User talk:SemperBlotto/2005

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Thanks for the welcome. It took me about a week to find out how to talk to you, hence me not replying when you wrote. My thing really is etymology and in a way I am glad to see that most entries dont have one. Question (which i suppose is answered in the general pages) how do you put in greek derevations for example? or show accents? Regards Andrew Massyn. Actually, I think i've just found the answer.

Instead of wikify

I am new here also. I have no idea why they dislike {{wikify}}, but in general they seem to prefer {{rfc}} - the request for cleanup template. I'm tempted to add the rfc category within your wikify template. That should probably be discussed in the Beer Parlor first though. --Connel MacKenzie 13:30, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

WikiSaurus capitalisation of initial letters

Hello, I've replied on my user page to the comment that you posted there. — Paul G 18:25, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Translations from copyright sources

Hi again. Where are your translations of the Italian words beginning with Z coming from? I just looked up "zoppo" in my Collins bilingual Italian dictionary and it was identical to what you have posted.

If this is what you have done, you can't, I'm afraid. Coypying from copyright sources is not allowed, and that includes copying translations from bilingual dictionaries.

On the other hand, if you got it from an out-of-copyright work, or from your head, then that's fine.

Paul G 20:02, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for your feedback on this. "Zucchero" has to be translated as "sugar" - it would be odd if we gave it as anything else. However, if someone were to copy the entire entry for (for example, to pick an entry that has lots of translations) "essere" verbatim into Wiktionary, this wouldn't be acceptable. The key is not to copy material but to create it. This means that copying translations is probably OK when the translation would be the same wherever it came from, as is the case for "zucchero", but not to copy anything that is clearly identifiable as coming from one copyright source (such as the glosses that are given for words that have no equivalent in another language, such as, perhaps "befana" in Italian or "Bonfire Night" in English, or indicating material that distinguishes between senses).
Please note that I am not a lawyer but that is my understanding of the issue. Do carry on and don't be put off - we need all the contributors we can get, especially of foreign-language words - but take care with use of reference works. I am careful to do much as I have advised here. Thanks. — Paul G 09:57, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Using a monolingual dictionary is a good approach, in my view. The best option is, of course, to use a native Italian speaker, but if one of those is not to hand, a monolingual dictionary can be just as good, or better. In my experience, monolingual dictionaries can be more reliable than bilingual ones in some cases, and certainly provide meanings that bilingual ones often omit. I use my Petit Larousse for some French translations. — Paul G 10:13, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Square characters on rhymes pages

Hi SB - see my user page. — Paul G 16:23, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jeff - you might find the info in the blue box on this page helpful. — Paul G 16:46, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Foreign-language entries

By the way, foreign-language entries are meant to be translations rather than definitions. See what I have done to "zattera", for example. — Paul G 16:23, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations: Wiktionary:Milestones

Congratulations on you hit at Wiktionary:Milestones. Way to go dude! --Connel MacKenzie 03:52, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Conjugation template

Is the Italian conjugation template (as seen at "affettare") your work? It's brilliant! — Paul G 11:17, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Plural entries

Hi Jeff.

Entries for regular plurals are not really necessary and we tend not to write them. If you need to wikify a plural word, it is best to link to the singular word, as follows: [[century|centuries]], which links to "century" but displays as "centuries".

The links to "centuries" should be changed to link to "century" (except for those that appear in the entry for the singular of the word, were some people prefer to wikify the plural form when they include it (as in "century (plural centuries)"). I'll fix these links. There are probably loads more like this that others have done in the past. — Paul G 16:18, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)



Please do not encourage our resident little vandal. The kids is obviously a product of a broken home, where the only attention he gets is abusive. By wallpapering Requests for deletion, he is getting the attention he so desparately craves at our expense. I break whatever links such as <div to <dive or category: to ctegory: then simply add an {{rfd}}, so the delete request is discrete. I also try to remember not to let it get to me. I pity that misguided kid, and I hope he finds some useful productive outlet when he grows up. --Connel MacKenzie 19:03, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Parts of speech are my Achillies Heel, followed closely by my spelling. I honestly wasn't sure if the mechanic was making the word up, or if it is common jargon in auto-repair shops. Sounded convincing though. Anyway, yes, please correct the part-of-speech designation, if it's wrong. --Connel MacKenzie 08:37, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. But what is petrol? (Kust kidding - I have heard of it. At least twice now in my lifetime.) --Connel MacKenzie 09:05, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

English counties


Did you get all of them? Or is your list a pre-1974 one? Don't stop yet :) — Paul G 18:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

User Page

Please don't modify my user page. It is for my own use. SemperBlotto 08:10, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I changed it so that broken links would not affect you. Would you rather I left links broken ? :-)--Richardb 09:25, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Sweetness! I like it - thank you very much. --Connel MacKenzie 22:27, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Please don't use Template: namespace for Template:Punctuation

Semper, sorry to be a nag, but is this really a template - a piece of text that will be included in several articles ? Couldn't you achieve just the same by naming the page somthing like Wiktionary:Punctuation List ?--Richardb 12:32, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Richard, this was an existing template that I made a small change to. Is that not an OK thing to do? SemperBlotto 12:40, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My apologies Semper/Geoff?, for not looking at the history. It's a personal project of mine to get all the non-template stuff out of the Template:namespace, since I found that so confusing when I first started. For now, leave it as it is. In time I will move it, and fix all the resulting broken links - except if there is one in your User Page :-)--Richardb 12:56, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hi SemperBlotto,

