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We have some blocks that spell out NOEL so I changed them round to spell LONE and then ENOL. How do you pronounce enol? I found a couple of YouTube videos such as Keto-Enol Tautomerism where it's pronounced /ˈiːnɔl/, but I was thinking it was /ˈɛnɔl/. Phenol also lacks a pronunciation section, and I looked enol up in my dictionary and it's not listed. Help? Mglovesfun (talk) 20:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

  • enol certainly rhymes with phenol (and eugenol). I have never gotten around to learning IPA - but it is a long "eee" (as in tea) followed by "knoll" (the little hill). So it doesn't rhyme with Tylenol or xylenol (short "e" as in "test"). Stress is on the first syllable. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
    Is that how you pronounce Tylenol? With a short "e"? I've never heard any pronunciation other than TYE-luh-knoll (i.e. /ˈtaɪ.lə.nɔʊl/). --WikiTiki89 23:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
    You could be right. I may never have actually heard it pronounced (not used in the UK). SemperBlotto (talk) 08:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Thik Mark[edit]

Hey, SemperBlotto. Curious as to the removal of the etymology offered for 'tick mark'. This was the etymology offered me my whole life; while I am now away from my library (and have no Oxford Unabridged nearby), I even remember a dozen references of former military Brits stationed in India, who adopted 'tick' in the Hindi form of 'good, acceptable' in their everyday lingo.

Did you remove it because you know a more accurate etymology, or because you'd never heard this one? —This unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

  • I assume you decided to edit Wiktionary without ever using it first. Otherwise you would have noticed that our entries are strictly formatted. You added plain text after the final interwiki link. You should have added a properly formatted ===Etymology=== section near the top. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah. A thousand apologies. I'd have thought that poorly formatted information might be corrected, not excised. I'll be more cautious to adhere to orthodox expression in the future. It does make me wonder how much good information has been lost to the aether due to poor formatting, and the tendency to delete the poorly formatted, rather than correct it. —This unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

Rollback on the entry editor[edit]

I would like to ask for the reason. --Kc kennylau (talk) 11:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't believe that edit is derived from editor - rather the other way round. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Please kindly refer to the etymology of edit. --Kc kennylau (talk) 11:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
      • I'm not convinced. The OED has the same, but first states that it comes from the Latin. Feel free to reinstate your addition if you want to. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:07, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
        • I am no expert on etymology, but you may think this way: editors were the people working at a newspaper company to write an article or stuff, with little relation to editing. --Kc kennylau (talk) 11:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


I would like to create a category for the German verb conjugations without an existing link of the conjugated words. If you permit me to do so, I am able to do it all by myself. --Kc kennylau (talk) 12:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • No way I can stop you. But make sure it is named correctly. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Since English is not my native language, please suggest a name to me for the name of the Category. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
  • It would seem to contain the names of German verbs. Therefore should be named something like "German verbs having red links in their conjugation table". However, if it is meant to be a temporary category, to be used by you alone, then you could call it something like "Kc kennylau test category" - and remember to get it deleted when you have finished with it. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

p.s. While we are on the subject of verbs and verb forms, I notice that you are creating German verb forms but using "head|de|verb" - this puts them, incorrectly, into the category "German verbs". SemperBlotto (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • What is the correct way? And what about the name? Thanks in advance. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • See abalienierst as a typical German verb form that seems to be correctly formatted. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:27, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Please do not avoid my question about the suggested grammatically correct name. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
        • I think I have answered that above. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
          • Oh, a million apologies. Please forgive me. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that is a lot of work to do. P.S. This category is still incomplete since not all pages are purged. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • It might be a good idea if I take time out from what I am doing, and try to make the bot SemperBlottoBot do the work for you. Please carry on for the time being - I shall use your verb forms as education. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • I believe that there is some error in my code and I will have to debug it before it keeps spreading. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Bug found. Now I have to work. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:14, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
        • Bug fixed. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
          • No bug found in implementing the second part of the project. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
            • Documentation of the affected templates updated. Project finished. This is a great request, but please purge all German verbs if you have time and if you want to. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
              • Removed all the "verb"s from "{{head|de|verb}}" manually. --Kc kennylau (talk) 17:05, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Request to adjective[edit]

I request to do the same to adjective declension tables. --Kc kennylau (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Request for using AWB[edit]

Please kindly look at my request, then please deny or accept it. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't know anything about AWB - never used it, don't know what it does. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Uncategorized German noun forms.[edit]

E.g. [[Hämoglobins#German]]. (Full list at User:Yair rand/uncategorized language sections/Not English#German.) —RuakhTALK 21:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Looks like somebody changed {{genitive of}}. Now I wonder who that might have been. Perhaps they'd like to fix it. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:08, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Ugh. Probably not, but I'll ask. Thanks. —RuakhTALK 03:00, 12 January 2014 (UTC)   Actually, I see now that she's started editing those entries to use {{head|de|noun form}}. (Which is a good change, but I don't see why she always finds it necessary to change things by first breaking and then fixing. And without informing affected parties. Ah, well.) —RuakhTALK 03:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I request again[edit]

User talk:SemperBlotto#Request to adjective. --Kc kennylau (talk) 03:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Don't be so bloody impatient. I'm busy! SemperBlotto (talk) 08:35, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Sorry but that was already 1 day before, and all you have to do is say yes or no. I apologize again for my impatience. --Kc kennylau (talk) 08:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


Why did you revert the French definition of recetter ? Please read and un-revert, thanks! Nicolas1981 (talk) 04:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I think that he reverted your edit because you used the noun heading and you did not provide any link. --Kc kennylau (talk) 08:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes. You called it a noun, gave it a headword of verb form, translated it without any linking and didn't give a conjugation table. Not much right with it really. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:34, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I was wrong indeed, it was the wrong heading! Sorry about that, and thanks for checking my mess :-) Nicolas1981 (talk) 05:44, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


Hey, pancontinental exists in Portuguese and so I put on the page. ArionEstar (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

