User talk:Matthias Buchmeier

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Etymology templates[edit]

Hi there,

Thanks for all the Spanish words you've been adding!

I just wanted to let you know about our etymology templates. For example, instead of writing "Latin", we write "{{L.}}", which links to the Wikipedia article on Latin and also adds the entry to Category:Latin derivations.

Thanks again! :-)

RuakhTALK 19:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

A clarification of Ruakh's comments: When writing an etymology for a non-English word, the language code should be put as a parameter of the template. So, for example, if a Spanish word derives from Latin, one would input {{L.|es}} instead of writing "Latin". Thanks. Atelaes 19:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Accented forms[edit]

For Spanish, we keep separate entries for accented and unaccented forms. So there should be an entry for quien and an entry for quién. Each page should explsin how that spelling is used in Spanish, and each should link to the other page at the top using a {{see}} template. Also, on the list of frequent Spanish words, the links should point to the exactly matching form, not to a root form. --EncycloPetey 20:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I understand your question. Here on the English Wiktionary, we have an entry for every possible form of a word, and we do link between forms that come from the same lemma. For example, we have the lemma page blanco, but we also have pages for blanca, blancos, and blancas. We have the lemma page ganar, but we also have pages for gano, ganan, ganaba, gané, etc. Notice that the non-lemma pages explain how they are related to the lemma form rather than give an English translation. A lemma page has all the definitions, inflection tables, and so on. The non-lemma pages may have quotations and a pronunciation, but otherwise give only an explanation of how it is formed from the lemma, with a link to the lemma.
Yes, adding a separate column to list the lemma form would be a good idea. Notice that we use the term "lemma" instead of "root" because root has a different meaning as a header. It is used for Hebrew consonant combinations from which many words can be created by the addition of a set of vowels. --EncycloPetey 17:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Telefonar[edit]

I did a google search and a double check on my entry.

It seems that through our spanish translation project a portugeuse word showed up. I kinda overlooked one letter, but we can fix that problem really easy.

Bearingbreaker92 19:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Language templates[edit]

Please don't add language templates like {{it}} or {{es}} to pages. We don;t use them on the English Wiktionary. The only reason those templates exist here at all is so that we can subst them when they get added. --EncycloPetey 08:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

We keep the templates around for two reasons. First, as you noticed, some other wiktionaries use the ISO language code templates. Editors from those projects occasionally insert the codes here, and we want to be able to subst them. Second, we use them to coordinate bot verification of language section headers. I believe they may also be used in some of the other context templates, but I'm not certain about that. We need to have them around. If you want to use them, please subst them when you put them in. There is a bot that occasionally does this, but I'm not sure whether AutoFormat soes that of if it's another bot that hasn't been run for awhile. --EncycloPetey 09:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and on an unrelated issue, could you check the German translations on the page Appendix:Official languages of the European Union matrix ? Thanks. --EncycloPetey 08:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Related terms[edit]

Please note that the Related terms section is only for words related by etymology, not simply for words associated by meaning. So clean, cleaner, cleaning, and cleanliness are related because they come from the same root word, but tidy, neat, and straighten would not be related. --EncycloPetey 08:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

It depends. If they have nearly the same meaning, use Synonyms. If they aren't words with the same meaning, but a closely related meaning, they can go under See also, but that should be limited only for one or two key words needed to understand the definition. We tend to discourage creating lists of words in the normal entry namespace except under the standard headers (Synonyms, Antonyms, etc). --EncycloPetey 09:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

pancake[edit]

What is the reason for commenting the Spanish translations for pancake? I think hot cake is quite unknown among Spanish speakers and does not even have a RAE entry, neither a wiktionary yet.Matthias Buchmeier 09:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The translations and pronunciations belong on the entry pages for the translations, not in the Translations section for the page pancake. The Translations section is only for translations, with gender and transliteration when necessary. It is not for a complete explanation. See Entry Layout Explained for more information. --EncycloPetey 16:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

cafiche[edit]

Just Chile? I read the word in a Vargas Llosa book, which, of course, is Peruvian. Widsith 14:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure it is used in Chile. But surely it seems to be used in other countries as well? Widsith 08:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Spanish entries[edit]

Thanks for following up on some of my Spanish entries. I've been doing a fair amount of work in this area recently and it's good to have a second pair of eyes. Let me know if you have any specific suggestions. P.S. What do you think of the entries that have "Spanish (Castillian)" as the language header? I've been changing them to just say "Spanish" on any entries that I edit. Mike Dillon 01:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

almorzar[edit]

eeks. Do you know if that just happened recently? I made an edit to the template Template:es-conj-ar recently, but that was intended only to link the verb forms. Dmcdevit·t 07:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, it was just the wrong template then? [1]. Hm, and it was there for a long time. Eventually I'd like to consolidate all these templates into one that's easier to use; there is no real reason to have created a different template for all these forms, when we could just use a parameter. But i haven't found the time yet. Dmcdevit·t 07:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Frequency lists/Italian1000[edit]

Thanks for that - I shall attempt to change red links to blue. The only false red that I saw on a quick look was nell which is probably nell'. Cheers. SemperBlotto 08:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

These pages are very useful. Most of the red links on your larger lists are combined forms of verbs and pronouns - there are very very many of these and we haven't yet decided how to treat them - we have a few (see dimmi as an example). Some seem to be proper nouns in lowercase, and some seem to be real words but with non-standard accents (grave instead of accute etc) - I shall talk to User:Barmar about those (If she reappears). Thanks again. SemperBlotto 11:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Admin?[edit]

Hey, I just noticed you adding the {{delete}} tag on mamcita. It made me wonder, is there any particular reason you aren't an admin yourself? Would you object if I nominated you? Dmcdevit·t 06:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

+1. —RuakhTALK 03:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I think you should decide how much more work you want to put in, if any; it won't be forced on you. The nomination is at Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2007-11/User:Matthias Buchmeier for admin. You have to go there and give your acceptance. Thanks! Dmcdevit·t 05:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

New buttons[edit]

Welcome to sysophood (and Merry Christmas). SemperBlotto 16:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Italian frequency lists[edit]

Hi there! Do you have any idea why I can no longer open your very useful frequency lists (apart from User:Matthias_Buchmeier/Italian_frequency_list-40000- & User:Matthias_Buchmeier/Italian_frequency_list-50000-)? --Barmar 12:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I still can't see them, I just get empty pages. I've also tried changing browser without any result. Thanks anyway. --Barmar 06:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I can only view them using Firefox. Blank pages with Internet Explorer. SemperBlotto 10:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Matthias for the new lists, now I'm able to see them. They're so useful! (I'll turn those apocopic forms blue) Ciao --Barmar 12:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:es-note-noun-f-starting-with-stressed-a[edit]

Good job with {{es-note-noun-f-starting-with-stressed-a}}. I attempted to show that an adjective between the article and the noun reverts the article to la, but unfortunately, gran doesn't work with all of the entries that use the template, e.g. *la gran agua. So, I removed the automated counterexample. Anyway, well done. Rod (A. Smith) 16:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

sandbox[edit]

Something strange happened when you created your sandbox. I have moved it to User:Matthias Buchmeier/sandbox SemperBlotto 10:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot[edit]

Hi, I saw your WT:VOTE; are you using the same code as SemperBlottoBot, FitBot and the rest, or are you using your own code - in which case WT:BOT asks that you publish the code somewhere. User:BuchmeierBot/code would be great. Conrad.Irwin 20:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

No, I use a combination of bash and gawk scrips to analyze the page and write the wiki-code and mvs to upload the pages. The code is published under User:BuchmeierBot/code. Matthias Buchmeier 08:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that you're doing a great job with Spanish verb forms through BuchmeierBot. I remember back when the templates were really disorganized and I tried to fix some stuff, but I really couldn't do much without a bot. Needless to say, I come back and you've got a bot that does it perfectly. Good job! Ian Burnet 07:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

es-verb(2)[edit]

There is discussion at Wiktionary talk:About Spanish. I think I can made the coding of the template look more elegant, but there is a proposed functionality set up at {{es-verb2}} that would combine thre three templates currently in use. (yes, actually combine them, not simply call them) --EncycloPetey 15:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I've started a VOTE on implementing this template in place of the existing ones. --EncycloPetey 00:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

solver[edit]

You're right- I usually check the conjugation patterns from a variety of sources (verbix is pretty reliable)- but for some reason I didn't this time. It should be conjugated like volver- sorry for the confusion. Nadando 00:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Should be fixed now. Nadando 00:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

tip of the iceberg[edit]

Hi. I was looking for a good translation of the above. As you seem to be something of an expert in the Anglo-Spanish field, I was wondering if you might know? Cheers. -- ALGRIF talk 14:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

The translation is punta del iceberg. Matthias Buchmeier 11:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
They use that because it is the dubbed version on the US films. But it is not the correct way. There is a particularly Spanish way of saying this, and I can't find it. It's driving me nuts :-P -- ALGRIF talk 11:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
la punta del iceberg is certainly a well known saying among Spanish speakers, see e.g. iceberg at www.rae.es or do a google search (gives around 600,000 hits which is quite a lot). Matthias Buchmeier 14:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I know it is in common use, but I felt sure there was a Spanish expression that meant the same. I'm probably getting confused. (It happens quite a lot. ;-/ ) Cheers -- ALGRIF talk 14:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Similarly in Italian, it is punta dell'iceberg Venere 14:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:es-conj-ñir[edit]