I see you have been making some good contributions during the last month and I believe you would make a good sysop. Would you be interested in the 'privilege'? Then I'll nominate you. If no major obejctions arise, we can ask Eclecticology to give you sysop rights. All you would have to do is to shoot obvious vandalism and spamvertising. The stuff that's less clear, still has to go to {{rfd}} for debate. Polyglot 09:07, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'll nominate you as soon as Connel has given it some thought. It seems more efficient to be able to vote on two nominations at once. Is that OK with you? Polyglot 15:39, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I know you indicated you you would accept the nomination on Polyglot's talk page, but I think Eclecticology wants you to indicate acceptance on Wiktionary:Administrators also. --Connel MacKenzie 22:35, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Place names

Hi Jeff,

I'm not sure what benefit there is adding minor place names to Wiktionary. Major place names have a place here because they often have different forms in other languages (London and New York are good examples) but most smaller place names are the same in all languages (barring transliterations into languages that don't use the Roman alphabet). If a user searches for, say, Tresco and doesn't find it, they will get a page offering a link to Wiktionary, where they (probably) will.

Besides, adding smaller place names will be a huge job if the entire world is to be done. I spent a lot of time a while back adding a lot of the larger place names (which I have not yet completed) merely in order to provide a place for translations and a link to Wikipedia.

What do you think? — Paul G 10:35, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I did add most of those place names, and I apologise for not checking before I made my comments.
However someone else added a lot of minor places in the Isles of Scilly on 31 Jan 2004, which I think are probably too insignificant to be included (see [1]) . By all means do carry on filling in the red links for English place names. Thanks. — Paul G 14:23, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Reagarding Wikipedia (the sister project of Wiktionary): I try not to let my sense of humor slip through too often, as it doesn't come across well in text, but I also don't think I was using any here. And two hours seems like a pretty long time to have a request stuck in a queue somewhere. Your network lag can't be THAT bad! Did I make some untoward change? --Connel MacKenzie 20:56, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I nearly made the same mistake, back to you (1/2 hr after making the above post) when I had "Hide logged in users" from Recent Changes on. (I keep RC in a separate browser tab, so that attribute stays on with each reload.) Now THAT would have been really embarassing! --Connel MacKenzie 22:52, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hello Connel, I see you have been having a go at this corner of Wiktionary. Some time ago I had a little play and moved one article. I was thinking of writing an article in the Help namespace on how to find these articles, how to evaluate them, and what to do with them - but I haven't gotten around to it yet (so much to do, so little time!).

I think that your method of adding them all to a Category first might be a bit labour intensive. Whas fink? SemperBlotto 10:50, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes. I'm not convinced its the easy way to do it either. About two or three weeks ago, I moved a dozen or two dozen entries. Since then, I think the template:Move to Wiktionary got deleted, making it harder to find them. Last night, when I looked at apecial:Allpages starting at "Transwiki:" I saw a whole bunch more that didn't have that template at all, I started tagging them into that category. I made it through the "A"s. Looks like only about 1/3rd of them had the aforementioned template (and therefore were previously moved.)
Perhaps I was more sleepy than I realized, when I did that. I don't know. Clearly, it is uncharted territory. The Wikipedia Move to Wiktionary page is not much help either, as that focuses on articles pending a move from Wikipedia to Transwiki. That was why I was focusing on only putting "unclean" entries into category:Transwiki.
What does "Whas fink?" mean? --Connel MacKenzie 14:01, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sorry - native Bristolian - "What do you think?"

I'll see if I can come up with a rational methodology - but don't hold your breath. SemperBlotto 14:06, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry about me; I'm in no rush. What you've done so far has been intruiging. Tell me if you notice a correspondence between the list I was working off (List of words starting from Transwiki]) and the list you found. Since the latter looks like a manual list, I would think some slip through the cracks (therefore making the category approach more comprehensive?) I'm glad you volunteered to write the help page. Good luck! Let me know if you want help filling out a section. --Connel MacKenzie 06:36, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)


I've added pronunciation to Birmingham as you suggested. The US pronunciation might need a tweak.

Just a minor point - in headings, the convention here is to capitalise only the first word. So it's "Proper noun" rather than "Proper noun".

You're learning fast and contributing fast - I'm impressed! — Paul G 15:36, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wiktionary Transwiki log

Egads, is that really what that log is for? The first few times I read that, I thought they wanted only articles that are being sent *to* Wikipedia from here. I may have a fair amount of cleanup to do. --Connel MacKenzie 19:27, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hello Connel, I see you have been having a go at this corner of Wiktionary. Some time ago I had a little play and moved one article. I was thinking of writing an article in the Help namespace on how to find these articles, how to evaluate them, and what to do with them - but I haven't gotten around to it yet (so much to do, so little time!).
I think that your method of adding them all to a Category first might be a bit labour intensive. Whas fink? SemperBlotto 10:50, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Dont't rush. I'm still experimenting and investigating. I think that the log may possibly be overkill. More soonish. SemperBlotto 19:50, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm reaching the top of the learning curve, but I'm going to London today. More soon. SemperBlotto 08:32, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Have a look at Help:Transwiki - does it make sense? SemperBlotto 11:07, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Absolutely wonderful! Nicely done. Unfortunately, I think I probably should go back and add my previous entries to the log. Perhaps Wikipedia:Things_to_be_moved_to_Wiktionary should link to your help page? --Connel MacKenzie 15:34, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Note: the former entry was intended to be funny, but on reflection, maybe the wikiPEDIA TW article really should mention it. Maybe? I'm glad you saw my two-cent tweak. Again, nice work - thanks! --Connel MacKenzie 15:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