{{de-decl-adj}}, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp}}, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp-nopred}}[edit]

I apologize if I am too active these days, but I have two suggestions of rework:

First suggestion: I would like to build 3 templates: {{de-decl-adj-pos}}, {{de-decl-adj-comp}}, {{de-decl-adj-sup}}. The first template will contain the positive form of {{{1}}}, the second template will contain the comparative form of {{{1}}}, and the third template will contain the superlative form of {{{1}}}. The three templates will have one more parameter, {{{nopred}}}, which, if is not empty, will disable the predicate. Then, {{de-decl-adj}} can call the three templates, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp}} can call the first template, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp-nopred}} can call the first template with {{{nopred}}} turned on.
Second suggestion: I would like to build only 1 template: {{de-decl-adj-table}}, with three parameters. {{{1}}} will be the stem of the positive/comparative/superlative form. {{{form}}} will be whether the adjective is in positive form, comparative form or superlative form. {{{nopred}}} will disable the predicate when turned on. {{de-decl-adj}} can call the template thrice, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp}} can call the template once, and {{de-decl-adj-notcomp-nopred}} can call the template once while turning {{{nopred}}} on.

Since you left a comment on {{de-decl-adj}} about me informing you, here is the mirror. --kc_kennylau (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


Could you please take a look at user Wingfai.angel's contributions. I just reverted an edit to space but none of their contributions seem constructive. SpinningSpark 00:25, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Notification made for your message at Template:de-decl-adj/documentation#Note[edit]

{{de-decl-adj}}, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp}}, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp-nopred}} have now been modified by CodeCat and me, and {{de-decl-adj-table}} has been created. This notification is sent to you because of your message at Template:de-decl-adj/documentation#Note. --kc_kennylau (talk) 05:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  • You do not seem to have changed the format of the parameters as specified in the actual usage of the templates. That is all I need to know. Thanks anyway. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
    • They have changed. The second parameter can now be - to indicate there are no comparative or superlative forms. In any case, this notice is premature because the template is still being worked on. —CodeCat 12:22, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
      • OK. Remember to update the documentation when finished. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
        • p.s. Are there cases where a comparative, but not a superlative exists? SemperBlotto (talk) 12:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
          • Yes, like erster and ersterer, but they have a different meaning. Therefore can I just say no. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
          • In a logical sense, if one word has a comparative form, it is comparable. When two things are comparable, one thing must be better than the other, therefore a superlative must exist. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
            • When comparing only two things to each other, the comparative and superlative are really synonyms. So it's feasible, if an adjective can only ever be used to compare two things, that it might not have a superlative. —CodeCat 13:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
              • But if one thing is better than the other, it must be the best among the two things... --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
What I really meant was:- will de-decl-adj be allowed to have a comparative followed by a hyphen for the superlative (or the converse)? SemperBlotto (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that is necessary, but I will implement this feature. --kc_kennylau (talk) 06:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

"sales" as an adjective[edit]

Why was my "sales as an adjective" addition rolled back? -- bob

  • That is not an adjective. It is just attributive use of the noun. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:45, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

It's an adjective too: among others... -- Bob

  • They are wrong. If you want to fight it, take it up at the Tea room. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

You are wrong and I have productive work to do and a life to live. Enjoy your private sandbox.

-- Bob


Why did you revert my edit here? Depressogenic IS a noun. And in fact, you even reverted my antonyms list. Could you please explain your revert? Porchcorpter (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

You probably need citations, see WT:CFI and the section on citations. Check for usage of the term in a noun sense on Usenet (found in Google Groups) or Google Books. That said, my understanding is that most words suffixed with -genic can sometimes, and in rare instances, be used in a noun sense, but they are not 'true nouns'. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 01:28, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for your information. But anxiogenic is a noun. Porchcorpter (talk) 01:44, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I've done a search on Google Books, and on Google Search. And I found results on "depressogenics" (the plural of "depressogenic"). And even this category on Wikipedia is pluralized. Porchcorpter (talk) 02:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
So, SemperBlotto, why did you revert the edit? Porchcorpter (talk) 08:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
A quick search showed only the adjective sense. Also "An agent that causes or tend to cause depression" was bad grammar. Noun sense now added. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing it. Porchcorpter (talk) 08:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I've messed this up[edit]

So how can my creation of Mayor (surname) which I think has better content be fixed and the content moved to Mayor? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 10:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

  • This is not Wikipedia. i.e. Mayor (surname) is not a "word". Feel free to update the entry at Mayor, being careful not to be encyclopedic, and putting any etymology in the properly formatted ===Etymology=== section. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
@Dougweller: Please note that although Wiktionary and Wikipedia use the same system, Wiktionary is not Wikipedia. In Wiktionary, we do not create pages disambiguation, nor do we use parentheses to disambiguate. Moreover, please do not copy directly from Wikipedia, as we use a completely different format. Etymological entries use the templates From {{etyl|from-language|to-language}} {{term|to-language|the term}} to create a tree. frei would serve as a good example for the etymological entries. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough, thanks. However, the name doesn't appear to be Anglo-Norman but is a variant of Mayer as well as a Catalan variant of Major. But I won't try to fix it again unless I can figure out the syntax to show the various sources. I think I've fixed Enfield correctly but that probably won't stick as the editor who created it found a placename site that he thinks is superior to anything else. Dougweller (talk) 14:20, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

About my request in Beer parlour[edit]

I know that you do not use AutoWikiBrowser and are extremely unfamiliar with it. However, if I am enabled to use it, it will be much easier for me to do mass editing, as well as adding declension tables to the adjectives that you have given me. I beg you to respond to my request although you have little knowledge in its function. If you want to enable me to use AWB, you can simply add my name in WT:AWB. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

About German Update (take 2)[edit]

Could you please make a list of the {{de-adj}} usage without the first parameter, thank you. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:47, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

  • OK. I've got a program running. I'm off to cook dinner now - will check back later. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:07, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi, can you please delete blödeer and all the other forms mistakenly created by the declension table at blöde (that I just removed)? Only the predicative form ends in -e, the rest of the declension is just like the one for blöd. Thanks! Longtrend (talk) 19:03, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Teks is a malay word[edit]