I found an error in the first-person plural fututre tense. All verbs by bot from this template will be missing this form (e.g. see gruñir). Fortunately, no incorrect entries were created as a result of this error, but there is red link now in all the tables. --EncycloPetey 20:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

compañía[edit]

Hi, you created the compañia entry, but I found it at more sources with the stressed "i" (compañía). But since you're an Spanish expert and I'm just a beginner with that language, I wanted to ask, before I edit. Hi.ro 19:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Of course its compañía. compañia is a missspelling and was my error. Matthias Buchmeier 10:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

indisponer[edit]

This irregular verb has the wrong conjugation table, so many (all?) of the conjugated entry forms are incorrect. --EncycloPetey 05:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

vindicar[edit]

This verb also had an incorrect conjugation table. The forms with "qu" were not created by bot, but were created with "c" instead. --EncycloPetey 00:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


Also: transparentar. This verb was a typo when it was originally entered (as tranparentar). I have moved it to the correct location, but the conjugation table and all the inflected forms were created using the typo. --EncycloPetey 18:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Also: sojuzgar. The conjugation table did not reflect the g -> gu in some forms. --EncycloPetey 01:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Acceleration[edit]

I've just updated the script to do [2] for you. So if you clear your cache (ctrl+shift+F5) it will now do that. Conrad.Irwin 11:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. It now works for Spanish nouns as expected for me.Matthias Buchmeier 11:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Implications of new kludge[edit]

I'm not sure if you've seen Robert's new trick concerning categorization, but would you please read Wiktionary:Grease pit#Template:count page: Building a Better Kludge. As the owner of a bot which creates many form-of entries, your views on new formatting for these entries would be appreciated. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 07:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

halagar[edit]

This is another verb that had the wrong conjugation template when the forms were generated. note: I'm working backwards alphabetically through all the Spanish verbs in Category:Spanish verbs and am about halfway through. So far, there have been very few of these kinds of errors, which is a good sign. --EncycloPetey 08:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Also gargarizar, fertilizar, and edificar had the wrong conjugation. --EncycloPetey 20:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

digerir[edit]

The verb digerir seems to have had the wrong conjugation table. I think I've switched to the correct one, but you might want to check. --EncycloPetey 00:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

azuzar[edit]

Another one that had the wrong table. Note: At this point, I've gone through all the verbs except for those starting with "a-", so there shouldn't be many errors left. --EncycloPetey 00:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Spanish lists[edit]

Can you reply to my query, please? That is if you are indeed the copyright holder. Mglovesfun 11:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, am am the copyright holder. The lists are released under both the GDFL and the LGPL licenses. Of course, You can import them to the French Wiktionary. Matthias Buchmeier 08:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

huh?[edit]

impacientes

impaciente[ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 13:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

cabra / cabro[edit]

While the general rule for gender-paired nouns in Romance languages is that the male is used when the gender is unknown, the words for goat descending from the Latin capra are an exception, with the feminine form used for goats of indeterminate gender. — Carolina wren discussió 17:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course, well done! I must have been distracted.Matthias Buchmeier 07:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Your bots' feed me messages[edit]

Hi there. Can I use your bots' feed me messages on both the feedme page and his userpage for my bot please? I'll, of course, give you credit where credit is due :) Please let me know ASAP. Thanks, Razorflame 23:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

tobogán[edit]

Wouldn't the plural of tobogán be tobogánes? Razorflame 10:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

m:Wiktionary/logo/refresh/voting[edit]

I do not want to come across as contumelious but please consider casting your vote for the tile logo as—besides using English—the book logo has a clear directionality of horizontal left-to-right, starkly contrasting with Arabic and Chinese, two of the six official UN languages. As such, the tile logo is the only translingual choice left and it was also elected in m:Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-4. Warmest Regards, :)--thecurran Speak your mind my past 03:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

vacilaríais[edit]

Hi there Matthias. Your bot missed this form of entries for the entry vacilar. Just thought that I'd let you know :) Cheers, Razorflame 20:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

fingere[edit]

For the Latin section, why have you listed descendants on the infinitive page and not the lemma, which is the current standard, at fingō? Also, on fingō, surely ficción comes from fictiō and not fingō? In this case it should be reserved for fictiō and not fingō. Thanks in advance. Caladon 17:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

In response to your question on my talk page, the etymology should link to the lemma whenever possible as it says on WT:ALA. If you want to show that a word comes from the infinitive, you should write the etymology as shown in the example on that page; so if it comes from an inflected form, show both in the etymology, but don't use hidden links (the alternate text parameter, linking to the lemma but not displaying as such), since they're undesirable as well. Caladon 18:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

cascabel (Spanish)[edit]

I have hidden you last editions in cascabel because of this reason. If the word is/was used as such other than in "serpiente de cascabel" please add which country, area or time that use occurs/occurred. I have changed the potential order of definitions because the most common meaning of the word clearly is "jingle bell". Regards. --81.39.216.10 10:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Caló[edit]

SIL just retired the language code for "Caló" [rmr]. They split it into "Erromintxela" ("Basque Romany") [emx] and made a new "Caló" [rmq] identifier. Would you be able to update your edits involving Caló (chavall, molar, currar, chalar, and camelar) to one of these new identifiers (probably [rmq])? Thanks. --Bequw¢τ 22:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

login[edit]

hi, your bot isn't logged in --Rising Sun talk? contributions 11:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I seems that WWW-Mediawiki-Client is not able to login anymore. I get an error message saying: Login error. There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again. However a manual login to my bot-account from Firefox works OK. Does anyone know if the Mediawiki software has been recently updated? Matthias Buchmeier 14:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I had the same error message. Others apparently have had to download the whole bot package again. I tried that, but it didn't work, so I got disgruntled and gave up, hoping that some other bugger will take over the bot from me. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 17:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Spanish suffixes[edit]

Hello. When editing Spanish suffixes, maybe you should specify the parameter 2= of {{es-suffix}}, to ignore the hyphen and sort them alphabetically in Category:Spanish suffixes. --Daniel. 07:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

reducido[edit]

Hi there Matthias. Can you have your bot add the verb form to this because the original verb form added to the entry isn't current at this point in time. Thanks, Razorflame 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Never mind. I fixed the page for you :) Razorflame 04:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Votes/2010-04/Voting policy[edit]

I urge you to vote. (I don't know which way you'll vote, but I want more voices, especially English Wiktionarians' voices, heard in this vote.) If you've voted already, or stated that you won't, and I missed it, I apologize.​—msh210 17:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Spanish word list[edit]

Hi Matthias. Is it possible to get the original word list from which the Spanish word-frequency list was compiled? Comber 13:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure. The compressed file is about 70Mb. Send me an email and I'll try to send it as attachment.Matthias Buchmeier 08:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't know how to get your email address or send you an email. I presume you don't want your email on pages open to web-crawlers. I can give you an FTP that you can upload to. Comber 16:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Just follow the link 'E-mail this user' in the 'Toolbox' on the left side of my user page. Matthias Buchmeier 08:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Macho and macha[edit]

Dear Matthias. Sorry to contradict you. "Macha" is not the feminin of "macho" as in "female" and "male", respectively. As I mentioned before, the corresponding feminine word to "macho" (in Spanish) is "marimacho". "Macha" is a kind of mollusc and "salsa macha" is a very hot and spicy sauce used to dress mostly seafood (the same as "salsa bruja"). As for the verb "machar" it has nothing to do with the word "macho" and means to "hit" or "break". In said cases, I suggest to create an article for each of both words.--Estaurofila 14:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

He's blocked for a day, so I'll butt in. Machar does have its own entry. We allow inflected forms, it doesn't matter whether the etymologies are the same - you can add more than one. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:mf[edit]

Isn't it better to keep it as a deprecated template? It actually was used three times, which would have been one as one was on a talk page, the other two would have been removed by AutoFormat, except it's down right now. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Bisonte, not "bisón"[edit]

Hi Matthias. At least in User:Matthias_Buchmeier/en-es-e and User:Matthias_Buchmeier/en-es-w you have listed "bisón europeo". The form "bisón" does not exist in Spanish. It only exists in (few) pages in internet due to a bad translation from English (bisón instead bisonte) and a confusion with "visón" (mink) which happens to be pronounced the same in Spanish. The proper form is "bisonte (europeo, americano...)". Regards. --82.198.250.2 13:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

It seems that the Spanish translations at wisent, and European bison have already been corrected. The English-Spanish dictionary files will be update with the next database dump in approximately 2 weeks.Matthias Buchmeier 12:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I did not know it was automatically updated. Thanks. --82.198.250.2 11:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


Using the dictionaries in a closed source software[edit]

Hi Matthias. Nice work compiling those bilingual dictionaries from wiktionary dump. I would like to create a small mobile phone dictionary software and I wonder if it is ok to use your german dictionary, provided I add a link to your page or to wiktionary web page. Does the licences allow this kind of usage ? Regards. Charlie137 10:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes the licence does allow re-use, for details have a look at [3]. Matthias Buchmeier 12:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

mola[edit]