French conjugation template

Here are the errors/comments/questions with it:

  1. "être" takes a circumflex.
  2. If the perfect infinitive has "être", its participle has "étant". "ayant" is the participle of "avoir".
  3. I'm not sure if calling "étant tombé" a gerund is right. I'm inclined to put it to the right of "present participle", but I'm not sure. You'd better ask a French grammarian.
  4. I think the 3s imperfect subjunctive is "tombât" - but it's been decades since I've used one of those!
  5. What's "tomb" doing at the end of the imperative?

-PierreAbbat 23:01, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You know that there are two conjugations for verbs in -ir, don't you? "Finir" includes -iss- in some of the conjugated forms, but, for example, "sentir" (to feel, to hear) does not (present tense: "je sens, tu sens, il sent, nous sentons, vous sentez, ils sentent"). Perhaps it would be better to have Template:fr-conj-ir-1 (for the pattern of "sentir") and Template:fr-conj-ir-2 (for the pattern of "finir"). — Paul G 16:51, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Now there's a verb commencer which takes a cedilla in some forms. Shoud we make another template for those? -PierreAbbat 01:42, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Calling Card

Hi Semper,

I noticed you hot on my trail through systems. I hope you find I'm doing a decent job round here. I appreciate your move "Related terms" to "Derived terms" - I'm not yet awake this morning. — Dizzley 09:38, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well that was spooky - working on systems at the same time. I've done some PDP, Vax and Unix systems programming in my time, I'm a database specialist these days.

Welsh Index

"My Lord"? Lord of warped humour, perhaps. Pelshire is not a place, but a breed of dog. My name is a none too gentle "nip" upon the backside of English aristocracy :)

Thank you for your welcome and invitation, but I'll most probably leave the Welsh index to a native speaker. I know the land somewhat, but not the language. It has long been my contention that the Welsh preserve those wretched place names merely so they can laugh at tourists struggling to pronounce them. In truth, the correct pronunciation cannot be fully represented by any scheme I know of, and a native speaker might well change what I've written for Llangollen. — Lord Malcolm of Pelshire 18:53, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)


This is to let you know that after waiting a full week I have processed your nomination as a sysop. Good luck! Eclecticology 02:06, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi Semperblotto, if you have any specific questions or doubts about those extra buttons, just ask away. We're here to help you out. Polyglot 10:31, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Help and advice?? Sometimes that's limited to the whack on the ass that you get when you have freshly emerged from a comfortable womb. It says, "Welcome to reality, kid."

Moderation is sometimes good advice. With most deletion proposals once they are on the rfd page they are being tracked, so they don't fall off the radar that easily. If they end up listed for what seems a long time no harm is done. If it's really controversial there's often a good chance that the POV warrior will disappear before the article.

The revert button does revert back to the last previous editor. There's a good reason for that. Even a POV warrior can look at his work again and make a further edit to correct a minor typo. If the revert were to operate only on the most recent edit all that would get reverted is the typo correction. Of course a more aware vandal could game the system by following every major edit with a second trivial one. Eclecticology 01:50, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh that's interesting. I didn't know that and there sure are occasions it is good to know it. Polyglot 07:58, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Congratulations on becoming a sysop! That's where the fun ends - expect loads of work deleting rubbish posted by anonymous users, and getting loads of flak and no thanks for it :) No, not really, I'm joking.

"Rollback" is a database term, not specifically a Wiki term (see [2]). (PS: FOLDOC is free to use but is copyright - otherwise there is loads of great content there we could use here.) — Paul G 17:49, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jeffrey,

Congratulations to you as well. I must say I like the one-click rollback. So much so, that I nearly rolled your edit of chiral back. On such an esoteric definition, a little verbiage I think is helpful - did you mean to be so agressive in your editing? Wikipedia is a wonderful resource, but for a short definition, we should be able to provide some coherent meaning. --Connel MacKenzie 20:05, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. --Connel MacKenzie 19:36, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oooooh busted

Good morning. I can understand you taking exception to the spelling (how many "o"s?) but the phrase is in very common use here in the US. --Connel MacKenzie 07:47, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh. I thought you had whacked all of them. I'm tempted to create redirects for about 5 or so of the most common spelling variations... --Connel MacKenzie 08:25, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Those are often the best ones. Though they probably don't have too much place in the classroom, I recall I once used the term fottere in a class discussion, the professor and I were the only ones to understand, but.... E. abu Filumena 08:08, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Transwiki log cleanup activity


Thank you for doing such an amazing job cleaning up the transwiki area!

--Connel MacKenzie 17:00, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Transwiki status

Yo! There are nine Transwiki: articles remaining.

Transwiki:Goumba is waiting for a native Italian speaker to verify slang (won't take long).

Transwiki:Aibohphobia is in Rfd (you can delete it if you like).

The rest are just redirects that need to be deleted, but they won't go at the moment due to a wiki-software bug to do with compressed data.