Teks is a Malay and Indonesian word. The meaning of teks is text. It's a loan word from English. You could fine it in the official Malay dictionary (Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka). Malay have 2 type of writings. ABC letters and Arabic letters (Jawi writing). That's why there's arabic letters there. Hope you could find this useful :) Malaysiaboy (talk) 23:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Malaysiaboy: Yes, we know a few things about languages. I guess the revert was due to improper formatting. I have restored your contribution. Please pay attention to WT:ELE#Basics. Otherwise, welcome. Keφr 18:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

German update (take 3)[edit]

Thanks to User:CodeCat I now have a more complete list. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

List updated. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
List updated. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


I've sent you an email. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 10:16, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Perhaps you'd like to phone me up to say you have left a note on my talk page! SemperBlotto (talk) 11:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

The same mistake[edit]

Could you add some lines to the program of the bot so that it can prevent this mistake from happening again? I always make the same mistake...... --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

  • OK, I've made the same mistake myself. The bot now tests if the last 4 characters of the superlative are "sten"; if so, it issues a warning message and skips the adjective. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:37, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
    Thank you for your everlasting patience and your never-dying tolerance. --kc_kennylau (talk) 08:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
    Modified the code of {{de-decl-adj}} so that it can detect sten ending and fix it. Tested it in my sandbox. Worked. Your newly-added code to your bot and my newly-added code to the template shall work as a double lock :-) --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Please restore[edit]

Please restore eigenständigerer. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Deleted in error - done. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

About thy bot[edit]

Do you mind disclosing your bot working hours, out of curiosity? --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:04, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

  • It runs manually, whenever I feel the need. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Please join this conversation.[edit]

Please join this conversation if you like. :-) --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Please delete the following[edit]

--kc_kennylau (talk) 09:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

  • The first three entries were created again by your bot. Please delete them. --kc_kennylau (talk) 07:55, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

About thy bot again[edit]

Do you mind adding a few lines in your bot's code so that it can adapt to the comp2 and sup2 parameter in {{de-decl-adj}} <added>so that you do not have to do this edit</added>? Thank you. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:26, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[edit]

I can't even run, it gives me a syntax error at line 172 at the comma. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

  • No idea. Why are you trying to run a bot? SemperBlotto (talk) 17:00, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't even know why I'm trying to run a bot yet, but in the future I may be able to come up with something that may require bot. I still haven't created a bot account. --kc_kennylau (talk) 17:12, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
    • But as you have said, the documentation is just confusion. --kc_kennylau (talk) 17:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Being able to run bot scripts is useful even if you don't make edits with it. You can generate lists of pages for example. —CodeCat 17:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
        • So I need to login manually through API sandbox? --kc_kennylau (talk) 17:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I honestly can't remember. It is years since I had to login. I seem to remember that I just ran the bot and get a request for the password before it started. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Don't worry, I'd use API sandbox. --kc_kennylau (talk) 00:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I can use pywikipediabot now. Turns out that I used version 3. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
    • OK. Remember to get permission if you want to update the wiki using a bot. Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
      • I would be grateful if you could offer me help. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:48, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
        • You are welcome to ask help in running a bot from anybody who currently runs one. (Use the "Special page" called "User list" specifying Bots as the group). SemperBlotto (talk) 09:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
          • I am now learning python by myself at a considerable speed. I find that I am repeating your history. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:57, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
              • Don't forget what Karl Marx said "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." SemperBlotto (talk) 10:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
            • What would I do if I want to replace all "a"s to "b"s in a page? Assuming that I already have the page named as page. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
              • You could use a function somewhat like the following (where oldtext is your current page, "before" is the text to be replaced, "after" is the replacement. :-
def modit(oldtext, before, after):
   x = oldtext.find(before)
   if x < 0:
       return oldtext
   length = len(before)
   newtext = oldtext[:x] + after + oldtext[x+length:]
   x = newtext.find(before)
   if x < 0:
       return newtext
   return modit(newtext, before, after)
  • What exactly do I do to the packages? Because there are two packages, core and compat. Is the "core" necessary or what? Thank you in advance. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I don't understand the question (packages?). And, PLEASE, don't ask another question while I'm trying to reply to the first - It gives a very annoying "edit conflict" and I have to type it all in again! SemperBlotto (talk) 10:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
      • You can copy your text in the bottom frame in case of edit conflict. When you download PWB, there are two options (core and compat) in which I downloaded both. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
        • You probably only need the "package" that contains things like "wikipedia.pyc" and the modules that it calls. (My version is probably several years out of date) SemperBlotto (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
          • After reading mw:Manual:Pywikibot/Scripts, I think I know what they are for: core are the essential items, compat is all things. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
            • Do I need to have a consensus requested before testing my script? --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
              • I would recommend going to the Beer Parlour and telling people what you intend to do. You are always allowed to test your script (on a small scale) without permission. If it only reads (but doesn't update) then we won't even know that you are doing anything. I always first test such scripts by displaying the updated or added entries rather than updating the actual wiki. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                • UnicodeEncodeError: 'cp950' codec can't encode character u'\u2ff0' in position 116: illegal multibyte sequence --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                  • If you are reading from a text file - make sure it has been saved with encoding of UTF-8. Decode a variable using code such as "lemma = lemma.decode('utf-8')" SemperBlotto (talk) 11:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                    • I read this from page.get(). --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                      • ... and the very first line of your script should be "#coding: utf-8" (without the quotes) SemperBlotto (talk) 11:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                        • I used print text.decode('utf-8'):
                          • UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u53e3' in position 59: ordinal not in range(128)
                        • --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  • What is the term that won't decode? SemperBlotto (talk) 11:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC) p.s. You might like to start a new section of this talk page.
    • The Chinese character 口. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC) p.s. no :p
      • Ah! Outside my comfort zone. You will need to ask somebody else what decoding to use. Sorry. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
        • p.s See [1] - but I didn't understand it1 SemperBlotto (talk) 11:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
          • notice how it can read that character without .decode('utf-8') by looking at the position of both errors. Now it cannot decode this character. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I recommend talking to User:CodeCat. Doesn't speak Chinese, but does run a bot that understands exotic characters. (I can't get even some Portuguese to work properly) SemperBlotto (talk) 12:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Partially solved it myself using UTF-16. What would I do to do the equivalent of &action=submit in python? --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
      • The following is an example of adding a new (German) page to wiktionary - and of updating an existing one if it already exists. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
   page = wikipedia.Page(mysite, pagename)
   if page.exists():
       old_text = page.get()
       if not'==\s*German\s*==', old_text):
           contents = old_text + '\n\n----\n'  + newpage + '\n\n'
           commenttext_add = commenttext + " - appended"
           wikipedia.output(u"Page %s already exists, adding to entry!"%pagename)
           page.put(contents, comment = commenttext_add, minorEdit = False)
           wikipedia.output(u"Page %s already exists with German section, not adding!"%pagename)
       page.put(newpage, comment = commenttext, minorEdit = True)
  • Oh my god, I am screaming right now in my heart! Please excuse me, I'm so excited!!!! See this!!!!!! Thank you soooooo much!!!!!!!!!! --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Valles Marineris pronunciation[edit]


