian translations


Just want to give you a heads-up, since you wrote on Baican XXX's discussion page, that quite a few of his translations are incorrect. E.g. gândibil isn't attested in any Romanian dictionary and sânteți was never the correct spelling of sunteți. He has a long history of making up words and quite honestly I gave up trying to have a meaningful discussion with him a long time ago. I've blocked him from Romanian Wiktionary before and he has recently been blocked from Romanian Wikipedia for doing the same thing and then some. I'll try to keep up with his contributions, but he has a tendency of adding so much bulk that it gets hard to keep up with him. Happy Easter!

Robbie SWE (talk)17:26, 18 April 2014

You should probably raise this on the Beer Parlour.

CodeCat17:45, 18 April 2014

Thanks! I'll raise the question there.

Robbie SWE (talk)17:54, 18 April 2014

Slovenian in BabelBox

Hi, are you learning about the Slovenian language so that you could spruce up the Slovenian entries? Or are you using a dictionary?

Lo Ximiendo (talk)00:23, 16 April 2014

Both, yes. I can't fluently read Slovene, but I know enough keywords that I can read the official Slovene word list and figure out what the pronunciations and declensions are.

CodeCat00:26, 16 April 2014

So you wish to update your BabelBox to reflect your current activity of updating Slovene entries by adding sl-1 or something?

Lo Ximiendo (talk)00:36, 16 April 2014

I don't think I would qualify for that.

CodeCat00:37, 16 April 2014

You would. Just do it.

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)01:08, 16 April 2014

WT:Babel says that level 1 is if you have some basic command of the language and make simple phrases. I couldn't even do that... I can't remember enough words.

CodeCat01:10, 16 April 2014

Please delete EMPTY "in simplified script‎"/"in traditional script‎" categories

Are you able to delete all EMPTY categories suffixed in "simplified script‎"/"in traditional script‎" in Category:cmn:List of topics, please? I will fix non-empty later and delete myself.

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)03:37, 15 April 2014

My bot does not have administrator rights, so it can't delete pages. I'd have to delete them by hand.

CodeCat12:55, 15 April 2014

OK, thanks. I'll do it myself then.

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)14:12, 15 April 2014


Why did you delete that page? Isn't Wiktionary supposed to enter things by symbol? I see entries in no-symbol articles for words with the symbols for Serbo-Croatian and Latin all over the place in Wiktionary. What is up with this??? LalalalaSta (talk) 03:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

LalalalaSta (talk)03:13, 15 April 2014

The normal practice is for entries to be on the page that represents the normal everyday spelling of the word. However, for some languages, dictionaries often include extra diacritics that are not normally part of the written form. For Serbo-Croatian, dictionaries include diacritics to indicate the type of accent, and for Latin it's to indicate long vowels. Because these are not normally written, we include them only in the displayed form of the word, not in the entry name itself. That's because most people will not be looking up the words with those diacritics, but rather without them. For example, someone will generally be looking up cano and not canō as the word is not written that way in normal texts.

CodeCat12:53, 15 April 2014

Thanks you. Eu încerc asta, dar sunt situații care datorită bi-valenței în utilizare, nu pot fi altfel rezonabil rezolvate. Mersi ptr. atențieǃ

BAICAN XXX (talk)03:46, 14 April 2014

Sorry, I don't speak any Romanian...

CodeCat12:53, 14 April 2014

Ancient Greek alternative forms

Right, but I don't really know where else to put them. I took a look at the subcategories of Category:English alternative forms, and no one really fit for the purpose of Ancient Greek.

Fsojic (talk)21:24, 13 April 2014

Do they need to be put anywhere at all? I'm not sure I understand.

CodeCat21:26, 13 April 2014

You indicate that Template:nv-Latn was migrated to Module:scripts. How do I use Module:scripts to set a text in the correct script? I don’t know anything about Lua. —Stephen (Talk) 16:34, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

—Stephen (Talk)16:34, 13 April 2014

Use {{lang|nv|(text)}}.

CodeCat16:34, 13 April 2014

Hi CodeCat,

Concerning Appendix:Proto-Germanic/uppai. The Old Dutch dictionary in the WNT says: uppan, meaning "above", is derived from the adverb *uppa + an (I added the *; I assume it's unattested because it's not present in the WNT). See: [1]. I chose to insert the attested form (though less of a pure descendant, I admit) than the unattested one.

Morgengave (talk)08:57, 13 April 2014

It's probably better to put it at *ubanē. If you see the note in the descendants section you'll understand why.

CodeCat12:53, 13 April 2014

Username report

User account User:Fartfacebuttholerozga (talk / contribs) was recently created. I don't know if you have administrator rights, but I'm sure there are rules about usernames here, so where should I report this? LalalalaSta (talk) 18:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

LalalalaSta (talk)18:24, 12 April 2014

Generally, unless they are actually making bad edits, we usually ignore such accounts. As long as they aren't causing any harm, it's probably ok to leave them.

If you want to report vandalism, you can do that at WT:VIP.

CodeCat18:25, 12 April 2014

Really? I would be interested to see use of derp (to have eyes like that) pre-dating Derpy. I thought Derpy was so-called because of the slang for being stupid (unrelated to eyes), because the eyes make him/her look stupid... Equinox 17:53, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Equinox 17:53, 11 April 2014

I'm pretty sure that the term "derp" has been used in reference to that facial expression long before then.

CodeCat18:31, 11 April 2014

PGmc adverbs update

I have not been able to find a definitive source for the etymology of the ablative *-nV suffix, but apparently it could also appear in Sanskrit vinā, "without", and Latin supernē, "from above". The suffix could also apparently show up in Germanic *fanē, *hinē, *þanē, according to Kroonen. The former could be derived from PIE *h₂po-, a variant of *h₂epó, which would make it cognate to Latin po-.