You can delete the Category if you like. Cheers. SemperBlotto 17:28, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The category is now gone. That robotic-dog-fearing page is gone. The remaining eight: Wow! What an odd error, when trying to delete. I've tagged them all as just RFD, especially Injury (redirect was stale a year ago.) --Connel MacKenzie 07:50, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hey, my Sicilian is fairly marginal, but I did as far as I was sure. I didn't move it to gumba (the more generally accepted spelling) as I don't really know what's going on with the Transwiki thing. E. abu Filumena 18:35, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Reply to your question at Talk:Traunch. 04:39, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hey man, substub madman here.

Thanks for the heads-up, although I think I'll continue. It will not only get people to add, but also keep them from submitting outside of the Wiktionary format.

But thank you for the feedback. While I've been on Wikimedia for a while, this is the first time I've really put myself into Wiktionary. I'm busy putting in very strange and weird words from my personal collection. User:Bennmorland 08:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)


When I looked up LART in the Jargon File, it was listed as Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool. Would you please restore that deletion? --Connel MacKenzie 08:24, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have recovered this entry. However, I still think it is not worthy of Wiktionary. It is listed for deleteion on Wikipedia. What does the first word mean? Is it a spelling mistake for loser? SemperBlotto 09:41, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. It is listed for deletion on 'pedia because it is a dictionary definition, and belongs here. (It's on votes for deletion for 2/21/2005 - the day after vfd was added.) The first word is a mangling of loser and user. It is w:hacker slang from the 1980s. --Connel MacKenzie 09:51, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Good morning Jeff,

I can't pinpoint it at the moment, but I recall a discussion of the futility of trying to categorize all nouns, verbs, adjective and adverbs a while back. They used to be automatically categorized via heading templates, but the extra category + template weight was deemed too permance expensive. Have I missed a more recent conversation on the topic? Connel MacKenzie 08:07, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

There has been some talk in the Beer Parlour. #101 Questions, questions etc. Cheers SemperBlotto 08:11, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Isn't the gist there that categorizing parts of speech is useless? Good luck making your next 50,000 edits, I suppose. Seems like an activity better suited for a bot, later on. --Connel MacKenzie 19:21, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

my vast and repeated mistakes

just thought i'd apoligise for my work, as you seem to clean the bulk of it up. I have a bit of a problem sticking to the formats and proper entry makin in general. Ill try to improve.--Bakutaro 15:37, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is everything OK?


Your articles today don't have your typical excellence. Is something wrong? --Connel MacKenzie 22:36, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Which ones don't you like? Everything is fixable. SemperBlotto 22:42, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ride the carrousel

and come over afterwards for a carousel...heh --HiFlyer 23:03, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC) Oh, yes--and congrats on the Sysop thing!


Was there a good reason to remove the chemical formula and related information from this page? I am requesting that it be reverted. --HiFlyer 13:37, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Kool Jeff. That formula, as simple as it is, would be in almost every dictionary in the world that listed carbs except perhaps one for very early elementary grades. I have an understanding of what goes into pedia, and I agree with your etymology concept. I also preferred my original entry, but surely not enough to argue about it. Cheers --HiFlyer 14:15, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Discussion about separate entries for gerunds, participles, etc.

Please join the discussion about the above topic in the Beer Parlour. I'm asking you because you created the page supposed. The only definition you give there in which "supposed" actually is an adjective is the first one. In the examples of definitions 2 and 3, "supposed" is not and adjective but the past participle of the verb "to suppose" and, together with "am", is a form of "to suppose" in the passive voice. The same holds for "required" and "permitted"; they are past participles, too. In defn 4, both "expected" and "supposed" are just the past tense forms of the verbs "to expect" and "to suppose", respectively (you made the same mistake under expected, hence my nomination for it to be deleted). I haven't deleted defns 2-4 to make it easier for you to verify my claims. So please do the deleting yourself.

Hetero... words

Hi Jeff,

When you've finished entering the hetero... words, could you add them all to the list under "derived terms" at hetero-, please? This would be very useful. Thanks. — Paul G 16:06, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick :) Actually, I see you put them there to start with. This is a excellent approach. — Paul G 16:08, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Next week ortho- then meta- then para- SemperBlotto 16:39, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What Me Worry U?

I worry that as fast as you can create entries, your brain is going to explode. I am on a mission to find free images for our pages. And cheers back, Jeff! --HiFlyer 21:22, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Connel, it is not a verb. You define it yourself as "The Act" - that makes it a noun. Jeff. SemperBlotto 23:11, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if the automatic rollback message is too terse. How does the entry look to you now? --Connel MacKenzie 23:18, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, I still think that the verb is "to program" (and to "brainwash") and that "programming" and "brain-washing" in your first section are just forms of that verb. I realise that you are not going to have separate entries for "he programs" of "he programmed" but it still doesn't feel quite right. Perhaps we should ask the Beer Parlour or Tea Room - there might be someone who understands the finer points of grammar.

When I added bathing, I got similar stick from someone (Hippietrail?) who took exception to both the "Verb form" and "Adjective" entries, (saying they were both nouns) but it has never been "corrected", and I still don't know if it is correct. Jeff SemperBlotto 08:43, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think I see an important difference though: there really isn't a common gerund form of bathing (not in American English, perhaps there is in UK?) but there positively *are* some normal gerund forms of programming. How much programming will it take? vs. I am going to take a bathing. (WTF?) Oh wait... "Bathing is fun." makes it work as a gerund. But you can't say "I'm going to take some bathing." - you would have to substitute the root-noun form a bath (offhand, I do not know why that is incorrect, but it certainly is.) But you can say "I'm going to do some programming." I do not know offhand what makes bathing act as a present participle almost all the time, while programming gets to be a noun most of the time. But that does seem to be the case.
I think your suggestion regarding the Wiktionary:Tea room is a very good one. --Connel MacKenzie 07:28, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sledgehammer image

My understanding is that if something is in Commons then we can use a simple image link, as I did with the image associated with Claw hammer (the image shows a wiktionary link, but there is an additional link from there to; so I'm going to assume that the person who posted the image to Wikipedia isn't interested or doesn't want to post to Commons just yet; the image is available via the Wikipedia link.