Could you add the pronunciation on Valles Marineris ? (I'm trying to complete fr:Valles Marineris)

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 18:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi. Do you have any evidence for the plural forms of Niemand? I doubt they exist. Longtrend (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

  • None whatsoever. Removed/deleted. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

p.s. Feel free to correct any of my German attempts at dictionary entries.

About my bot[edit]

How would I read pages from a text file and process them? Thanks in advance. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

  • I use something like the following. There is something strange about Python reading the first line - I always start (and end) the file with a null line. I've never gotten to the bottom of it. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:20, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
nouns = open('denouns.txt', 'r')
lemma = nouns.readline() # First line strange
while len(lemma) > 1:
    lemma = nouns.readline()[:-1]
    if len(lemma) > 1:
        lemma = lemma.decode('utf-8')
        findforms(lemma) # <=== This is where you process the entry
Thank you, but how to convert a string into a page? --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
You can construct a page like this:-
   newpage = "==German==" + '\n\n' + "===Noun===" + '\n'
   newpage = newpage + "your headword here" + '\n\n'
   newpage = newpage + "# your definition/translation here"
then feed it into your page.put routine. (\n gives you a newline) SemperBlotto (talk) 16:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Of course it won't read the first line, you called readline() twice. I get now what you say, comment discarded. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

L2 header[edit]

How would I use python to know which language section I'm working on? Assume I already have get = page.get(). --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:26, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Ah. You just have to analyze the page (using your programming skills), looking for "=="...."==". Being careful to ignore "==="..."===" etc. I have never needed to do so yet. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
    • But I don't know which header I'll be looking at. I can use re.compile(r'== ?([^=]+) ?==\r') if this is what you're talking about. --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
      • I don't know what that gobbledegook means. Your on your own really. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:40, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
        • No, that'd only look for "=="...."==", but I'dn't know which section it is. Wait... str.find()... --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

German conjugation[edit]

According to WT:ELE#Headings after the definitions, the conjugation section should come before synonyms and derived/related terms. —CodeCat 17:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Oh. I thought we put big tables after little sections. Anyway, whoever adds the conjugation (and it might be me one day) can move it to the proper place. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:19, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

p.s. I'm planning on comparing our conjugation templates with the ones on German Wiktionary, so that I can figure out what to code.

I used a different approach for the Dutch inflection tables, which works well. Instead of trying to replicate everything the table does, and how it interprets its parameters, the template is able to generate bot-readable output if you give it the parameter bot=1. So the bot only needs to do a template expansion, and it receives all the inflected forms in the table, but in a simple and neat format that the bot can easily understand. —CodeCat 18:17, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I meant - I'm figuring out how to code the actual templates for particular verbs (by seeing how the Germans code theirs). SemperBlotto (talk) 19:47, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
But we already have working templates, don't we? —CodeCat 19:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes - but I don't know how to code them for each particular verb - cause I'm only a de-1. It's part of my education. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I think the documentations are clear enough, aren't they? --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:37, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Let's take a nice, simple example - {{de-conj-weak}}. It says that we can code the 4th parameter as "e", and tells us what it does. But it doesn't explain when we might want to code it. By looking at other verbs, and looking at the German Wiktionary, I am guessing that we code it if the verb ends in -ten or -den. But I don't know that for a fact. I similarly think that we code the 5th parameter as "t" if the verb ends in -zen or -sen, but don't know it as a fact. Do we ever code both the 4th and 5th parameters? The documentation doesn't say. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
You're right, the templates are confusing and their documentation isn't terribly clear. In the example at hand 4=e for verbs ending in -ten or -den but also for verbs ending in -nen with a consonant before the -nen, e.g. regnen and ebnen because for those the 3rd person singular is regnet and ebnet, not *regnt and *ebnt. And 5=t for verbs ending in -zen, -sen, and -ßen. So I don't think 4 and 5 are ever both set at the same time. Lua should certainly be able to detect whether the stem ends in t, d, z, s, or ß, and maybe even if it ends in consonant+n, but until the templates get Luacized, we have to limp through with what we've got. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 08:18, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. By the way, I see you sometimes code 6=... instead of just adding a 6th parameter. The Lua form (if we ever get one) might need extra logic to understand that. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:22, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: But lernt for lernen may be a counter example of what you've just said? --kc_kennylau (talk) 08:24, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Writing 6= is the same thing as adding a 6th parameter, it just saves having to put in a bunch of pipes with nothing between them first. Kenny, you're right about lernt. The rule given in my grammar book is that the e is inserted not only after d and t but also after m and n when these are preceded by any consonant other than l or r, e.g. atmet and zeichnet but filmt and lernt. Also, verbs in -xen behave like those in -sen/-ßen/-zen, so x is another consonant to add to the list for when to set the 5th parameter to t. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 08:36, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
There's also no e after m and n if the preceding consonant is h, since h isn't pronounced there anyway: it's beschlagnahmt not *beschlagnahmet. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:02, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
My attempt (I'm a beginner to Python but know Java well) (not checked at all):
def generate_code_weak(title, separable_prefix=, contains_inseparable_prefix=False):
    prefix_len = len(separable_prefix)
    output = r'{{de-conj-weak|' + title[prefix_len:-2] + r'|'
    if contains_inseparable_prefix:
        output = output + title[prefix_len:-1] + r't'
        output = output + r'ge' + title[prefix_len:-1] + r't'
    output = output + r'|h'
    if title[-3] == 'd' or title[-3] == 't':
        output = output + r'|e'
    elif title[-3] == 'n':
        if not title[-4] == 'l' or title[-4] == 'r':
            output = output + r'|e'
    elif title [-3] == 'x' or title[-3] == 's' or title[-3] == 'ß' or title[-3] == 'z':
        output = output + r'||t'
    if prefix_len > 0:
        output = output + r'|7=' + separable_prefix
    output = output + r'}}'
    return output
--kc_kennylau (talk) 08:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