Hi Matthias. We've not really crossed paths before. I like to add some Spanish entries form time to time, (I live in Spain, btw). I have followed your entries a bit, and I have seen you are a good, serious, consistent contributor. I don't know where you live, but if you live in or visit Spain, you will have heard the word "mola" or the phrase "mola (un) montón" - meaning approximately, "that's great" or "that rocks" It has been around quite long enough to merit a Wikt entry. But here's my problem. It seems to be a highly defective verb form, i.e. it seems to be a verb with only one form - mola. I really have no idea how to make a decent entry. Your input would be very much appreciated. Cheers. -- ALGRIF talk 13:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I currently live in Germany, but I travel to Spain frequently and my wife is a native Spanish speaker. You could add it as usage example or in a section Usage Notes at the pages molar (I already did that) or mola, or add i.e. mola un montón as a separate entry. The latter has the disadvantage, that some user might potentially think your entry is SOP and delete it. Matthias Buchmeier 13:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. The entry looks just fine. -- ALGRIF talk 14:17, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:es-noun/new‎[edit]

This is 'ready', see this edit in my sandbox which shows no bugs. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

It seems OK to me now. However the syntax of {{es-noun}} is not compatible with {{es-noun-mf}}, which accepts mpl parameter for masculine and fpl parameter for feminine forms respectively, while for {{es-noun}} the plural has to be specified as second unnamed parameter. So you should be very careful with bot-replacements, i.e. your replacement on page vendedor still doesn't work correctly with {{es-noun/new}} (wrong plural). This kind of parameter incompatibility might IMHO also cause errors when unwary users, familiar with {{es-noun-mf}} switch to the new template.Matthias Buchmeier 12:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Not quite right; it doesn't have to be a second unnamed parameter as it accepts {{{p}}} or {{{pl}}}. It wouldn't accept mpl for a masculine noun, though, only the three previously mentioned. Having said that, I think it could be made to work that way, albeit in such a silly way it would be saner just to correct the entries. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I just figured out, that {{es-noun}} already handles the dual gender case correctly. For dual gender noun mf has to be specified rather than m or f as gender parameter, then the template will determine the gender of PAGENAME on its own. See me latest edits on vendedor and vendedora.Matthias Buchmeier 12:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think anyone (certainly not me) thinks that all the es-noun-* templates should be orphaned as soon as they fail RFD (if they do, of course). I suspect such an orphaning wouldn't be done at least until the summer, for reasons you've gone in to above and on User talk:MglovesfunBot. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Hacienda[edit]

Wouldn't this be lowercase? Mglovesfun (talk) 16:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

No, after DRAE hacienda in the meaning of THE governmental department dealing with finances and taxes is uppercase.Matthias Buchmeier 12:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Translations from an Xml dump[edit]

In reference to a prior conversation, Conrad's script is already written in Python, but it has a lot of stuff in there for creating indices, and he's been busy outside Wiktionary for weeks. What I'm looking for specifically is something that:

  1. Parses out tranlations, by language
  2. Could be a standard Wiktionary module in PyWikipedia

Do you want to do that? ~ heyzeuss 09:02, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry but my Python knowledge is very poor and I currently don't have the time to learn it. Anyhow my code does quite simple regexing, so someone knowing Python well could IMHO easily translate it to Python. On the other hand I could help you to modify my code to fit whatever output format you need if AWK is OK for you.Matthias Buchmeier 10:07, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, gotta figure out how to run AWK on Windows, because I'm just another assimilated drone. :) I've just barely stuck my toe in the water with Python. I would like a list with English words that have Finnish translations, their translations in Finnish, and senses. Tab separated is usually easiest to deal with. I'll take a look at getting AWK onto my machine here, first. ~ heyzeuss 11:51, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
You actually need Gnu-Awk AKA Gawk, which has some extended regex functionality that I use. There are Windows versions available eg. on gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/gawk.htm or you can install Cygwin (www.cygwin.com) which brings preconfigured versions of most unix programs, however at the cost of occupying a bit more disk-space. Matthias Buchmeier 13:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Installed Gawk, ran without any modifications: "bzcat enwiktionary-20110331-pages-articles.xml.bz2|gawk -v LANG=Finnish -v ISO=fi -f trans-en-fi.awk|sort >en-fi.wiki". However, the output was an empty file called "en.fi.wiki." Can you give any pointers? ~ heyzeuss 14:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
This command-line requires, of course, to have bzcat and sort (both standart programs on unix) installed and to be in the path. Alternatively you can unpack the dump with whatever unpacker you have at hand and then run: gawk -v LANG=Finnish -v ISO=fi -f trans-en-fi.awk enwiktionary-20110331-pages-articles.xml >OUTPUT.TXT which should give you then same result but unsorted. Of course gawk, trans-en-fi.awk, and enwiktionary-20110331-pages-articles.xml must be in the path, or otherwise the respective full paths given on the command-line. I hope that helps you.Matthias Buchmeier 14:54, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that helps. It works with a bare xml file. Sort is also the name of a Windows command that does the same thing. Thank you for your help. :) ~ heyzeuss 17:51, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey Matthias, thank you for continuing to maintain this. I'm still benefiting from it, two years later. It is nice to get updates on the Finnish dictionary from time to time, especially since it is constantly growing. I've migrated from a Blackberry to an Android phone which has some dictd-ready apps. This is good because I no longer have to convert your dict files into eBooks for use on my Blackberry, and it shows that your efforts are getting attention from app developers. It is hard to find good dictionaries for strange languages such as Finnish, so again, thank you. :) ~ heyzeuss 17:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

zwar[edit]

Moin. Du hast vor einiger Zeit einen Eintrag zu zwar erstellt und dort als Übersetzung certainly und indeed angegeben. Ich habe dies kürzlich gelöscht, da mir diese Bedeutung in meinem gesamten mit Deutsch-Leistungskurs gespickten Leben noch nicht untergekommen ist. Duden gibt eine Mittelhochdeutsche Form mit Übersetzung für "fürwahr" (indeed) an, aber Mittel- und Hochdeutsch werden hier als verschiedene Sprachen behandelt. Da ich Dich ob Deines Nachnamens spontan als Süddeutschen einstufe, bestünde vielleicht die Möglichkeit, diese Bedeutung als dialectal nachzutragen. Woher hast Du diese Übersetzung und möchtest Du sie belegen und wiedereinfügen? Andernfalls würde ich sie weiterhin gelöscht lassen, da sie nach Duden maximal als archaic, und selbst das nur mit Bauchschmerzen, gelten könnte. Freundlicher Gruß, Dakhart 01:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Need a favor[edit]

If you have a minute of free time, do you think you could translate the book quotation I added to Pornografie? It's rather more grammatically involved than I'm comfortable attempting... — [Ric Laurent] — 16:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

That quote sounds horribly screwed up, in a way typical for humanistic sciences, to me. Anyhow I've tried to do my best to translate it. Matthias Buchmeier 10:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it did look kinda odd... I figured it was just too advanced for me, but I'm glad to know it wasn't all me :) At least it wasn't a philosopher, though, I find nobody rambles on more about absolutely nothing than they do. — [Ric Laurent] — 10:50, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

PPP[edit]

You might want to check out what your bot's done to Portuguese past participles — [Ric Laurent] — 15:45, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

feed Portuguese bot[edit]

Hi MB, I heard you've moved into the sleazy world of bot-creating Portuguese verb forms. I've got a few I'd like you to add entries for. Is there a feed page for Portuguese verbs? Maybe on User:BuchmeierBot/FeedMe you could add a section for Portuguese, which would be most lovely. --Rockpilot 14:34, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I have added a Portuguese section to User:BuchmeierBot/FeedMe.Matthias Buchmeier 09:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

BuchmeierBot[edit]

I found a Portuguese verb which had an incorrect conjugation table, distribuir. BuchmeierBot generated some incorrect entries from that table. What should I do about it? RFD? Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 17:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the forms, which are incorrect according to the Portuguese wiktionary. Is their conjugation table correct?Matthias Buchmeier 10:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. There is one mistake in their table, the 2nd person singular infinitive is distribuires but should be distribuíres. You deleted it anyway, so it's all fine now. By the way, I've created the conjugation template needed for distribuir now. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 13:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Russian DB dump[edit]

