User talk:CopperKettle

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Thank you! I'look up in case I start more pages. Cheers, --CopperKettle 18:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Russian transliteration[edit]

Hi,

Please follow our standard transliteration - WT:RU TR, yours are very unstandard. It may be easy to recreate rather than fix. --Anatoli (обсудить) 05:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

O.K.; sorry for the mess --CopperKettle (talk) 06:14, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a new section to a discussion page.[edit]

When viewing a discussion page, you should see a "+" tab between "Edit" and "History". You can use that to add a new section to the page. —RuakhTALK 17:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • To clarify — I wasn't requesting that you use it. I just find that to be a more convenient, and less edit-conflict–prone, way to add a section. Don't feel obligated or anything. :-P   —RuakhTALK 04:23, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

hedgehop - a SoP translation into Russian[edit]

Hi,

Please note my change from:

to:

Looks much better this way, doesn't it? No need to put gender ({{m}}, {{f}} or {{n}}) on verbs, prepositions and each word too :) --Anatoli (обсудить) 03:27, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, looks just nice. Thanks for the tip! What is SoP, BTW? --CopperKettle (talk) 03:39, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. SoP is "sum of parts", something made up of several parts. Russian doesn't have a single word equivalent for "to hedgehop", so "лететь на бреющем полёте" is an SoP. --Anatoli (обсудить) 03:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Привет,

Придётся всё менять. :) Шаблон {{l}} теперь даёт автоматическую транслитерацию, но в переводе сумм частей она не желательна:

Поменял с:

На:

если проставлять ударение после |, то можно без транслитерации (кроме исключений в чтении:

--Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:13, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, translations sections only go in English sections. Please see WT:ELE#Translations. Thanks! --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:01, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, didn't know that. Thanks for the tip! Cheers, --CopperKettle (talk) 10:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding citations[edit]

But I think it's forward slash ( / ), not backslash ( \ ), when separating lines of poetry, isn't it? Equinox 00:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Never noticed the difference.. (0: But if you say so, from now on I'll use the forward one. Cheers, --CopperKettle (talk) 01:02, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Or, better yet, just write the verse as the poet intended -- with real line breaks. Printed dictionaries used slash marks to save paper, but we don't need to worry about that. (BTW, from what I've seen you add classy, well-chosen quotations which illuminate the meaning. Well done.) -- · (talk) 03:28, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Thanks for the praise. (0: --CopperKettle (talk) 03:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

перевод глаголов, clutch[edit]

Привет,

Спасибо за переводы. Для глаголов не нужно обозначать m, f или n, этот параметр используется только для существительных. Обычно мы используем несовершенную форму или обе, отмечая их {{impf}} и {{pf}} (или {{pf.}}). Если тебе не трудно, не мог проставлять транслитерацию в словах, которые уже переведены раньше? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Привет! Спасибо за совет по глаголам, Анатолий! Если лень не забодает, буду ставить транслитерацию. (0: Cheers, --CopperKettle (talk) 01:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Я имел в виду, конечно, те статьи, которые ты редактируешь. Я пользуюсь "character palette" в Файерфоксе, чтобы не открывать множество табов. Спасибо (если лень не забодает). :)--Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 02:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

глаголы (опять)[edit]

Привет!

Как жизнь? Перестань ставить {{n}} в глаголах, он для существительных, у глаголов нет рода, например teeter и т.д. :)--Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok! I'm just whippin' out a boilerplate paragraph with all the bells'n'whistles from a word file when a new translation section is needed; sometimes failing to attend to such niggling brass tacks as n. (0: Cheers, --CopperKettle (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Понятно. Спасибо, извини, если звучало немного резко. Писал второпях, даже забыл волшебное слово сказать. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 10:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, I've got no beef with you. (0: --CopperKettle (talk) 11:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ruakh/Tbot.js скрипт для ускоренного создания статей из переводов[edit]

Привет,

Ползователь Ruakh создал программку для быстрого создания статей из переводов на русский язык. Работает очень хорошо, я протестировал. Нужно только добавить код (зависит от оболочки, которую ты используешь) в Викисловаре и перезагрузить браузер. Склонение, спряжение, синонимы и прочее нужно добавлять в ручную.

Одним щелчком в переводе на русский слова abstinence:

=={{subst:ru}}==

===Noun===
{{ru-noun|tr=vozderžánije|g=n}}

# [[abstinence]] {{gloss|the act or practice of abstaining}}

Остается добавить другие значения (если есть), склонение, и т.д.

=={{subst:ru}}==

автоматически меняется на Russian после сохранения.

Сообщи, если интересно, помогу установить или свяжись напрямую с Руахом. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 00:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Тебя тоже поздравляю :) --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw your to-do page[edit]

I'll have to make a note of that for later. BTW, I appreciate your addition of literary citations; I think on the whole we can be a bit too slangy and silly. Equinox 00:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Equinox! Doin' my best. (0: --CopperKettle (talk) 00:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding your Uncertain meaning phrases: woodwork seems to imply something that is omnipresent in the background (out of the woodwork); and "if he stopped" presumably means "if he stayed overnight" (i.e. incurring a hotel charge or similar); it is a slightly dated intransitive use of stop. Equinox 07:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you yet again, Equinox! --CopperKettle (talk) 08:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Re Hardy's Mayor of Casterbridge: "Yet many carried ruffled cheque-books in their pockets which regulated at the bank hard by a balance of never less than four figures." Here, hard by means nearby, and regulate means to control or govern (i.e. they can instruct the bank to pay them that much money). Equinox 01:21, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Equinox! I had read it as "regulated by a balance" and was wondering where to spatchcock the "hard" and why there's no "were" before "regulated". Faulty parsing. (0: --CopperKettle (talk) 01:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sum of parts in my opinion, should not be created. There is a sense at cynosure to cover this. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:58, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello from Stack Exchange[edit]

Hey, CopperKettle! Nih from Stack Exchange here. Hillcrest98 (talk) 01:31, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Hih! --CopperKettle (talk) 05:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I need help with some Russian material about a high-voltage transmission line[edit]

See Wiktionary:Information_desk/2016/August#Translation_of_Russian_sentence and the link to original Russian document. If you can't help please let me know. DCDuring TALK 02:32, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]