German adjectives, German verbs, now it has come to German nouns...[edit]

This is a category that you may wish to work on: Category:German nouns having red links in their declension table. I tried to create a script to do it but I failed. I may try to create it again in case you do not wish to do this. --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't think nouns should be put in this category if the only thing missing is the archaic dative. See Abgott as an example. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Also, some of these are false. It's the declension template that has been wrongly written. They all need to be looked at by a human. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:57, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
      • Thirdly, {{de-decl-noun-f}} has bugs in it. It often generates the wrong dative plural for example. See Ananas - the dative plural should be Ananassen, but it gives "Ananasn" - please don't create it! SemperBlotto (talk) 16:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
        • There is no bug. This solved the problem. The parameter in the f one is different from all the others. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

ισ ιτ σο ηαρδ το προσεσσ γρεεκ?![edit]

Is it so hard to process Greek (The title is not translation, it's transliteration)?! :O

I can't even do this!

wikipedia.Page(site, 'καππα')

I tried many method, I've tried them all, all didn't work. I even tried encode and decode combined, or decode and encode combine. I literally tried everything in the world. Please teach me. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:36, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I have never touched Greek (outside my local taverna). The only thing I can see wrong is your literal 'καππα':- unicode literals in Python have to be coded as u'καππα'. I suggest you talk to somebody who has botified Greek words (don't know who). SemperBlotto (talk) 16:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
    • I also tried prepending u, it just won't work. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:56, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
      It probably has to do with the encoding that you save the python script in. You will need to find out what encoding you are saving as and declare it in the python script (see here for how to do that). --WikiTiki89 21:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
      Either that, or you can use unicode escape sequences like this: u'\u03BA\u03B1\u03C0\u03C0\u03B1'. --WikiTiki89 21:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Do not try to hardcode unicode in a python editor. Save it to a file, encode as utf-8, and decode as you open the file. DTLHS (talk) 21:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
I am able to save files as UTF-8, and the Python interpreter reads them without any problems. I have to put u before string literals that contain non-ASCII characters, though. —CodeCat 22:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh my God, I checked the console encoding by chcp, found it's cp950, then used .encode('cp950') and it worked so beautifully. --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


There is a second plural form Komposita. Best regards --Yoursmile (talk) 22:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The term "ff"[edit]

Why shouldn't ff be a Category:Latin abbreviations? My research on it here showed it to contain at least some Latin. Cpiral (talk) 22:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Is it provably ("attestably") used in running Latin text? If not, then it is a Latin-derived abbreviation used in whatever languages it is attested in. If there are a few languages, we might put it in Category:Translingual abbreviations, which is probably underused for such abbreviations. DCDuring TALK 23:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

irregular conjugations (de)[edit]

You may wish to work in here. --kc_kennylau (talk) 05:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

On the comparability of geäußert[edit]

Hi, I see you removed the comparative/superlative forms of geäußert. While they are excruciatingly rare, I added them because of things like "der Ursprung wird geäußerter als vorher, macht sich objektiver im Draußen, als geglückteres Draußen, geltend". However, that's all I can find for the comparative, and I can't find the superlative at all, so I guess neither form is attested enough to meet CFI. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

  • The superlative just looked wrong to me. Feel free to reinstate them if you think it best. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:11, 5 February 2014 (UTC) p.s. I did look in Duden and the German Wiktionary first.
    • No, better safe than sorry. I guess a single instance of the comparative and none of the superlative isn't really enough to call it comparable. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

cosmic microwave background[edit]

Surely this is includable, unless it's merely a microwave background which is cosmic in nature. 14:01, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


Let's discuss why you felt that my edit to annulled needed reversion. Thanks! Technical 13 (talk) 20:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Many words that end in "ed" are not adjectives, though some are. A true adjective can be distinguished from a past participle by criteria set out at WT:English adjectives. DCDuring TALK 22:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Questionable rollback on axonotmesis[edit]

I added both the technical definition and a colloquial definition to the page axonotmesis. You excised my colloquial definition, (perhaps for my liberal use of the wiki formatting?), but I attest that the rollback is in err. A 'nerve crush injury' is a common term in the med-physio literature as an synonym for axonotmesis. I will add it back as a second definition with the proper wiki formatting, please let me know if you have any problems with this.Russot1 (talk) 07:59, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

A help for it.wiktionary[edit]