Hi,

I like your translation DB dump. Could you repeat it for Russian, please? Do you accept requests for other languages? In particular, I'm interested in similar dumps for Mandarin, Japanese and Arabic. Your frequency lists look impressive too, perhaps you could share them on Wiktionary:Frequency lists. --Anatoli (обсудить) 22:48, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean an update of "English-Russian" from yesterday's dump? I do this regularly shortly after the dumps are updated (approximately 3 times a month); the update is on the way. Adding more languages is easily possible. For Arabic I'm not sure whether it makes more sense to include all dialects such as Egyptian, Morocan etc. or generate a dictionary for classical Arabic. Any hints? Matthias Buchmeier 11:04, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Yes, that's the one. So you do it quite regualrly! Awesome! There's also Index:Russian, which includes both the entries and translations but it's getting out of date rather quickly and it doesn't have English definitions, User:Conrad.Irwin must be busy with other stuff. Your DB dump looks more like a small dictionary in itself. Very useful for me, as I can see, which transliterations I need to fix. For Arabic I would include only Arabic (MSA), the dialect translations are of worse quality and the majority of standard Arabic words are also dialectal, with difference in pronunciation and frequency. Very eager to see English-Mandarin, English-Japanese and English-Arabic. If you say it's easy I'd like to ask you for English-Persian, English-Hindi and English-Vietnamese and English-Thai as well - languages I rather regularly make translations for (you already do English-French and English-German). But the other 3 are of a higher priority for me. Please consider adding your dictionaries to the main space categorised by languages they are for with some regular updates. Good luck and thanks for your efforts! --Anatoli (обсудить) 22:33, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Also, would be fantastic if you could do the FL-English dictionaries as well, like your "From Non-English Language Entries" section. :) --Anatoli (обсудить) 22:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Of course the intention to create these files was to have small offline-dictionaries. They can be used where you don't have internet access (which in spite of smartphones happens quite often) and moreover the search fuctionality of dictionary software as e.g. DING is much smarter and faster than an online search on en.wiktionary. I have just uploaded the English-Japanese dictionary. It took me longer than expected to generate the dictionary as some code modification was necesary. The point is that Japanese translations use to have nested template calls (mostly {{l}} but also {{t}}) inside the tr-parameter of {{t}}-templates. Do you know if this type of nesting is supposed to be encouraged? Maybe it would be helpful to add some Japanese Translations section describing the recommended formating to WT:About Japanese. Currently such a section is also missing in WT:About Arabic. The English-Mandarin and English_Arabic dictionaries also seem to takes me some more time (days), because Chinese Translations use to contain some special templates as {{zh-ts}}, while Arabic contains a zoo of dialects. Is English-MSA supposed to only include those translation lines beginning with * Arabic: and *: MSA:? What are the MSA ISO-codes? Are they only ar and arb? Maybe it would be helpful to add all Arabic dialects and corresponding iso-codes for reference as a table on WT:About Arabic. The generation of FL-English dictionaries is only easy when the formating of the FL-sections is more or less consistent. Unfortunately for most FLs quite the contrary is the case; the formating use to be very heterogeneous and inconsistent, as a consequence of historic change in formating policy and template use. Therefore it might require some cleanup work on the FL-sections before being able to generate a FL-English dictionary. Matthias Buchmeier 16:23, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. No, the non-standard templates are discouraged. Some bots generated additional templates inside {{t}} but I have been correcting this. Also, {{zh-ts}} and {{zh-tsp}} still appear. We have been converting this (me and Tooironic). Agree with the need to standardise translations and adding this into About pages. I'm a bit confused about your Arabic questions. Mixing MSA (simply "ar" is used not aware of "arb") with dialects would be messy. I don't think it's a very good idea (I'd like to have a list of translations where there is a translation into a dialect but not into MSA). Thanks for generating ja-en dictionary! --Anatoli (обсудить) 22:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
arb is the ISO-code for MSA - but probably three-letter ISO-codes (also arz etc.) should not be used in Arabic t-templates as this will break the linking to ar.wiktionary. The use of {{zh-ts}} in translations-sections is encouraged by WT:About Chinese, which states "This template may be used in places where both the simplifed and traditional versions should be placed side by side (ex. translations section for English entries).". If you don't want these templates to be used, they really should be explicitly discouraged in the section "Translations into Chinese languages/dialects/topolects". Matthias Buchmeier 10:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the misleading and the contradicting section, thans for the extracts! --Anatoli (обсудить) 01:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
For now I have included the variants
  • "Arabic|MSA|Standard Arabic"
and
  • "Mandarin|Central Mandarin|Jianghuai Mandarin|Northern Mandarin|West Mandarin"
and excluded
  • "Algerian| Andalusian|Bahrani|Chadian|Egyptian|Egyptian Arabic|Gulf|Gulf Arabic|Hassānīya|Iraqi|Iraqi Arabic|Lebanese|Lebanese/Syrian|Levantine|Levantine Arabic|Libyan|Moroccan|Moroccan Arabic|Morocco|North Levantine Arabic|Palestinian|Palestinian Arabic|South Levantine Arabic|Syrian|Sudanese|Tunisian Arabic|UAE"
and
  • "Amoy|Bai|Cantonese|Changsha|Chaozhou|Chengdu|Dungan|Eastern Hokkien|Eastern Min|Fuzhou|Gan|Guangzhou|Haikou|Hainanese|Hakka|Hangzhou|Harbin|Hokkien|Hui|Jian[']ou|Jin|Jixi|Liuzhou|Meixian|Min Bei|Min Dong|Min-nan|Min nan|Min Nan|Min-Nan|Nanchang|Nanning|Northern Hokkien|Northern Min|Northern Wu|Old Chinese|Pinghua|Shanghai|Shanghainese|Sichuanese|Southern Min|Southern Wu|Suzhou|Taiyuan|Taiwan|Taiwanese|Teochew|Tuhua Dong[']an|Ürümqi|Wenzhou|Wu|Wuhan|Xiang|Xiamen|Xi[']an|Xuzhou|Yangzhou|Yue"
for the MSA and Mandarin dictionaries resp.. This was only my very vague guess, and I don't know much Arabic or Mandarin. I would appreciate your suggestions on how to procede in the future. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 17:51, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
it all seems very complicated, thanks for your efforts. Perhaps if you continue doing it the same way, it'll be allright. I now have teh chance to check the translations easier. I noticed a strang thing, though. The translation of hyper- doesn't have a Chinese translation at all, only Japanese (which is actually the same in this case) - . Do you know what happened? --Anatoli (обсудить) 22:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
It's not so complicated. One only has to know or guess which variants are considered part of MSA and Mandarin resp., and which are are dialectal. 'hyphen-' is actually also there in the Chinese list. The problem is the sorting, which seems to ignore the hyphen and other special characters and therefore 'hyphen-' its placed between 'hypernym' and 'hypertension'. I've fixed this problem and will update it with the next extracts. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 10:29, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

slap in the face[edit]

Note I've added the figurative sense. The literal sense should probably be deleted, or at least soft-redirected. What you reckon? ---> Tooironic 12:22, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Isn't it also an insult, "that comment was a real slap in the face". Mglovesfun (talk) 12:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
So where would you suggest to put the translations for the literal SOP meaning?Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

corrections[edit]

Thanks for checking over my contributions, and correcting any formating issues. I hope to learn it all quickly --Cova (talk) 17:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Bilingual dictionary for Tamazight[edit]

Hallo Matthias. Would it be possible to create such list for Central Atlas Tamazight? It would be helpful. I think it can fit on one page because there are only about 100-200 translations. Maro 18:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

No problem, here you are: en-tzm (a-z). Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 12:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Vielen Dank :). Maro 19:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

A Question[edit]

Hallo Matthias,
Könnte dein Bot auch ein kurdisch-englisches Dictionary erstellen, wenn es dadurch nicht überfordert wird?Danke im Voraus.George Animal (talk) 16:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Englisch-kurdisch (aus engl. Übersetzungen) ist kein Problem. Für kurdisch-english (aus kurdischen Einträgen) bräuchte ich (zumindest für die Version mit arabischer Schrift einen Sortieralgorithmus). Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Englisch-Kurdisch würde ausreichen, wenn das klappte.Danke schön.Sehr lieb von dir.Liebe GrüßeGeorge Animal (talk) 16:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Willst Du Kurmancî und Soranî lieber in zusammen in einem Wörterbuch oder getrennt?Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 17:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Ich will dir keine Mühe bereiten, getrennt würde es besser sein, sonst würde man durcheinanderkommen als es zu verstehen.Du bist großartig.George Animal (talk) 17:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Es scheint im Moment keinen Sinn zu machen Kurmancî und Soranî zu trennen, da sie in vielen Einträgen gemischt vorkommen. Ich werfe dann das Skript an, das Wörterbuch sollte in ca 20 min fertig sein. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 17:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Du hast Recht.Ok so kannst du es machen.George Animal (talk) 17:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Ich weiß echt nicht, wie ich mich bei dir bedanken soll.Liebe GrüßeGeorge Animal (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Keine Ursache. PS: Falls Du Zeit und Lust hast die kurdischen Übersetzungen aufzuräumen, dann kann ich dir eine Liste mit fehlendem "Kurmancî/Soranî"-Nesting generieren. Sobald sie in den Übersetzungen sauber getrennt sind kann ich auch getrennte Wörterbücher erstellen. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 17:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Danke.Das wäre nett.Das werde ich gerne tun.George Animal (talk) 17:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

eine kleine Frage[edit]

Hi Matthias,
wie du sehen kannst, versuche ich gerade kurdische Verbformen zu erstellen; aber irgendwie es ist schwer das alles auf einmal zu schaffen, was manuell sehr schwer ist.Ich habe in der Teestube die Frage in die Runde geworfen, aber die Antworten waren wenig unpositiv.Niemand hat sich gertraut sich dieser Herausforderung zu stellen, nämlich die kurd. Verformen per Bot zu erstellen.Mglovesfun meinte, die Bot-Betreiber sollten sich mit der Sprache gut auskennen, was jedoch unmöglich ist, weil keiner von den Botbetreibern Kurdish kann.Ich wollte nun fragen, ob dein Bot das könnte?.Ich weiß, dass du kein Kurdisch sprichst.Wenn er es nicht kann, könntest (musst du nicht) du mir einen Vorschlag machen, wie dieses Berg aus Verbformen überwinden könnte?Liebe Grüße an dich.GeorgeAnimal. 09:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi George,
die Verbformen per Hand zu erstellen ist tatsächlich keine gute Idee, da extrem zeitaufwändig und fehleranfällig. Ich könnte die Verbformen per Bot erstellen, traue mich aber nicht, da fehlerhafte Einträge in der Regel manuell korrigiert werden müssen, und per Bot schnell viele tausend Einträge entstehen. Kannst Du denn irgendeine Programmiersprache? Wenn Du es schaffen würdest den Wikitext für die konjugierten Formen irgenwie automatisiert zu erstellen, dann ist der Rest ganz einfach.Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 10:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Matthias,
danke für die rasche Antwort.Leider kann ich keine einzige Programmiersprache, das ist ja das problem, sonst hätte ich es wie du es oben erläutert hast, erstellt.Deshalb habe ich die Befürchtung, so viele fehlerhafte Formen zu erstellen, was spater einen großen Aufwand bedeuteten.Danke trotz-dem.Dann erstelle ich sie halt manuell.All die Formen von den Verben, die jetzt eingetragen sind, zu erstellen, würde mich ein paar Wochen kosten, da ich auch sehr wenig Zeit habe.Sonst hätte ich sie in einer Woche erstellt.Deinen zweiten Vorschlag mit Wikitext, habe ich nicht so ganz verstanden.Könntest du ihn erläutern für mich.Danke und liebe GrüßeGeorgeAnimal. 13:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi George, als Programmiersprache funktionieren auch z.B. Word, Excel, oder die Such- und Ersetzfunktion in deinem Texteditor. Die automatische Erstellung kann z.B. so funktionieren, dass Du pro Verbtyp eine Textdatei erstellst, die alle zu generierenden Einträge (im Wiki-Format) enthält. Damit der Bot die einzelnen Einträge unterscheiden kann steht am Anfang jedes Eintrags:

{{-start-}}
<<<EINTRAG-NAME>>>

und am Ende:

{{-stop-}}

Du kannst pro Konjugationstyp eine solche Textdatei mit allen zu erzeugenden Einträgen erstellen, wobei Du z.B. die Platzhalter im jeweiligen Template wie {{{1}}} usw. benutzen kannst. Dann kannst Du einfach für jedes Verb die Platzhalter {{{1}}}, {{{2}}}, {{{3}}}, u.s.w. mit den jeweiligen Werten ersetzen. Wenn Du soweit bist, dann kann ich die Seiten für dich mit meinem Bot hochladen, oder Du installierst den pywikipedia-Bot selbst auf deinem PC. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi,
kann dein Bot mit existierenden Konjugationsvolargen etwas anfangen?Wie hier [4], hier usw.Liebe GrüßeGeorgeAnimal. 17:43, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Einige Verben mit Vorlagen: dîtin, teqandin, kelandin, qelandin,cemidandin.GeorgeAnimal. 17:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Nicht ohne Weiteres,
ich brauche wie gesagt eine Datei die z.B. (für ku-conj-tin) folgendermaßen aussieht:
{{-start-}}
<nowiki><<<</nowiki>{{{2|}}} {{{6}}}{{{3}}}{{{1}}}im<nowiki>>>></nowiki>>
==Kurdish==
 
===Verb===
{{head|ku}}
 
# {{ku-verb form of|{{{2|}}} {{{4}}}in|1|s|g}}
{{-stop-}}
 
{{-start-}}
<nowiki><<<</nowiki>{{{2|}}} {{{6}}}{{{3}}}{{{1}}}î<nowiki>>>></nowiki>>
==Kurdish==
 
===Verb===
{{head|ku}}
 
# {{ku-verb form of|{{{2|}}} {{{4}}}in|1|p|g}}
# {{ku-verb form of|{{{2|}}} {{{4}}}in|2|p|g}}
# {{ku-verb form of|{{{2|}}} {{{4}}}in|3|p|g}}
{{-stop-}}
 
u.s.w. für alle zu erzeugende Verb-Form-Einträge
Dann kann man z.B. mittels {{subst:User:George Animal/ku-conj-tin-alleFormen||bîn||di|dît|bi|}} (wenn diese Datei User:George Animal/ku-conj-tin-alleFormen heißt) alle Verb-Form -Einträge für dîtin erzeugen und anschließend per Bot hochladen. Ich hoffe meine Erklärung war verständlich genug.
viele Grüße Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 10:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Vielen dANK:

PS:Der Bot hat alle Einträge des Verbs gotin für das Verb gotin erstellt.Fehlt es etwas an meiner Vorlage?.Liebe GrüßeGeorgeAnimal. 16:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

vegotin ist ein anderes Verbs , unterscheidet sich vom gotin durch präfix ve-.GeorgeAnimal. 16:40, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Sonst stimmen alle vom Bot erstellten Formen von dîtin.Danke , sehr nett von dir.GeorgeAnimal. 16:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Nächstes Mal werde ich die Verben als Verben mit Suffix kennzeichnen, damit keine falsche Formen entstehen.GeorgeAnimal. 16:46, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Das liegt wohl daran, dass im Template User:George Animal/ku-conj-tin-alleFormen anscheinend noch Fehler sind. Ich habe die Forman mit {{subst:User:George Animal/ku-conj-tin-alleFormen|bêj||di|got|bi|ve}} erzeugt. Kannst Du bitte die Einträge in Zukunft durch hinzufügen von {{subst:User:George Animal/ku-conj-tin-alleFormen|PARAMETER}} in User:BuchmeierBot/FeedMe-Kurdish erzeugen und dann überprüfen (im Wikitext mit (edit)) ob alles korrekt ist? Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Ok ich werde es machen, und die Einträge konrollieren, ob die Formen da auch stimmen.GeorgeAnimal. 16:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
PS: es sieht so aus, als ob in User:George Animal/ku-conj-tin-alleFormen jeweils

# {{ku-verb form of|{{{2|}}} {{{6}}}{{{4}}}in|1|s|g}}

und nicht

# {{ku-verb form of|{{{2|}}} {{{4}}}in|1|s|g}}

stehen sollte, d.h. Du hast den Parameter Nr. 6 vergessen. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:59, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Ja, der beim Infinitiv und einigen anderen Formen.Warum habe ich das übersehen.Enschulddigung.GeorgeAnimal. 17:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Ist nicht weiter schlimm, korrigiert nur bitte die fehlerhaften Einträge. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 17:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Ich habe den Fehler behoben, siehe das verb vegotin.Die Formen von -andin stimmen, habe getestet und werde nun checken, ob es irgendwelche Fehler gibt.Dann schreibe ich sie mit {{subst:User:George Animal/ku-conj-tin-alleFormen|PARAMETER}} in User:BuchmeierBot/FeedMe-Kurdish schreiben.GeorgeAnimal. 17:45, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Es scheint zumindest bei vebibêjim, vegotiye, und vedibêjim noch Fehler zu geben. Kannst Du die Einträge bitte nochmal überprüfen? Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 09:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Ich hatte sie vergessen, aber jetzt korrigiert.Bei den Formen von Verben mit Endung -andin, scheint alles richtig zu sein.Dein Bot leistet gute Arbeit.Das Kurdische dankt dir für dein Bemühen.Liebe GrüßeGeorgeAnimal. 14:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Danke super geworden.Ohne deine Hilfe wäre im am Ende.Ich werde gleich eine Seite für die Verben mit Endung -irin machen.Diesmal werde ich noch die Konjunktivformen hinzufügen.Beim -andin habe ich vergesen.Geht es wenn ich sie später nachtrage?.Ist das OK für dein bot?.GeorgeAnimal. 15:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Das Nachtragen von Fromen ist OK, da nur Einträge ohne kurdisch Abschnitt erzeugt werden. Pass bitte nur sorgfältig auf, dass es keine Fehler gibt. Diese müssen nämlich in der Regel von Hand korrigiert werden, was ab einigen hundert Einträgen (die man per Bot sehr schnell schafft) sehr anstrengend wird. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 15:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Dein Bot könnte jetzt weiterhin die Formen von Verben mit Endung --andin erstellen.Ich habe die erstelletn Einträge kontrolliert.Sie stimmen.Mit anderen Formen werde ich mich noch beschäftigen und die Fehler beheben ggf. was hinzufügen.Liebe GrüßeGeorgeAnimal. 15:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Matthias
Sollen die verneinte Formen erstellt werden oder sind sie ueberfluessig?Ich habe die verneinte Formen in die Tabellen hinzugefügt.So siehst besser aus.Liebe GrüßeGeorgeAnimal. 15:58, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Da sie sich von den nicht-verneinenden Formen unterscheiden, denke ich sie sollten auf jeden Fall erstellt werden. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:02, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Matthias
Ich habe gerade PywikipediBot heruntergeladen.Ich bin der Anleitung auf Wikibooks gefolgt, aber irgendwie kann ich mich nicht anmelden.Ich habe mit Editor die Datei mit userconfig.py erstellt unter der Hauptdtaei pywikipedia.Aber wenn ich auf mcd die Code eingebe, erscheint wieder dieser Editor, die ich bearbeitet habe mit dem Inhalt:lang= username= ... usw.Was könnte das Hauptproblem sein?Danke im Voraus.GeorgeAnimal. 16:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Bei mir heisst die Datei user-config.py und hat folgenden Inhalt:
family = 'wiktionary'
mylang = 'en'
usernames['wiktionary']['en'] = 'BuchmeierBot'

Ist schon was länger her, dass ich den PywikipediBot configuriert habe, aber es ging bei mir ohne Probelme. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 08:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

BuchmeierBot: incorrect Portuguese conjugations[edit]

Hello. The conjugation table for progredir was incorrect. As a result, BuchmeierBot created the following incorrect entries (in all cases the last <e> should be an <i>):

I will fix the conjugation table soon. — Ungoliant (Falai) 01:02, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've deleted the erroneous forms, and will rerun the bot to create the missing forms. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 09:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
You deleted the lemma! Oops! — Ungoliant (Falai) 15:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Riesenlob[edit]