P.S. That Claw hammer image is quite large; do you think it's over the size/loadtime that's good for this environment?

Regards, Ceyockey 17:03, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Binomial names


Could you italicise the binomial names you are entering as well as putting them in bold (using five apostrophes either side)?

I wonder too whether we ought to change the title to English, or "taxonomical Latin", or "Translingual", or something else, because these terms are used in taxonomy but were unlikely to be used by the ancient Romans. If they were Latin terms, then there would be no need for italicisation, but most of these are "Latinesque" rather than true Latin.

What do you think? Maybe I'll raise this in the beer parlour. — Paul G 09:41, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've raised it in here. — Paul G 09:56, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oh, PS, could you also put the animal names in lower case (eg "ocelot" rather than "Ocelot") - there is no need for an initial capital. Wikipedia is fond of capitalising animal names, for some bizarre reason, but this is contrary to standard English usage. I've asked them why they do it but not had seen a response. Thanks. — Paul G 10:01, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Aha, see w:Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) and the links on that page. I'm not convinced and maintain my view. — Paul G 10:08, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

61,000 and counting

I think your Suricata suricatta was entry number 61,000 and have updated the Milestones page accordingly. It was yesterday though, no one noted it at the time, and the total has been fluctuating a bit since then, but as you posted a bunch of entries at around that time, it was probably you. — Paul G 09:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Thanks, Jeff. I knew about that resource but every time I tried to use it I found there were more descriptive files either on one of my computers or an image search. For instance, how much fun can you have looking up crotch in Wiki Commons? Now try it in Google! See? --HiFlyer 15:06, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Delete something please

Hello Semper, I was a bit too bold in creating a page recently, it is Wiktionary:Curiosity, but its now redundant, cos I stumbled upon the Tea Room. Cheers


Hi Jeff,

Looks like we got to the rfd page at about the same time. I'll wait a moment for you to stop before proceeding. --Connel MacKenzie 14:44, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Deleting Transwiki redirects


I recall investigating the transwiki scheme, and being delighted when you not only picked up the slack, but took it on as a personal mission and cleared the list. At the time, we both did minor research into how it is supposed to work. As it was uncharted territory, and no one else seemed to have any solid understanding of it, it seemed like a good idea then to be deleting the pages.

Since that time, there have been a handful of cases where Wikipedians have recreated a link. Simply not deleting the redirects would prevent that nonsense. It also would give Wikipedians an immediate nice warm fuzzy that their protologism-du-jour found a home somewhere. Redirects do not cascade; they will get the redirect page on Wikipedia to the transwiki page - it will say it is a redirect and not autojump at that point. When they follow the link, they (perhaps) will see what the ultimate link should be.

Deleting the redirects takes up more space in the Wiktionary database. (Not much more, of course.) But the idea of not having to move the history pages around is also appealing. The transwiki history (perhaps) can stay in the transwiki section (especially in the case where a recirect target talk page already exists.)

Could you please stop deleting the transwiki pages for a while? Is there further discussion you would like on the topic, say in beer parlour? (The entries will still be there, easy to find if concensus is that they should ultimately be deleted.) --Connel MacKenzie 17:50, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think that
<input type="hidden" name="num" value="50">
should be inserted to
so that 50 search matches could be displayed at one time.
--Dubaduba 20:26, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)


please, block User:Dong Mung already

I've banned Fuzzbuster, or whatever his/her name is, for 28 days. I wonder if Dong Mung is the same person.
As a sysop, you have the power to block people - click on "Special pages" at the bottom of the lists in the left margin, go down to the "block" section at the bottom of the page and follow the instructions. The box for how long to block understands times in words, such as "3 days" or "4 weeks" (without the quotations marks).
By the way, I've moved your "qivuit" to "qiviut" - as a keen Scrabble player, that's a word that I know how to spell but did not know the meaning of :) — Paul G 08:59, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New meanings

Please adjust the reference numbers of translations when you add new meanings to a word. Ncik 01 Apr 2005


Thank you for help me

Bye bye


--Parxy 11:16, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

P.S. i dont speak English very well. Help me please! :p --Parxy 15:04, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)



Last time I checked WT:ELE, the parts of speech headings go alphabetically, not in order of importance. Has that changed recently? --Connel MacKenzie 23:12, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Junk in cardigan, fan

Semper: Could you please roll back the entries for cardigan, fan, Steve, and the handful of others by that IP address at about the same time? Someone dumped some big globs of external links, almost certainly junk, in Chinese-or-something there. Thanks. --Dvortygirl 08:01, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stepping on toes