Hi SemperBlotto, I write from the italian wiktionary. We were wondering (here) if you could share the files of the italian conjugated verbs and nouns you used to run SemperBlottoBot; we would use them to create an italian version of the bot (following your codes, and of course crediting you as the author). It would be great if you could help us with this, we are so few on the italian project... thanks for your attention, buona giornata! :) --Barbaking (talk) 10:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi there. I have created "Utente:Barbaking/it-are" on the Italian Wiktionary. As you can see, the format of entries on our two Wiktionaries is very different. You need to make massive edits to that file. If you want more, let me know and I'll send you the most useful ones. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:34, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very very much! We'll start to work on that list, I'll let you informed. Thanks again, bye :) --Barbaking (talk) 11:15, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if I bother you again so soon, but I have two questions. First, do you think I have to manually compile an imput text file such as "it.txt" (mentioned here), or can I download it from somewhere? And second: if I understand correctly, in the list I have not to modify the "template:-start-" and "template:-stop-" at the end of each section, because they're only part of the template's command codes, am I right? (i.e. I have to make modifications like this to arrange the format?) I hope I'm not abusing of your patience, it's the first time I work on something as complex as this bot. Goodbye, --Barbaking (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
The file it.txt can start as an empty file on your PC. You then copy the contents of it-are (or similar) file into it.txt, change all occurrences of ? to the stem of the verb (e.g. ? => parl, for parlare) and save it (it.txt). You then run the bot program that reads the current version of it.txt and generates the verb forms. Good luck. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:34, 11 February 2014 (UTC) p.s. The changes you made are exactly the sort that you need to make. Don't change the -start-, -stop- or <<<...>>> entries - they are used by the bot program to locate the beginning and end of each verb form, and to find its name.
Good, thank you again, you're very kind! We'll make an attempt soon :) --Barbaking (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that we made it! Following your instructions we created it:User:Barbabot, and it is now running (in the last week it added something like 10k new articles of verb forms...). Thank you again for your precious help from the whole italian community, you really helped us! :) Have a nice day, --Barbaking (talk) 18:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

The page referred to "lager" being conjugated forms of the German verb "lagern". That is wrong, There is only a noun "das Lager", but it is written with a capital L.[edit]

I know the Duden, and I had checked, there is no conjugated form "lager" of lagern. —This unsigned comment was added by Abanagka (talkcontribs).

  • So how would you modify our conjugation table (of lagern)? SemperBlotto (talk) 17:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Reverted edits to WT:Anodyne[edit]

Hi Jeff, thanks for properly reverting my stub-level edit to this wt entry, restoring Widsith's 27 Feb 2013 version (with language-translation mods by Mewbot and Rukhabot). An explanation might be in order: I was led to WT page via my QuikWiki context link from a WP entry. The page existed, but had no visible content except for its [was wotd] tag and the "ENGLISH" header, with a diacritical mark I did not then recognize as the English content section's SHOW/HIDE button. Comparing it to the WT:anodyne entry I could access more directly (, I noted the full English dictionary content (with ENGLISH section header, but no Show/Hide button, since translation info on this WT page is appropriately moved to separate links near each of the six listed meanings.) Finding my entry quickly reverted led me to look again. Still not so clear why the format of pages on is different, with its top-level invitation to search the meaning in other languages. But again, thank you. bookerj 13 Feb 2014

I didn't know the language sections collapsed in mobile view, either. It does seem like it might be useful as an option for normal viewers too, maybe as an alternative for tabbed languages if people don't like it. —CodeCat 17:34, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for editing protected pages[edit]

Please see Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2014/February#Request_edit_for_Module:labels.2Fdata. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:28, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi Jeff,

Regarding this edit, Ossining is the name of a town and village in Westchester County, New York. Please see:

I wish you did some research before reverting edits, or you'd have learned this on your own. Caio -- (talk) 23:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I've restored the village definition, based on WP and my personal knowledge of this town and village, some 22 miles from where I live. DCDuring TALK 23:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, DCDuring. -- (talk) 23:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
So, are you saying that Ossining is both a town and a village in Westchester county, and that both are the site of Sing Sing prison? SemperBlotto (talk) 08:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC) @DCDuring: @CodeCat:
Yes, and the village is located in the town. The village is half of the town. If you live in the village, you also live in the town (but not necessarily vice versa). —Stephen (Talk) 08:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
I'll see if I can edit the entry to that effect (and hopefully not get blocked). SemperBlotto (talk) 08:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The reversion of my reversion seemed gratuitous. I hadn't seen CodeCat's self-reversion, though I thought I had looked in user contributions. But IMO now I've more than repaid my debt to society, even with the grant of clemency (much appreciated).
Anyway, the entry looks better than ever, with a real, documented etymology yet. DCDuring TALK 22:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Wiktionary Hefei[edit]

Hi Jeff,

Why did you reverted the changed done for Hefei Urdu Information added.

--Tahir mq (talk) 09:56, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

  • You added an Interwiki link to a word in another Wiktionary that had a different spelling (even in a different script). Perhaps you meant to add a translation? SemperBlotto (talk) 09:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


Congratulations for achieving "a phenomenal score"! --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Darn, I thought I had milked that Z pretty well. Equinox 16:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to try for three bonuses in a row (with no strange language surnames). SemperBlotto (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Request edit for Module:labels/data[edit]

Please express your view in here. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I have no view. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


You removed genderfuck, from a list of related terms such as genderqueer and others, this is a legitimate term in queer studies and is a gender identity that many people use. —This unsigned comment was added by Cuttingrumrill (talkcontribs).

