User talk:Sanya3

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Again, welcome! Mglovesfun (talk) 20:54, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

без[edit]

This entry cannot be placed in Category:Ukrainian prepositions, since there is no Ukrainian section on the page. --EncycloPetey 00:29, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't really know how to create a Ukrainian section. I mostly work on Ukrainian wiktionary. There is also no template for Ukrainian prepositions. You guys just don't have it. So, even if there was a Ukrainian section, it would still have to be done manually.--Sanya3 00:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
No, it would not. We have a general template {{infl}} that could be added as {{infl|uk|preposition}} in the Preposition section. --EncycloPetey 00:34, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
The {{infl}} template doesn't work. I added it to край and it is not showing that it's a preposition or putting it into the category of Ukrainian prepositions.--Sanya3 00:49, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
It did work, and it did add the page to that category. however, as I already told you, that template and category must not be added unless there is a section on the page defining/translating the Ukrainian preposition. As I warned you, you have now been blocked. Please use this time to learn Wiktionary minimum content standards. --EncycloPetey 00:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
THERE IS A UKRAINIAN SECTION ON THAT PAGE! AND IT DID NOT WORK! SEE FOR YOURSELF!--Sanya3 00:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
There is no Ukrainian preposition section on that page. Since you choose to shout, and will not listen, I see no point in continuing to explain things to you. --EncycloPetey 00:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
There is a Ukrainian section on край. It's #3 on the bottom. Are you blind?--Sanya3 00:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
This is completely unfair and inappropriate behavior from an administrator.--Sanya3 01:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
This is the last attempt I will make to explain it to you. There is no section on that page for a Ukrainian preposition. Look again at the many times I have said this to you. There is a section on that page only for a Ukrainian noun. A noun is not a preposition. Each part of speech has a separate section. A preposition category must not be added unless there is a section about that preposition. --EncycloPetey 01:01, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, I understand. Can you unblock me, so I can create a Ukrainian preposition section there?--Sanya3 01:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
You could have first explained it to me, instead of just blocking me. That's an inhumane approach to people. I merely tried to do what you told me to do.--Sanya3 01:11, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I have created a Ukrainian section for без (bez). Please try to be nicer to other contributors and follow the rules. --Anatoli 23:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks.--Sanya3 23:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

край[edit]

This page cannot be added to Category:Ukrainian prepositions, since there is no information on the page about such a preposition. A "Preposition" section must be added first. --EncycloPetey 00:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

If you do not stop tagging pages inappropriately, you will be blocked. --EncycloPetey 00:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I am tagging inappropriately. These are Ukrainian prepositions. Why don't you create a Ukrainian section, instead of just going around deleting my useful information?--Sanya3 00:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
If you are not willing to create the section, please do not tag the page. Categories are for information that exists, not for information that is not there. --EncycloPetey 00:34, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Why are you blocking me? I did not refuse to follow the format. I simply explained my reasons. And I did not make a single change after you warned me!--Sanya3 00:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
You continue to add inappropriate categories, as I warned you not to do. You must add information about a word before placing the word in a language and part of speech category. We only categorize information that exists, not information that does not exist. --EncycloPetey 00:54, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Dude, I did not add any more inappropriate categories. There is a Ukrainian section on that page.--Sanya3 00:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Interwikis[edit]

Just to save use time patrolling edits, could you please just let bots add interwikis. This is a request from me rather than a 'rule'. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I tried giving the bots time to add interwikis. But after they didn't do it in a day or two I just added them myself. The bots don't seem to be very active here. At least, not nearly as active as on Wikipedia.--Sanya3 21:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Can I be sure that the bots will put the interwikis through?--Sanya3 21:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Please don't worry about interwikis, we don't create interwikis manually for identical words, only for some categories, which are obviously written in a different language. The interwikis will be created eventually and they will have the right format, order and will affect all linked wikis, not just one. --Anatoli 23:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

двигун внутрішнього згоряння[edit]