Hi Matthias
Zuerst möchte ich ein Riesenlob für dich aussprechen meinerseits , was Erstellung der kurdischen Verbformen per Bot betrifft.Habe auch 'ne Frage, was die verneinten Verbformen betrifft. Wie soll ich das ausdrucken: Geht das so: First-person singular present negative form of {{{verb}}}.Liebe Grüße--GeorgeAnimal. 10:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
For Spanish negative imperative, it looks like in pidas. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 10:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Not all qualifiers are glosses[edit]

Hi, BuchmeierBot is changing all instances of {{qualifier}} to {{gloss}} in French definition lines, but many of them are not glosses and should remain {{qualifier}}. —Angr 15:55, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

No it's not changing all instances. I am running the bot in manual mode, that means I will check for each replacement, if it makes sense, before submitting. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what {{gloss}} says, but I thought the use of {{gloss}} in definitions was correct; I never use qualifier in a definition line, I either use context or gloss. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
People use {{qualifier}} on foreign language (FL) definition lines in order to qualify the English translations rather than the FL-entry, i.e. most commonly {{qualifier|UK}} and {{qualifier|US}}. I have also seen, that sometimes {{qualifier}} is used as replacement of {{context}}, which probably does no harm, as the main difference between them is that {{context}} categorizes while {{qualifier}} doesn't. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
(ec) I'd say a gloss is a brief statement indicating which meaning of a polysemous English word is intended, e.g. mole (animal) vs. mole (dark spot on the skin) vs. mole (unit in chemistry), etc. The ones I've changed back from {{gloss}} to {{qualifier}} are [5], [6], and [7]. These are further explanations about how the French word is used; they are neither glosses of the English word nor contexts in which the French word is found. —Angr 16:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Your back-changes look OK. Maybe I have been a bit too precipitate. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 17:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Indonesian and Malay dictionaries[edit]

Hello Matthias,
A new Wiktionary user here. I like the dictionaries on your user page. Is it possible to add more lists for English-Indonesian and English-Malay? They will be useful for Malay speakers and learners. :) Really appreciate your help, thanks! Raymondhs (talk) 19:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I have generated and uploaded the English-Malay dictionary. For Indonesian there seem to be many variants, e.g. Acehnese, Balinese, Banjarese, Buginese, Javanese, Madurese, Minangkabau, Sundanese etc. . Could you tell me which variants should be included/excluded in the dictionary? Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 09:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading the en-ms dictionary! I think it's better to just include the standard Indonesian; it's the most widely used in Indonesian literature. It will be a bit messy to include the other local dialects. Raymondhs (talk) 09:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

eine Frage[edit]

Grüß dich Matthias
ich habe ein Problem mit der Vorlage template:ku-noun, nämlich ich kann die Pluralformen nicht blinken lassen.Ich habe Mglovesfun gefragt, aber hat nicht darauf geantwortet.Dann dachte ich an dich.Könntest du es reparieren?Wenn es nicht geht, dass kannst es lassen.Meine liebe Grüße--GeorgeAnimal. 09:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Versuch es selbst zu reparieren. Du solltest am besten zuerst Kommetare mit Zeileneinschüben einfügen, um es lesbarer zu machen. Dann zähl die Klammern, bestimmt sind welche zu viele, zu wenig, oder stehen an falscher Stelle. Viel Glück. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 10:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Könntest du diese Formen erstellen [8].Einige davon hat der Bot erstellt, jetzt habe ich die negativformen hinzugefügt.Danke und Gruß-.--GeorgeAnimal. 11:58, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

eine Bitte[edit]

Hi Matthias!
Ich hatte pywikipediabot heruntergeladen, der ordner war leer.Dann habe ich, die Angaben auf metawiki befolgt und habe eine datei mit dem Namen login.py mit dem Inhalt (name, family usw.) erstellt und diese befindet sich jetzt im ordner oywikipediabot.Wenn ich über die Konsole name und passwort des botes eingebe, dann erschein name des botes aber darunter steht usernames is not defined.Muss ich noch etwas anderes machen um mich überhaupt einloggen zu können.Danke!GeorgeAnimal. 10:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Hast Du user-config.py (siehe oben)? Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 14:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
user-config.py bei mir hat den folgenden Inhalt:
family = 'wiktionary'
mylang = 'ku'
usernames['wiktionary']['ku'] = u'the name of my bot'
console_encoding = 'utf-8'
Den Python-link auf Desktop habe ich zum Pfad bei der Umgebungsvariable hinzugefügt, davor eine Semikolon gesetzt.Über cmd kann ich mich irgendwie nicht anmelden.
--Liebe Grüße--GeorgeAnimal. 17:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Versuch es mal aus dem pywikipedia Verzeichnis zu starten. Ausserdem musst Du natürlich den Botnamen korrekt setzen (es muss ein gültiger account auf ku.wiktionary sein . Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 08:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
HI
Ich habe den Bot heruntergeladen und funktioniert jetzt einwandfrei.Schwirerigkeiten habe ich beim Hochladen einiger Dateien.Wie erstellst du neue Seiten mit deinem Bot.(Oben habe ich gelesen, aber mir fehlt die Grundlage)?--GeorgeAnimal. 12:28, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Geht eigentlich eine Datei z.b. dict.txt Für kurdisches Wiktionary:
<<-start->>
(((diqelînim)))
== {{=ku=}} ==
{{tew|ku}}
 
=== Wate ===
#1. kes dema sade a niha ji lêker [[qelandin]]
 
<<-stop->>
<<-start->>
(((amade dikî)))
 
== {{=ku=}} ==
{{tew|ku}}
 
=== Wate ===
#2. kes dema sade a niha ji lêker [[qelandin]]
<<-stop->>
Dann:
  • pagefromfile.py [global-arguments] -start:{{-start-}} -end:{{-stop-}} -file:dict.txt
Stimm es so, wenn ich konjugierte Formen per Bot erstellen will.Habe versucht, aber da erschien ein Text mit dem Inhalt:
Traceback (most ....)
  • File pagefromfile.py

... UnicodeDecodeerror 'uft-8' codec can't decode Liebe Grüße--GeorgeAnimal. 10:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Natürlich nicht, start, end, titlestart, und titleend müssen natürlich zusammenpassen,

hier wären es z.B. <<-start->>, <<-stop->>, ((( und ))). Die runden Klammern funktionieren allerdings nicht ohne weiteres (regex Sonderzeichen), nimm besser z.B. <<<. Ich hoffe das hilft dir weiter. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 11:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Matthias
Danke.Jetzt habe ich es geschafft.meines Bots Beiträge.Ich habe einen Antrag auf Flag gestellt und warte noch auf das Endergebnis.Liebe Grüße--GeorgeAnimal. 15:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Glückwünsche. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Wenn er Status als Bot kriegt, hoffe ich dich und deinen Bot mit dem Erstellen kurdische Verbformen zu entlasten und gegenebenfalls das zu übernehmen.--GeorgeAnimal. 16:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Translation targets[edit]

Given the massive amount of German entries that describe in one word what English uses several words for, would you put any limits on what would be allowable as a translation target, other than being a single word in another language? For example I've come across Lieblingstrick, so does tat justify an English entry for favorite trick and favourite trick? What about boat travel for Schifffahrt? Mglovesfun (talk) 10:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I would restrict its usage. I think the purpose of a translation target entry is to be able to find the translation of an English term in language X. If the translation follows in a straight forward way from the standard translations of the English parts, then I think the entry is superfluous. Whether the translations is single-word or multi-word is IMHO irrelevant as this depends on the grammatical features of the language, as has been pointed fairly well. On the other hand, in the above example Lieblings- is the usual translation for favourite and can be used in combination with practically any noun, and trick is the usual translation for German Trick. The same is true for Schifffahrt and boat travel, so in that case someone with some basic knowledge of German could infer the German translations and the English entries are not needed. What I would propose as translation-target-CFI is something like a requirement to have: either i) idiomatic translations, or ii) translations that cannot be easily inferred from the translations of the English parts. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 11:39, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


Ding-Wörterbücher[edit]

Hallo Matthias!

Vielen lieben Dank für die Ding-Dumps! Ist es möglich, auch non-english Wörterbücher zu erstellen? Ich wäre an polnisch-russisch interessiert.