Sorry about reblocking that vandal. Recent changes (with grouping of changes) made it look like he was back for a third time... --Connel MacKenzie 19:24, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You planning on being here for a while then? I'll be back in a few hours... --Connel MacKenzie 19:59, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Regarding your message on my talk page, I was aware of the contributions page, I just preferred the ordering there. However, I was meaning to change it anyway, and on reconsideration, it does look a bit funny where it is, so I'll instead use my user page for any current projects I choose to make for myself. Ta. --Wytukaze 14:52, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)


I did respond to your question three weeks back, by the way. And for a while it held true. For two or three weeks, every time that I had checked my watchlist, someone else had beaten me to reverting the vandal. ☺ Today, the same situation arose again as arose with Phoumie before. I happened to be on-line at the right time and was actually reverting at the same time as Beedy was on-line and vandalizing, and would have been able to block xem (and indeed another advertising vandal that came in a minute later, that I reverted too) earlier than Paul G eventually did. So, granted, there's another datum in the "for" column. ☺ Uncle G 09:26, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Hi SemperBlotto

Could you drop me a line and let me know your reasoning for revert the edits to Chimp? I'm relatively new to Wiktionary so if I've made a faux pas, it would be good if you could let me know, so that I can avoid doing the same in future


Hi Jeff,

Please could you use "Homophones" rather than "Homonyms" for words that sound identical? Unfortunately, "homonym" can also mean "homograph", which isn't what we mean in this section. I was taught "homonym" at primary school but "homophone" is more precise. Thanks. — Paul G 17:07, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chimping again

Hi again Semperblotto

Thanks for explaining your edit (on my talk page). Just to correct you though, the Bush/Chimp image was added in an edit by HiFlyer on 17 March, not by me. All the best, Steve StevePreddy 17:29, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Blanket thanks and apologies


I just wanted to say thank you for keeping me honest, since you've been doing a lot of that lately. (Regarding nitpick, I would have said that one could nitpick an article or an essay, for instance, though!) Sorry about comprehend, too. That was a browser tab mix-up. Please feel free to let me know how I'm doing, especially if I'm creating extra trouble for you.
I am awfully curious about your background. It seems like every time I think I might have lost you on something technical or esoteric, you take it and run! I'm impressed. I have been away from Wiktionary for a while (real life and all that!) and I must say it's a different place with you around. It's great to have you on board. Take care! --Dvortygirl 07:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)


While researching sledge I came across an Australian slang usage meaning to 'verbally abuse the opponent in order to distract', and it occured only in the context of cricket. Saw your list and thought I would let you know. TheDaveRoss

Mr. Ass Pus

Regarding this kiddies particular flavor of vandalism, wouldn't disabling CSS styling take care of it? There is no real need of it, and allowing position:fixed; is just asking for trouble. TheDaveRoss

TheDaveRoss, I just noticed this comment. Putting it together with what User:24 said about all of wiki* being based on .css ... well, suddenly Mr. A. P.'s motivation seems transparent. Is he doing this just to point out the weaknesses of css? Almost like there could be a quazi-legitimate reason for devoting such extroardinary time and effort at vandalizing wikifoundation web sites? --Connel MacKenzie 07:30, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not convinced. I think if we used plain text he would still vandalise us. He seems to like inventing new ways of causing us trouble. His latest is to load the image to Commons do we don't notice him quite so fast. I think that he'll carry on till he gets a job or a girl friend. SemperBlotto 11:48, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Beds huh? My mobile phone had "letti" for "read". i guess mobiles shouldn't be used for reference then. sorry dude. auguri. --Wonderfool 21:02, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Of course, it's both. "Letti" as a noun is the plural of "letto", bed. "Letti" as a verb form is the masculine plural past participle of "leggere", to read. — Paul G 15:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


-I am afraid my first attempt to reply was lost in the shuffle there-

I am not sure, there are still some conventions that I am unsure of. The words are truly indistinct as it pertains to definition, which is why I put them in one category, but that was just personal preference, not following any sort of precedent, as I am unaware of what that would be. If they belong in separate articles than in separate articles they shall be.


All right then. I'm writing in Korea now and apparently thanks to the Yahoo donation, the servers over here will be up to speed in a while. I'll wait as you suggested.


There is a user that is outta control and User:Bobtail must be banned for putting inappropriate orange-boxed in which does not belong. SemperBlotto, will you protect "Template:Hellenicindex" so vandalism is stopped and after, protect "Template:Englishindex" as well. Pumpie, 21:07 (UTC), Apr 23, 2005

Our vandal back at work...

I have reverted his vandalism to community portal (I think) and to your user page (by "move"). Can you block his IP?. Rgds Rich Farmbrough 21:21, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)



How do the definitions "bound to happen" and "impossible to avoid" differ? They look like the same thing to me. Could you give illustrative and distinguishing examples? — Paul G 15:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Overwriting articles with redirects and not incorporating lost information

Hi SemperBlotto.

I must ask you to cease deleting articles by replacing them with redirects. This has been discussed on the Beer Parlour in the past and some contributors do not support it. Creating redirects is fine and replacing redirects with articles is fine. But replacing articles with redirects can result in loss of information and in the two cases I've noticed today that is just what has happened.

You have replaced the article æstival with a redirect to estival and replaced tædium with a redirect to tedium. In neither case have you followed up by including the replaced spelling in the "Alternative spellings" section. In the former case the replaced article included an "Etymology" section. The surviving article did not and nor did you bring the one from the lost article.

I did start a discussion under Talk:Tedium but now that I've found more than one example and a lost etymology as well as the lost spellings, I'm going to have to go ahead and revert your changes.