I presume it was removed simply due to the fact that Semper is this project's most active edit-patroller, there is a never-ending stream of edits to patrol, genderfuck is not a very well-known word, and so at first glance it just looks like someone added a made-up swearword, lol. Even on second glance, the semantic connection is not as direct as the semantic connection between bigender and the other words present in the list; however, genderfuck is a valid, related word, so I've added it back.
(On a technical note, rather than repeat subtly different lists of "related terms" on all the various gender-related words, I should probably make a {{list}} to transclude...)
Cheers to both of you,- -sche (discuss) 17:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


Thanks again for adding "eigengene" to Wiktionary! The suggested reference to "eigengene" that is earlier than 1999, however, is not a reference to the English word "eigengene," but rather it is a German phrase in a German text on plant breeding, using the German phrase "self-gene" to mean a wild-type gene in the wild-type plant. Thanks also for the "eigenface" definition. Allow me to suggest adding "eigenface" to the Category:English_words_prefixed_with_eigen-. Orly.alter (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Done. I would have thought that the German word Eigengene means "distinct", or maybe even "distinctive" "gene". I won't add it without more evidence. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:59, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Thanks also for your guidance throughout Wiktionary. Orly.alter (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

rollback on "hice"[edit]

Nonstandard plurals are accepted on wiktionary in other instances. Both "boxen" and "meese" are entries in wiktionary. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Firstly, your entry is poorly formatted. See WT:ELE for the formatting and arrows for an example. Secondly, it has to be attested. See WT:CFI for this. Both "boxen" and "meese" are attested. At least you have to support it with a source. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


Added some pages to Category:German verbs having red links in their conjugation table, please change your code accordingly. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:05, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

moon rocket[edit]

This page was deleted by you in 2011, but I wonder whether it's a populist term. I only ask because I found an entry for "månerakett" in the Norwegian Wiktionary; I entered a translation with a note saying it doesn't appear in the English Wiktionary. Donnanz (talk) 11:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Now added again (the first sense might get deleted as "sum of parts"). SemperBlotto (talk) 11:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, brilliant. I have added the Norwegian translation (popular enough in Norway); I think there's a Finnish entry (kuuraketti) which could be added. I think it's more of a populist than scientific term though, perhaps a quote or two could be found and added. By the way, how can you find what was in the original entry? Donnanz (talk) 11:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Original:- ==English== A '''moon rocket''' is a space launch vehicle designed to launch payloads to Earth's Moon. ===Noun=== {{en-noun}} # {{substub}} SemperBlotto (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
      • OK, cheers. I wasn't aware of the financial sense. Donnanz (talk) 12:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Latin project[edit]

You may wish to work on [[Category:Latin nouns having red links in their declension table]] and [[Category:Latin adjectives having red links in their declension table]]. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

  • @Kc kennylau: Why is adelphis (just as an example) in this category? SemperBlotto (talk) 08:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
    • There are also User pages, talk pages and even templates here. Could they be removed? SemperBlotto (talk) 09:33, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Adjectives done (for now). Nouns to follow. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Most nouns done (just a few tricky ones left). SemperBlotto (talk) 19:52, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Error by SemperBlottoBot[edit]

As the declension table at Cinna indicates, Cinna has no plural forms, because it's a cognomen. But when SemperBlottoBot created Cinna's inflected forms today, it created plural as well as singular forms: Cinnas, Cinnarum, Cinnis. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 14:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Yes. It's ignoring "num=". I am in the process of fixing it. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:14, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


Why did you remove lulz from the See Also section of the epicaricacy page? As far as I can see, it has a similar meaning and is appropriate for the see also section. It would be nice if you would provide an explanation instead of giving the automated rollback message. Q6637p (talk) 11:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Ah, I wasn't aware of the "schadenfreude" meaning of "lulz". I'll revert my change. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Just expressing my view here[edit]

Doesn't it annoy you that the rules of WT:ACCEL is locked? --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Possible bot errors?[edit]

Are these forms in error? --Back on the list (talk) 14:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

  • All wrong. Deleted. suavior is the correct Latin verb. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


This is an error. Please fix your robot. —This unsigned comment was added by Reub2000 (talkcontribs).

  • Looks OK to me. And I am not a robot. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:38, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Current revision looks ok. But the revision to which you reverted the page had serious errors. Reub2000 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC) (talkcontribs)[edit]

Why did you block him? I admit that I haven't looked at all of his contributions, but I can't find vandalism... --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:39, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

  • You can't see his edits to my talk page - they have been hidden. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:51, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Stop revert warring[edit]

Please explain your deletion of the link in equicrescent instead of silently revert warring. I've explained my change and even included an example of usage. 15:49, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


Ich habe gesucht im Duden, der mir gesagt hat, dass der Genitiv des Nachtrags kann "Nachtrages" sein. --kc_kennylau (talk) 00:01, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

  • All talk pages should be in English. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Sehe User talk:Vahagn Petrosyan#Этимология прилагательного ցամաք für ein Beispiel. Bitte nicht verallgemeinere, denn es ist nur du, wer uns will sprechen Englisch auf deiner Diskussionsseite. Dafür, ich dir stimme nicht zu, dass alle Diskussionsseiten söllen in Englisch sein. Aber, wenn du willst, dass ich spreche Englisch auf deiner Diskussionsseite, I'll speak in English. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Talk pages should be visible to, and understood by all members of the Wiki community. That means (in my opinion) that they should always be in English. Talk in other languages is likely to be ignored (at least by me). SemperBlotto (talk) 09:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

User page deletion[edit]

Hi~ My user page was deleted (deletion log).

I apologize for not making an appropriate user page before making edits to the dictionary, but is it possible to undelete it if I try to make some Wiktionary edits and also if I add more detail to the user page regarding how I plan to contribute to the project?

I have a hard time finding my way around any of the Wikimedia sites, and I thought a user page directing others to where they might best reach me regarding any of the Wiki projects might help. So, I didn't put anything except link to my main user page.

I read Wiktionary:Usernames_and_user_pages#User_pages, and also now noticed there is also an additional requirement displayed when creating a user page:

"User pages of accounts that do not contribute to the dictionary proper may be deleted after an unspecified period."

I'm especially worried about the "may be deleted after an unspecified period" part, as my current situation will likely mean my edits will be far between. However, I do think my edits will be appropriate over time. As an example, my Wikipedia contributions will probably be similar to my edits for the dictionary, just not as often. If I also state that my edits will be this way, will it help to avoid deletion?

I didn't expect Wiktionary to have different policies than Wikipedia besides article stuff (and I'm still confused about it). Sorry about my ignorance of that.

Also, if this is the wrong place to talk about any of this stuff, can you help me to know where I should go?