Nochmals Danke für Deinen Beitrag,

Bob

Das sollte sich relativ einfach aus en-pl und en-ru kombinieren lassen, wenn Du ein wenig programmieren kannst. Leider habe ich im Moment keine Zeit dazu, ich werde aber sicher später darauf zurückkommen. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 09:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I look for Arabic - English Dictionary[edit]

Dear Matthias I look for Arabic-English or Arabic-Turkish dictionary.If you can help on this subject,I will be glad to you.My e-mail address : a_r_agaoglu@yahoo.com

You can follow the download-link Here, to get the English-Arabic dictionary extracted form en.wiktionary.org. This archive contains files to be used with ding or dictd compatible programs, e.g. goldendict and many more. However the coverage of English-Arabic translations on en.wiktionary is not very complete yet. Another better open-source English-Arabic dictionary can be found from arabeyes project, a dictd version of this dictionary can be downloaded from freedict. I hope that helps you. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 13:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Votes/2012-10/Enabling Tabbed Languages[edit]

Since you voted in the recent Beer Parlour poll about Tabbed Languages, I'm informing you of this ongoing vote on whether to enable Tabbed Languages. --Yair rand (talk) 08:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Ruakh#Taking over from Tbot[edit]

Anatoli mentioned here that you might be able to make more indices. Perhaps the rest of the conversation would be interesting to you as well? Thanks —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:08, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Multi-gender f-p, m-p, n-p, m-f, etc. for Russian, German, French, etc.[edit]

Hi,

Could you please change your awk program to generate the for the English-Russian dictionary as well? Russian nouns can have two or even three genders and have a gender and be plural. The change applies to other languages as well. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 21:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok I will fix that immediately. I've overlooked the n-p gender as it doesn't show up in Category:Gender and number templates, however there seems to be no template {{m-f}}. Is there any other new gender template that I forgot about? Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 23:05, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, it must only apply to gender + plural, not mixed genders :). I've checked Category:Russian nouns with multiple genders and Category:Russian proper nouns with multiple genders, they still use mf, mn, fn and mfn parameters (there are no templates for them). Perhaps need to watch out for any changes? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I missed that development and not sure exactly what's going on. Some nouns still use "np" (neuter plural), see дрова. I don't know who to ask but I saw you changing the program for Spanish, so suggested to change that. Don't change anything for the moment, we need to clarify what's happening. Sorry for the confusion. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:25, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Reinstating my edit (Trendsetter is not a translation of hipster)[edit]

Hi,

I've answered here: User_talk:Gronky#hipster. I wasn't 100% sure when I made my first edit, so I commented out the translations instead of straight deleting them, but I've now done a bit of checking and the English and German Wiktionaries indicate that my edit was right, Trendsetter isn't a correct translation of hipster. Gronky (talk) 03:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Add to Italian dictionary and add a Friulan dictionary[edit]

Mandi Matthias, I am very new to this and have no idea how to do this myself so I have 2 requests. 1. Can you add "Primus" to the Italian dictionary. It means first and it is also a surname (It happens to be mine). 2. I am looking for a Friulan (Furlan) dictionary and would love it if it could be added. Friulan is spoken in the Friuli region of Italy. Thanks for any help you can give me :-) Monica65 (talk) 19:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Monica, You can add your surname yourself. If yopu don't know how to format that, have a look at the wiki-code of some other Italian surnames in Category:Italian surnames (you can click the edit bottom at the top of the page to show the page's wiki-code). With regard to the Friulan, it might be added as soon as somebody interested in that language joins the project. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 14:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Your index subpages[edit]

I just wanted to let you know that I've found your indexes (like User:Matthias Buchmeier/en-pt-a, etc.) helpful, but there is one thing I don't understand. Why do you include trans-see results in with the rest? I can't see what purpose they would serve, and they take up quite a bit of space on these pages. Ultimateria (talk) 21:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

The idea to add the trans-see results is for use as offline dictionary. But as the the en-pt index is quite small there are a lot of trans-see links without a Portuguese translation. I think that I will exclude the trans-see results for Portuguese with the next update.Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

ascendancy[edit]

Could you possibly add the German translation for this word to the translation table, please? Thanks, Razorflame 21:47, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Feeding the bot voseo[edit]

Hi MB. Do you think you could add an extra bit of code so as to create the vos forms of Spanish verbs? Something like llamá and llamás should do it. --Shegashega (talk) 01:32, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi WF. I could do that, but rather than hardcoding the forms into the bot I'd like to have them added to the conjugation tables, from where I could easily pull them, whithout having to think about it. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
There's a conjugation template that does that with regular -ar verbs and one that could work for all verbs. However, and much to my chagrin, these are not yet put into the the main template, but the vos additions could be easily implanted into that template, just that I can't do it as I'm not admin anymore. --Shegashega (talk) 17:04, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
It looks OK, although I'm not sure about the subjunctive forms. While eswiktionary lists the same forms as your template and I now that those are the forms in use in Argentina/Uruguay the DRAE doesn't list them for some reason. Maybe let's ask the community the might know more about it. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 20:41, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I've meanwhile looked up wikipedia about the issue, and it agrees on the subjunctives, although those are regionally quite diverse as the other forms too. I've also noted that your modification of Template:es-conj doesn't take the vos forms as optional, so it will break all conjugation templates (quite a lot) that doesn't have the vos forms added yet. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 20:52, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
This could be a case of asking people who know both templates and Spanish. I'm comparatively crap with templates, despite my 8 years experience on the website. -WF
  • Hi again. You may be interested to know that Template:es-conj-ar has finally been updated, and now allows the vos form. As a result, there are plenty of red links in the verb tables. Hoping that you implement any changes into the bot code. Thanks--ElisaVan (talk) 10:31, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Finnish-English offline dictionary[edit]

Hello, I very appreciate your work in making the conversion script. I have a question about words declensions, would it be easy to parse them from a dump, or are they generated dynamically? This would help many people studying Finnish; I haven't seen any offline dictionary which provides declensions yet. Ilinov 86 (talk) 23:55, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they could be parsed from the dump, however I didn't include them as there are probably alot and they might flood the dictionary. If you have the possibility to run the parser script you can try to modify the Finnish configuration to see what you get. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 18:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I have done it in a slightly different way, I got a list of Finnish words from your dictionary and then parsed the website. I put my full text dumps here, it may be useful for people studying Finnish https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Ilinov_86 Ilinov 86 (talk) 13:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Would you mind posting the script used to generate these dictionaries? People interested in other languages might benefit from it. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I can, but the problem is that there is no single script, I had a big amount of gawk one-liners to clean up and format the text. And even after that I had to do some extra by hands to compile the dictionary (though I think it worked OK with GoldenDict in Linux). The reason is that tens of pages contained some human-made mistakes in formatting. Well, probably I should have been more responsible and corrected them also in Wiktionary :( I can upload the scripts but it will require awk knowledge to adjust them for another language, though they may save some time Ilinov 86 (talk) 09:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
If you don't have the time or don't feel like correcting the missformated entries you could try to upload a list with some diescriptions of whats wrong (if not obvious) under Wiktionary:Todo. Probably sooner or later someone might take care of it. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 23:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Feature request: Remove transliteration[edit]

First of all, congratulations for the wiktionary dumps, they are very useful. I just have one request. Could you add an option to remove the transliterations for non-latin scripts? I am Greek, and I find the constant presence of transliterations very distracting. On a different note, I am using your dumps to create .dsl (goldendict, fora) versions of the dictionaries. Is that something that might interest you? They are plain text files, but the format offers some nice formatting options. My coding skills are very limited, I couldn't really follow your code and incorporate my changes into it. So, this is what I've got for now:

#!/bin/sh

# script copied and modified/improved from the # DingMee Translator: http://chrm.info/cms/dingmee-translator # GNU General Public License either version 3 of the License, or # (at your option) any later version.

if [ $# -ne 2 ] ; then echo "Usage: $0 <INPUT> <OUTPUT>" exit fi INPUT=$1 OUTPUT=$2

sed -e '1s@^# \(.*\) :: \([^ ]*\).*$@\xef\xbb\xbf#NAME "\1-\2 Wiktionary"\n#INDEX_LANGUAGE "\1"\n#CONTENTS_LANGUAGE "\2"\n#SOURCE "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Matthias_Buchmeier"\n#LICENSE "Distributed Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/); GNU Free Documentation License"\n\n@' -e '2,5d' $INPUT > $OUTPUT

#Clean up Greek transliterations perl -p -i -e "s@ */.*?/@@g" $OUTPUT

#Remove cross-references perl -i -pe 's/^.* +SEE: +.*\n//g' $OUTPUT

#Make goldendict entries perl -p -i -e "s@(.*?) +:: +(.*)@\1\n\2\n\t\[i\]\[c gray\]\1\[/c\]\[/i\]\n\t\\\ \\\ \\\ \\\ \2@g" $OUTPUT perl -i -pe '!/\t/ && s/, +/\n/g' $OUTPUT perl -i -pe '!/\t/ && s/ *[\{\[\(].*?[\}\]\)] *//g' $OUTPUT

echo "Ready. Generated file: $OUTPUT"

My code is really a bit difficult to understand because it has be written in a very ad hoc way. This is because the formating of the wiki-code is not yet well settled and changes quite frequently, so it doesn't make much sense to write more structured code. I could add an option to remove the transliterations, that shouldn't be difficult, but it should also be easy to remove them later on, as with your script. Does your script above still have any probelms in doing so? (I'm not a perl expert, so you probably have to try and debug it yourself). Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 20:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. My script simply removes everything it finds inside pairs of slashes (/). (It is just the one line headed with «Clean up Greek transliterations»). I did find errors, which was unavoidable, because slashes could appear for other reasons (then again, it might just be bad wiki formatting). Anyway, I am thinking that in the original dump the transliterations might be more unequivocally shown, which would make their removal less error-prone. Jenniepet (talk) 23:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Slashes should be rather rare, and if you limit the characters allowed to apear inside transliterations there should be hopefully no more errors. Anyhow it ideed would be nice to mark transliterations more unequivocally, do you have any suggestions? For now I've excluded the Greek transliterations. The dictionary update should be finished in a couple of hours.Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 23:57, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I think there is a misunderstanding here. What I meant is, in the original Wiktionary you get e.g. {\{t+|el|τρένο|n|tr=treno}\}. In your dictionary, you see τρένο /tréno/. If you want to remove the transliteration using a regex, the first version is more unequivocal and much easier to work with. But I do think that putting the transliterations inside slashes is a nice way of presenting them in the final document. P.S. Should I have placed this comment at the bottom of the thread? I'm not sure. 83.217.147.107 16:10, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
You may need to discuss this with the community. What is bad for a single person, may be quite useful for the majority. I personally don't find transliteration distracting or useless, especially for languages I don't speak or know very little about. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
This is precisely why I proposed having an option to remove them, exactly like with pronunciations. I think there are cases where they can be very useful. For example, for people who don't have a Greek font or Greek keyboard installed. Also, I think that in languages such as Mandarin, transliterations are used as a pronunciation tool, even for native speakers. On the other hand, I've never seen a Greek dictionary (bilingual or monolingual) containing transliterations. So, I think it is safe to say that most users of an English-Greek dictionary will not be expecting transliterations. And now I'm curious whether there are any Russian dictionaries that show transliterations. 83.217.147.107 16:10, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Russian translations with stress marks[edit]