Please give some thought to this strategy or bring a discussion to the Beer Parlour. — Hippietrail 02:52, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

In principal SemperBlotto is right. It should be avoided to have several proper entries for spelling (or other minor) variants of a word, just because people will add different stuff to those pages without bothering to adapt the other ones accordingly. Of course SemperBlotto should care to incorporate information from a variant page on the main page. Futhermore he should not create redirects. You never know if a word of same spelling exists in another language. Instead one should create something like a "Forms and variants" section (my solution so far) under the appropriate language section and provide links there. I'm against listing such variants under part of speech headings since this can often cause confusion and is not in accordance with the standard format for part of speech sections, and often looks messy, especially when such forms or variants are of distinct etymologies. Ncik 28 Apr 2005

Opinion Please

Would you please give your opinion on the idea proposed at Wiktionary talk:Transwiki log? Thanks you. Kevin Rector 13:38, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RE Orphaned pages discussion in Beer Parlour

Why the question Semper ? Is there some confusing reference to "orphaned" ? If so, where? Or rather, if so, why not "BE BOLD" and clean it up, since the whole idesa of orphaned is not relevenant in Wiktionary.--Richardb 06:41, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)Please reply in Beer Parlour


User:24/vip wasn't "ass pus". Please undelete it. And my userpage, too. 24 12:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)


Is this an adjective? says it is a noun. — Paul G 13:19, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Changed to noun; added talk page. SemperBlotto 14:30, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Words of other languages

I'm disappointed you recommended that User:Jérôme only give translations, not proper definitions, for non-English words. I had this argument with you before; shall we take it to the beer parlour or will you refrain from giving such advice in the future? Ncik 04 May 05

Please take it to the Beer Parlour. SemperBlotto 18:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Fire department

I realize that the style I used for my entry was more suited to Wikipedia, but fire departments today do more than put out fires. There needs to be mention of that. I'm adding some stuff back, although not as much as I had originally. catseyes818 18:02, 4 May 2005 (EDT)

Theater vs. Theatre

Should we have both? HECK YEAH. See the WT:BP archives for the very lengthy color/colour flamewar.

That flamewar notwithstanding, as I entered the US version, I found that they are a bit different.

--Connel MacKenzie 10:27, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Re:Andare (Italian)

>>Hello there. I have just added a conjugation table to andare and noticed that the existing Etymology looks a bit suspect - points to Latin red-linked vadere plus some question marks. Could you check it out for me please, and make any corrections that you think fit. Ta. SemperBlotto 17:08, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)<<

Having looked up "andante" (tempo), it appears that the Italian "andare" was formed by suppletion of the Latin verbs "ambulare" and "vadere". The dictionaries mention only "ambulare", one of them guessing that "ambulare" became Vulgar Latin "amblare" or "amlare". Then one might guess that "ml" became transmuted into "nd", so "amlare" became "andare".
Considering that there are not many candidates for being ancestors of "andare": the only Latin verbs that have similar meaning are "ire", "ambulare", and "vadere". The Spanish verb "andar" also appears to have derived from "ambulare", but "andar" is regular and has no evidence of suppletion with "vadere". The French "ambler" came from "ambulare", without any transmutation. --AugPi 16:46, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Re:Cardinal numbers

>>Hi there. Just out of interest. There are an infinite number of cardinal numbers; are you going to attempt them all? Cheers. SemperBlotto 16:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)<<

No, only the first hundred. --AugPi 16:35, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Trademark sign

The w:HTML entity for ™ is &trade;.

Ipkissium mascosus

So, what's the joke? Is there a punchline? --Connel MacKenzie 07:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


Is there a particular reason you chose to completely remove my definition for pyrophoric? I asure you that the one I gave is completely in line with the usage in fire investigation, and is what it would mean when presented as evidence in court. I wouldn't have minded if you'd added to it, but removing something a subject matter expert put in without regard for their expertise? Catseyes818 15:11, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I've put an answer to your comments on my talk page. Catseyes818 20:27, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Prime Minister

Hi Jeff,

I'm in wrist-slapping mode... :)

  1. Please don't give variants and synonyms as "or xxx" alongside the respelling of the page name. Put these in "Alternative spellings", "Alternative forms" or "Synonyms" sections as appropriate.
  2. Prime Minister: not capitalised except when it refers to a specific prime minister. An entry already exists for prime minister and now I can't move "Prime Minister" there automatically. Now I have to transfer everything manually... grr :) — Paul G 17:05, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Hello - all fixed now so I'm happy again :)


Congratulations on entering entry 70,000! — Paul G 09:02, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

re feature creep and creeping elegance and other stuff


Yes, I have used the same definition for both of these entries, and I think they are used more or less interchangeably, but I think they should remain simply as independent synonyms, if you don't mind. Perhaps they should be marked as jargon or slang, though I'm not sure just what the best such tag is, in this case.

Oh, and thank you for your confidence in my work; it's quite gratifying. Please do look now and then to make sure I'm still on the right track. (I don't spend too much time looking at your entries, because they're usually good, and because they usually happen in the middle of my night!) I shall definitely leave chemistry terms to you, in future!