If you find it acceptable, we could create the entries with the *-ē ending, with an explanation that the vowel is indeterminate and that that form is either the least problematic or least contested form. If not, then we could take up your earlier proposal to create the forms with the vowel left blank.

Anglom (talk)04:42, 8 April 2014

I found a paper recently that went a bit further into various Germanic words with an n-suffix, including these adverbs and prepositions. It's called "The Proto-Germanic N-stems - A Study", by Guus Kroonen.

CodeCat12:42, 8 April 2014

There is another paper available on titled "Consonant Gradation in the Proto-Germanic Iteratives" by Guus Kroonen as well, which I guess would be a shorter follow-up.

Anglom (talk)15:33, 8 April 2014

One thing I was wondering about. Should not Proto-Germanic *ana have lost the final vowel?

Is it possible that there were two originally distinct forms, *an(from earlier *ana) and, say, *anǭ or *anē?

Anglom (talk)02:58, 11 April 2014

Final -a is not preserved in any Germanic language that has a body of any decent size. It's only found in Proto-Norse runic inscriptions, and those attest only a few words.

CodeCat03:00, 11 April 2014

Sorry, I meant the preposition *ana.

Anglom (talk)03:03, 11 April 2014

Thanks for fixing up the stuff surrounding PIE -iHnos after I created it. I wasn't quite sure what just how to do all the bits. It looks much better now :)., 10 April 2014

Oops, that was me. Sorry.

TimNelson (talk)07:09, 10 April 2014

Hi CodeCat. Currently, when {{circumfix}} is used, it generates three links, one for the circumfixed antecedent term, and one each for the preceding and following parts of the circumfix; this results in links to pages that may be utterly irrelevant or even non-existent. Take the example of the Georgian word უბრალო (ubralo), in the entry for which {{circumfix|უ- -ო|უ|ბრალი|ო|lang=ka}} currently displays this:

*უ- (*u-) doesn't exist and -ო (-o) contains nothing relevant; both the links on either side of ბრალი (brali) should link to უ- -ო (u- -o). {{circumfix|უ- -ო|უ|ბრალი|ო|lang=ka}} should display this:

Unless I'm missing something, all that should be necessary is to pipe the links for the first and third terms, so that they link to the proper page, for the circumfix. Would you be able and willing to edit {{circumfix}} to correct this bug, please? Thanks for your time.

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.02:46, 31 March 2014

The template already has alt1= and alt3= parameters. What should be done with those?

CodeCat02:48, 31 March 2014

I don't suppose that's a problem, or is it? They just change what's displayed, rather than the link, right?

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.03:06, 31 March 2014

Currently, the template takes four main parameters: the circumfix itself, the first part, the middle word, and the second part. On top of that, it takes alt1, alt2 and alt3 parameters to override the display of each part. If I change the template so that it uses the first parameter to figure out what to link to, then the 2nd and 4th parameters only really change the display, and alt1 and alt3 parameters don't really have a distinct use anymore.

CodeCat03:11, 31 March 2014

Oh, I see. So, should we get rid of them? I suppose before we do, we'd need to fix any current uses of them. Is there a way to find out which entries, if any, use either or both of these alt1 and alt3 parameters?

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.03:16, 31 March 2014

What I'm more curious about is why there is that first parameter to begin with. It seems redundant to the 2nd and 4th, which could presumably be used to reconstruct the "whole" circumfix from its two parts.

But since this is a rather specific template that not many languages need, I can't really judge the merit of how it was made to work. Maybe you should ask at the GP, so that those who actually work with this template can explain.

CodeCat03:19, 31 March 2014

Template:User ur-4‎

you have broken my edit of the template. Could you please revert your changes?
Shujaat01 (talk)16:18, 8 April 2014

No, it's better how it is now. Could you work from the template as it is now?

CodeCat16:32, 8 April 2014

I didn't see that you changed the template. I thought you just changed the words. Thanks a lot for the last edit :)

Shujaat01 (talk)20:45, 8 April 2014

I don't know any Urdu, so I am not able to read what it says. And because it's written right to left, the text looks strange when I'm editing it, characters are mixed up.

All of our user language templates also link to the category that shows how well someone speaks it. If you look at Template:User ur-2 you can see what I mean. Are you able to add such a link to the ur-4 template as well?

CodeCat20:49, 8 April 2014

<butting in> According to Google Translate, it says "Urdu is the mother tongue of the user." </butting in>

SemperBlotto (talk)21:01, 8 April 2014

Oh... well in that case this template should probably really be Template:User ur. The name Template:User ur-4 would be used for people who are not native speakers, but speak Urdu as good as a native speaker.

CodeCat21:06, 8 April 2014

The category for Template:list:planets of the Solar System/ja as included in 木星#Japanese doesn't seem to be working correctly. Could you take a look at that? TIA, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 20:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig20:08, 8 April 2014


CodeCat20:13, 8 April 2014

Excellent, thank you!

‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig20:15, 8 April 2014

FYI a blog

I've noticed you keep having interesting questions about Proto-Finnic related matters, on WP or here. FWIW I run a research blog on Uralic historical linguistics if you're interested in detailed stuff or general chatter…

Tropylium (talk)18:16, 4 April 2014

ru headword with tr/headword is pagename


Do you know why телесериал get into this category?

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)23:19, 3 April 2014

No, but the transliteration was wrong anyway. I removed it.

CodeCat00:07, 4 April 2014

Ah, thanks. Silly me. "телесериа́ла" is genitive, I should have removed "tr=", which was automatically generated by Ruakh's tool.

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)00:08, 4 April 2014
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