Hi,

I noticed a new problem with the Russian translations. Translations automatically remove stress marks (and can transliterate automatically). In User:Matthias_Buchmeier/en-ru-a terms with stress marks link incorrectly, e.g. абба́тство, instead of абба́тство. Do you think you can fix it? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 11:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

That should be quite easy but it requires some cyrillic character replacement list. Do you know which module actually performs that task?Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 17:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Nevermind, I've already found it in Module:languages/alldata. I'll see what I can do.Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, is it not Module:links? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The work is done by Module:links, but the data is pulled out of Module:languages/alldata.Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Meaning of tranquilícese[edit]

Hi, you created the entry for tranquilícese and defined it as "Compound of the formal second-person singular (usted) imperative form of tranquilizar, tranquilice and the pronoun se" – but what does the word mean in English? O'Dea (talk) 19:23, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

It means calm down!. I've added the meaning to the page.Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Gracias. O'Dea (talk) 03:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Feeding the bot[edit]

Hi, since I can't edit user subpages, I'm feeding the bot here with Spanish verbs ocluir and derruir. --ElisaVan (talk) 10:46, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've moved the feedpage to the talk section. I hope you can edit it now. As soon as I find the time to adapt the bot bot code to the new format with vos-forms I'll run it and probably also create some vos forms. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
PS common one-off verbs like hacer still need vos in their conj-tables (and the vos forms should be created). Thanks! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Special characters[edit]

Hi Matthias, thank you for generating the English-Hungarian index. It is very useful, especially since the Index:Hungarian was not refreshed since 4/28/2012. Just one comment. I've noticed that when the translation table contains a word ending in a special character (such as mi? = 'what?'), the translation table correctly links to the word without the question mark mi, but your list points to the word+question mark combination which will not exist. Previously, I used the {t|hu|mi|alt=mi?} format in the trans table, but today I discovered that the {t|hu|mi?} format correctly links to 'mi'. Not sure how this would impact the Index:Hungarian if it is ever refreshed, or if this is something you want to consider in your code. Thanks again. --Panda10 (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

The reason is the same as discussed above in thread 'Russian translations with stress marks'. Links are now generated via a Lua module on a per language basis. I can generate the correct links for Hungarian, when I find some time to copy the corresponding replacement lists. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 19:46, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Asturian index[edit]

Hi MB, happy new year to you. Would it be possible for you to create an index of Asturian entries, like the ones you've made for other languages. It'd be useful to see if any new entries can be created, or are missing, from the translations sections. Thanks and keep up the great work! --ElisaVan (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

multilingual dictionaries, awk script discussion[edit]

Hi again. First of all, thanks for including the transliteration option in the awk script.
I have been working on it, so here are a few things that caught my eye:

lang=="Indonesian|Standard Indonesian|Stabdard";
replace with:
lang="Indonesian|Standard Indonesian|Standard";
 
lang_qualifier="|Serbain|Bosnian|Croatian";
replace with:
lang_qualifier="|Serbian|Bosnian|Croatian";
 
TR=gensub(regexp, "\\1\\5 {{\\4}}", "g", TR);
			regexp = "(\\{\\{t\\|("iso")\\|[^}]*)(\\|)([mfnspc])(\\}\\}|\\|[^}]*\\}\\})";
			TR=gensub(regexp, "\\1\\5 {\\4}", "g", TR);
			TR=gensub(regexp, "\\1\\5 {\\4}", "g", TR);
replace with:			
TR=gensub(regexp, "\\1\\5 {\\4}", "g", TR);
			regexp = "(\\{\\{t\\|("iso")\\|[^}]*)(\\|)([mfnspc])(\\}\\}|\\|[^}]*\\}\\})";
			TR=gensub(regexp, "\\1\\5 {\\4}", "g", TR);


I have modified the script to give me machine-readable output so that I can modify it further with something that isn't awk. But I also tried to get it to produce multilingual dictionaries. The problem was that when I specified LANG="French,German" your default exclude_lang options didn't work cumulatively, and I ended up with entries for Old High German, etc. I worked around this issue by separating the lang_exclude from the other language specific options and using this syntax:

if(lang ~ /French/) exclude_lang = exclude_lang "|French Creole|Old French|Middle French|Gallo";
instead of the original:
if(lang=="French") exclude_lang = "French Creole|Old French|Middle French|Gallo";

I actually tried to do the same with the other language related parameters (iso, lang_qualifier, etc) but it wouldn't work. So, I kept only exclude_lang. I think this change is something that you might be interested in incorporating, so I'm including my code in the end.
One problem with my approach is that sometimes a language is found both in exclude_lang and LANG or ISO. At the moment, exclude_lang overrides LANG, but it should be the opposite and I don't know how to add code for that. (I can always use manual excludes I guess).
There's one thing I haven't understood. If I define LANG="French|German" apparently I don't need to also define ISO. But what happens if I define ISO="de|fr" or ISO="fr|de|el"?
Anyway, I'm closing with my updated script. If you're interested only in the exclude_lang syntax, just copy the first 250 lines. If you or anyone else is interested in using it as a whole, here's an example of the output:

bridge :: {n} {{sen*replacement for teeth}} :: {{t|fr|bridge|m}}, {{qual*Canada}} {{t|fr|pont|m}}; {{t|de|Brücke|f}}

And here's the script itself:

I've removed this since it was taking far too much space. I'll probably publish my wiktionary2dsl script somewhere when it's finalised. In the meantime, you can email me for a copy. Jenniepet (talk) 09:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Jenniepet (talk) 07:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I ran your script for French and it didn't move all instances of gender outside the brackets. I think your relevant code is this:
#			regexp = "({{(t|t[+]|t[-]|tø)\\|("iso")\\|[^\\|}]*)(\\|)([mfnspc])([^}]*}})";
 
			regexp = "(\\{\\{t\\|("iso")\\|[^}]*)(\\|)([mfnspc]\\|[mfnspc])(\\}\\}|\\|[^}]*}})";
			TR=gensub(regexp, "\\1\\5 {\\4}", "g", TR);
			regexp = "(\\{\\{t\\|("iso")\\|[^}]*)(\\|)([mfnspc])(\\}\\}|\\|[^}]*\\}\\})";
			TR=gensub(regexp, "\\1\\5 {\\4}", "g", TR);
But I couldn't figure out how to correct it, so I added this instead:
$0 = gensub(/(\{\{t\|[^}]*)(\|(impf|pf))(\}\}|\|[^}]*\}\})/, "\\1\\4 {\\3}", "g", $0);
#jen added 3 lines to move gender, number outside t-template
$0 = gensub(/(\{\{t\|[^}]*)\|([mnfcsp]\|[mnfcsp]\|[mnfcsp])(\}\}|\|[^}]*\}\})/, "\\1\\3 {{\\2}}", "g", $0);
$0 = gensub(/(\{\{t\|[^}]*)\|([mnfcsp]\|[mnfcsp])(\}\}|\|[^}]*\}\})/, "\\1\\3 {{\\2}}", "g", $0);
$0 = gensub(/(\{\{t\|[^}]*)\|([mnfcsp])(\}\}|\|[^}]*\}\})/, "\\1\\3 {{\\2}}", "g", $0);
I also noticed that there were some sub,sup,u,small html tags in some dictionaries.
Other things you might want to take into account are below. I used Perl to remove this left-over formatting:
perl -i -pe 's/<nowiki>([\[\]\{\}])<\/nowiki>/\\\1/g' $FILE
perl -i -pe 's/\{\{unsupported\|//g' $FILE
perl -i -pe 's/\{\{,\}\}/,/g' enwikta.temp
perl -i -pe 's/\{\{NNBS\}\}/ /g' enwikta.temp
perl -i -pe 's/\{\{\qualifier, see also\: /\{\{qualifier/g' enwikta.temp
perl -i -pe 's/.*\{\{not used\|...?\}\}.*\n//g' enwikta.temp
Jenniepet (talk) 09:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Jenni, thanks a lot for your feedback. I know that there are issues with gender templates, which have changed a lot over the last couple of weeks. I didn't yet have the time to look at this, but will certainly correct these problems sooner or later. The other fixes are instances of very rarely used templates. The problem with this is that there is a huge zoo of possible templates which might be used occasionally and it requires a lot of work to keep track of all of them. I will also include these proposed fixes before the next dictionary update. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 18:29, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Bot work[edit]

Hey Matt, are you planning on running BuchmeierBot for Spanish verb forms any time soon? --Type56op9 (talk) 17:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I didn't yet have the time to adapt the bot code to include the voseo forms, but I will positively run the bot in the nearer future. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)