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Template:hu-pos

Most declension table templates I've seen here use the native-language pronouns, not English translations. --EncycloPetey 23:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Just to pick a random one from each language, la-conj-4th-depon does not, he-conj-pa'al-'ef'ol-sh'leimim does not, de-decl-definite_article does not, ja-decl-na does not, ko-conj-verb does not, fr-conj-cevoir does (for some of its headers), cy-mut-D does not (but isn't an inflection form really), ga-verb-conj does not, es-conj does (for some of its headers), and it-conj-are does (for some of its headers). Seems those that do are more the exception than the rule. And even the fr-, es-, and it- templates I just mentioned, that do list them, at least also indicate in English what person is being discussed, which hu-pos did not (it only listed the person in Hungarian, without any explanation in English of what person it was, and without even a link to the corresponding Hungarian pronoun entry!). Moreover, I think that English text makes a lot more sense on enwikt (although I suppose it's not strictly necessary if some indication in English is given as to what person it is, as for the fr-, es-, amd it- tempaltes).—msh210℠ 23:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I said declension templates. You've cited conjugation templates, many of which simply number the person rather than giving the English pronouns. --EncycloPetey 23:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Er, the distinction between conjugation and declension here seems to to be one without a difference. The templates I cited:

• la-conj-4th-depon: This uses the English words "active", "third", "singular", "present", "participles", etc. It uses no Latin words (in the meta content. Of course it does in the data).
• he-conj-pa'al-'ef'ol-sh'leimim: This uses the English words "singular", "infinitive", "feminine", "present", etc. It uses no Hebrew words.
• de-decl-definite article: This is a declension template (not, again, that I see that that makes any difference), and uses the English "plural", "masculine", "dative", etc. It uses no German words.
• ja-decl-na: This, too, is a declension template, and uses the English "degree", "adverbial", "attributive", etc. It uses the Japanese equivalents of these words, too, in parentheses immediately after these words. (Note that hu-pos did not even do that: it just used the Hungarian words.)
• ko-conj-verb: This uses the English "interrogative", "plain", "connective forms", "contrast", "determiners", etc. For some of these it uses the Korean counterpart in parentheses immediately after. (Again, hu-pos did not even do that: it just used the Hungarian words.)
• fr-conj-cevoir, as I said, does use French words ("je", "nous", "il", etc.), but note that it does so only in the column that is already indicated by the English "singular", "second", etc. Otherwise, it uses English: "indicative", "present", "subjunctive", etc.
• cy-mut-D: This uses the English "radical", "soft", aspirate", etc. It uses no Welsh words.
• ga-verb-conj: This uses the English "1st" (yes, that's English, not Irish), "sing.", "autonomous", "future", "imperfect", etc. It uses no Irish words.
• es-conj: Same as fr-conj-cevoir.
• it-conj-are: Same as fr-conj-cevoir.

I await your further comments.—msh210℠ 19:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I can change the first column of hu-pos (currently labeled possessor) as follows:

• 1st person singular, 2nd person singular, 3rd person singular
• 1st person plural, 2nd person plural, 3rd person plural

Will that work for you? --Panda10 23:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Beautifully, and I appreciate it. Maybe keep the Hungarian pronouns also (à la the Romance templates I've mentioned above)?—msh210℠ 06:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)