Please don't create ill-formatted entries. It takes longer to fix than to create a new one. I'll fix this one but please start learning. --Anatoli (обсудить) 01:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Your entries are badly formatted, please stop and take a look around. --Anatoli (обсудить) 02:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I am used to working with templates on the Ukrainian wiktionary. Is there some sort of a template for Ukrainian entries in the English wiktionary?--Sanya3 02:05, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
The Ukrainian entries you have just created in the Ukrainian Wiktionary are just as bad, sorry. You might need to go and fix those! You can try looking at existing entries by part of speech, look at the Russian entries, there are more Russian entries than Ukrainian. I have created the Ukrainian section of без#Ukrainian as you requested, it actually the minimum format, you could just reuse but change the part of speech. --Anatoli (обсудить) 02:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you saying the Ukrainian templates are bad? Because that's all I use. Russian entries are way worse. Most Russian entries for Ukrainian words have no definition and no translation. Just the word and the fact that it's Ukrainian. Let's let the Ukrainian admins judge the quality of Ukrainian pages and stick to the questions at hand.--Sanya3 02:37, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
No, I'm referring to the English Wiktionary's Russian entries, not the Russian wiki. The Ukrainian entries you have created look like this [[|який]] [[|завгодно]], which I find ugly. You saw how двигатель внутреннего сгорания, You could have copied and modified. Be careful with parts of speech. Not everything that has spaces is a phrase. I have no idea why you made двигун внутрішнього згоряння a "phrase". For transliteration, see WT:UK TR.
Just stick to this format for now, if you need more, you can ask me. Note, there are no Ukrainain declension or conjugation templates and you can't simply use Russian like you did with маршрутка.
==Ukrainian==

===PART OF SPEECH===
{{infl|PART OF SPEECH|tr=TRANSLITERATION}}

# DEFINITION

For nouns you need g, eg. g=m (masculine).
Some parts of speech have additional templates - {{uk-noun}}, {{uk-verb}}, {{uk-adj}}. If the template doesn't exist, you can use {{infl}} (the part of speech is a parameter after |, like I did for який завгодно. --Anatoli (обсудить) 02:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
OK, Thanks for the info. As far as the | in [[|який]] [[|завгодно]], that's a template issue. I have no idea how to get rid of that. In the template you just put in the word in front of the = sign and it comes out like that.
As for the parts of speech, how can you say that three words are a noun? If it's not a phrase, then it's at least a word combination. Is there a template for a word combination?--Sanya3 05:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Это сложное слово - a compound word, но все равно имя существительное. Кстати, не стоит добавлять интервики вручную, боты это обязательно сделаю, без ошибок и в нужном порядке. --Anatoli (обсудить) 09:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Интересно, но в русском и украинском викисловарях, сложные слова все равно проходят как словосочетания.
Это не совсем правда. Я постоянно нахожу несоединенные странички, особенно с некоторыми языками. Такими как китайский, например. Очень часто существует посылание с английского на китайский, но ни в каких других языках его нет. Такое же случается и с другими языками. Но я точно знаю, что если я сам их проставлю, то они точно там будут, и не надо думать проставят их боты или нет. Этому я еще в Википедии научился.--Sanya3 02:42, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Советую все же придерживаться стандартов английского Викисловаря. "Словосочетание" не используется как заголовок для части речи. Есть фразы, типа который час. Если мобильный телефон, mobile phone - существительные, значит, и мобільний телефон - тоже имя существительное. Попробуйте создать. Гарантирую, что в течение суток интервики будет на месте. Не стоит тратить на них время. --Anatoli (обсудить) 11:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Да, интервики, созданные вручную, могут быть пустыми, неправильными или не в том порядке. Боты их не исправляют. --Anatoli (обсудить) 13:24, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
На русской страничке написано что ru:мобильный телефон - это «устойчивое сочетание» (а на украинской было бы написано «словосполучення»). Я никогда в жизни не слышал что-бы два слова в русском языке назывались именем существительным, хотя с детства знаю русский.
Я встречал такой феномен, когда я создавал украинские странички, добавлял интервики и ждал когда боты проставят по другим языкам. Через несколько дней проверил и оказалось что боты проставили, но не по всем языкам. Особенно почему то боты не проставляли в корейском и вьетнамском викисловарях, насколько я помню, и пару других. Получается что боты делают только частичную работу и полагаться на них нельзя.--Sanya3 23:34, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Если вы хотите менять нормы, объяснитесь в WT:BP, меня тема изменения существующих норм не интересует, я их соблюдаю. Если вы настаиваете, что мобильный телефон, mobile phone не существительные, об этом должны знать другие редакторы, чтобы не удивляться, что кто-то будет удалять или менять ваши записи. --Anatoli (обсудить) 00:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Я не говорил об изменении каких-то норм, а попросил посмотреть на русскую страничку, которую не я делал. Какие-то странные люди в wiktionary. Все на конфликт лезут.--Sanya3 10:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki for templates[edit]

Please add interwikis between <noinclude></noinclude> tags, because without them, the interwikis appear on users' pages. Maro 21:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. I just realized that.--Sanya3 22:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Related terms[edit]

These go at level 4 (====Related terms====). Only languages go at level 2. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks--Sanya3 (talk) 21:36, 1 April 2013 (UTC)