Thank you and have a great day~:) ZeniffMartineau (talk) 23:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I restored your user page. SemperBlotto is sometimes a little too trigger happy. --WikiTiki89 23:30, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Wow, that was fast! :-O Thank you very much! I'm just not used to how stuff works around here yet, and it helped me to read the rules, which I should've done sooner. :) And sorry about the big blob of confused newbie text^^;; ZeniffMartineau (talk) 00:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


Just curious as to your reasoning for rolling back my added def'n of cosmopolitan, which simply more accurately reflects its Greek root and is starting to be used in some academic circles to refer more broadly to engagement in extraplanetary endeavours...Thanks. —This unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

  • Firstly, you didn't make any changes to Cosmopilitan; however, Ljeth (talkcontribs) made an addition to cosmopolitan that, as well as being tosh, had bad grammar. The addition was made to the adjective sense, but the so-called definition ("quality ...") was a noun. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:55, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


I did some edits to clear up the confusions between "Persian" the people, and other usages this term has. I did not get your reasoning behind simply reverting my edits. 11:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

  • You made a real mess of the formatting. I couldn't tell what you were actually trying to do. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


I think that this term is not a sum of parts for it often is used in writing to describe South Asia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives, Sri Lanka and sometimes Burma, and Afghanistan or parts of China, this is irrespective of the plate tectonics. The continent itself is referred to asIndian-subcontinent even when we are talking about a history lesson when it was attached to Antarctica and Australia, when it was standalone and now fused into Asia and in the future, so how should i spell it? I believe these understandings of what it means are far different from "a semi continent + adj. India) IMHO, what do you think?


The plural no longer defaults to -s (it now uses Module:pt-plural), and genders containing the character p will display no plural. — Ungoliant (falai) 14:19, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

  • OK. I'll see what I have to do to stop the bot adding rubbish. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
    • You didn’t do it. — Ungoliant (falai) 18:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
      • You'll need to tell me more than that. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
        • You didn’t update your bot. It is still assuming that {{pt-noun}} defaults to -s. — Ungoliant (falai) 19:26, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
          • Just one example of an incorrect plural. Is that too much to ask? SemperBlotto (talk) 21:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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            • One would have been enough. I have modified the bot such that, if no plural is specified (either by positional or keyword parameters), then no plural is generated. You might like to update the template's documentation to specify that there is no default, and maybe even modify the module to generate an error in such cases. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


Its automatic form detection doesn’t work for highly irregular forms. It’s only guaranteed to work for forms whose lemma has any of the following second parameter: ar, er, ir, car, gar, guer, guir, quir, ear, air, uir, çar, cer, cir, ger, gir. — Ungoliant (falai) 00:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

-oar is doable. — Ungoliant (falai) 15:24, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi SB. I think *coronym is a (pretty rare) misspelling of choronym (from the Ancient Greek roots χώρᾱ (khōrā) or χῶρος (khōros) + ὄνῠμᾰ (onuma)). Do you mind if I correct it in the WT:WE queue? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

  • You should always correct or improve my attempts at definitions/translations if you can. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
OK; done. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on your toes. Thanks. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


I'm watching the Davis Cup in Naples. What are the words for deuce and advantage? Deuce seems to be ugualità (cf. French égalité) and advantage seems to be avvantaggio. Renard Migrant (talk) 11:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I think deuce is either "quaranta pari" or they use the English term. Advantage is definitely vantaggio in Tennis.

Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC) p.s. This is from :- "Se i giocatori arrivano alla pari a 40 vincerà il gioco chi guadagnerà consecutivamente due punti (vantaggi) più dell'avversario." SemperBlotto (talk) 17:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

requests for reviewing[edit]

all'arma bianca corpo a corpo

Salve. Would you mind checking these pages? They don’t look quite right to me, but I do not know enough Italian to be certain. --Æ&Œ (talk) 06:51, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Salut. Acum este în regulă, OK! Mersi BAICAN XXX (talk) 08:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Fixed. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Major mistake by SemperBlottoBot[edit]

I just discovered that SemperBlottoBot made an error when creating scelerans, which was propagated when it created sceleransi, sceleransem, etc. I'm correcting the error, but I worry how many other entries the bot may have made with the same problem... —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 21:06, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

    • It looks like {{la-decl-3rd-part}} was changed and nobody told me. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Actually, I was told last year, modified nouns and adjectives - forgot about participles. I'll have a look tomorrow. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
        • Could you add a notice to the documentation page, like you did with the other templates? —CodeCat 21:34, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Also, something's wrong in the Etymology section for operaturus. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 21:14, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
        • OK. By the way, Mewbot has corrected many of the entries that use {{la-decl-3rd-part}}, but not all. Could it have another go please. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Revert on microphage[edit]

Hello, I see you reverted my edit on microphage. If you don’t believe the word is being used with this meaning, I can guarantee that I have heard and read it. However, seems to be a loanword from the French, so it is probably not acceptable here. Eiku (t) 09:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • The example you quote uses the term in quotation marks. That normally means it is a foreign word, or one that is being invented. We accept foreign words - feel free to add it if you can provide some evidence in the language concerned. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:40, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
    I think I will rather wait and see: if I manage to graduate in interpretation, there will be more occasions for me to hear and read this word and if I do, I can then put the meaning back with more confidence. Eiku (t) 12:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
    • p.s. I see that French Wiktionary has your meaning. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:42, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
      As for this, it is regrettably not a proof that the word is used (I am the one who added the meaning there too). Thank you for your answer! Eiku (t) 12:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Revert on railroading[edit]

The term is well used in many books about role playing games. I can find some instances of this being the case if you would like? Its a niche term, but I think it is appropriate to include. Zellfaze (talk) 17:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Usage Examples:

I also have it being used in a non-D&D context as well, these two places use it in a Shadowrun context:

Again, like I said, I have books that use the term as well. Zellfaze (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Though one could rightly argue that the definition I included could be improved. Zellfaze (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I have added your meaning to the verb railroad (where all the other meanings are). SemperBlotto (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2014 (UTC)