On a side note, please join us in the [Wiktionary IRC] sometime. It's still pretty quiet, with people coming and going, so try at a few different times if nothing is happening. I have found it helpful to have other contributors to ask for help fine-tuning the details of an entry. I have also had fun meeting and learning from the other language-lovers hanging around there. We would certainly welcome your company. Take care! —Dvortygirl 15:26, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Morse code

Hi Jeff, I've answered you question about Morse code on my user page. — Paul G 16:25, 19 May 2005 (UTC)


I do not believe Amanda is strictly English. 24 22:16, 20 May 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jeff, me again, with another suggestion :)

Some guidelines on wikification were copied over from Wikipedia recently (I don't know where, unfortunately). These pointed out that wikification should be reserved for words and phrases related to what is being defined. Although this is Wikipedia policy and has not been adopted here, I think it is probably quite a good principle; I also think, though, that we should augment it to include words that the reader of the entry might not know.

I notice that you wikify quite a lot of words in an entry, and sometimes I feel that you wikify too many. I've applied the principles above to cloture and the number of wikified words has come down by over half. We have to offset the user's desire to find definitions quickly for words they do not know with the load on the server, which is increased the more words are wikified on a page.

Just my thoughts... what do you think?

By the way, I'm mentioning this to you because you are a profilic contributor and tend to wikify many words in an entry, so you are probably one of the people who has the greatest impact in this respect. — Paul G 11:31, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jeff, thanks for your feedback. I'm not sure how much of an issue load on the server is right now in any case. By all means carry on as you are. — Paul G 08:44, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Thomas Pitt Hamilton Cholmondeley, 4th Baron Delamere

Oops, sorry about that, you were quicker on the uptake than me. --Wytukaze 15:04, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Its Wiki's fault. It spots it when you save a change to a document that has changed since you started editing, but doesn't spot that is has been deleted since you started editing. SemperBlotto 15:09, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Webster 1913 public domain

On WT:RFC#Steam you said:

This is appalling - and people (naming no names) are still adding Webster definitions instead of proper ones. It is too late now, but I shall create a proper definition from scratch tomorrow. SemperBlotto 21:20, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I hope you're not talking about me. But if you are, then I really would like to know what the problem is exactly. I know that when I import a definition from a Webster 1913 source such as ARTFL, I reformat it, tag it as {{webster}} for proper attribution, and if the definition is too dated, edit it as a second pass (so that the attribution makes sense.) Perhaps I should check the wording of template:webster again, but I thought that was what one should do. In particular, I thought it was better to attibute content to Webster 1913 (when it is from there, initially.) If my assumption is wrong, please enlighten me! --Connel MacKenzie 03:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Hello Connel. Of course, everything that you do with these entries conforms to Wiktionary guidelines. It is just that I think we should be aiming higher. The wording often seems to me to be very old-fashioned (and I'm 62) - I don't know what it must read like to a teenager. Cheers. [[User:SemperBlotto|SemperBlotto] 09:15, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
The beauty of having them tagged is that it is very clear-cut which ones need another set of eyeballs. When I finish my WikipediaTop5,000 todo list, I intend on re-attacking concordances. (And these days, I only get to one or two words on my list a day.) After that, I plan to revisit the list of {webster} entries...that should give others plenty of opportunity to take a stab at them before me. But if I were providing the definitions on my own, I seriously doubt I'd be including etymologies (and If I did, they would be wrong, or would suck.) Possibly the worst thing about {webster} entries are the archaic quotations. I retain those aprox. half the time. Sometimes they are really interesting, other times they are obscure.
I don't know. Well, yes, the wording often is archaic. But is no entry better? --Connel MacKenzie 11:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Words in the News

Do you archive them off somewhere, or just whack them? I'd think a horizontal line (----) would be all the archiving it would need. The older entries are that much more interesting. --Connel MacKenzie 18:46, 28 May 2005 (UTC)


Here you go, Mr Chemist :) I've done the first one for you - would you like to do the other nine? — Paul G 17:42, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I'll try to get round to it. By the way should it start with ==English== ? SemperBlotto 18:56, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, it should. I've added it. Thanks.


Shouldn't all the adjectives begin with "Of"? At the moment, they are noun definitions. — Paul G 11:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kind Welcome

Thank you for your kind welcome, I'm afraid I was sucked into Wiktionary much in the way I was sucked into Wikipedia, through its sheer addictivness and brilliance. I think I might be forced to make an account here and spend even more of my time wiki-ing on various projects. Well, the outside world is over-rated I'm sure... not that I remember much of it nowadays. ;) - 20:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) (Dalta in the other wikis)


Hi. I'm not sure, but isn't landaulette just an alternative spelling of landaulet? You seem to have defined landau on that page. Twenty Four 21:55, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, I didn't do enough research. I have redirected one to the other. SemperBlotto 22:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Replacing definitions

You sometimes replace all definitions of a word with definitions that are basically a copy of what you find on (or a similar page, don't know), as recently happened on transparent. I don't think this strategy does this project any good. Ncik 04 Jun 2005

Unable Log In

Hi SB...This is HiFlyer...I have been unable to log into this and other Wiki projects for about a week. My cache has been cleaned and all cookies set to accept. Please ck and see if my ISP had a bad boy on it or something...although that should not be the issue. Even those blocks are only for 24 hours...I appreciate any help, although it certainly is not a desperate issue!
Your friend, AJ (HiFlyer)aj.franklin at gmail dot com. -- 16:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Hello HiFlyer. No, neither your Username, isp, or ip address is blocked. Have you tried creating a new temporary UserId? You can obviously update anonymously. SemperBlotto 16:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
For whatever reason the problem is gone. Thanks SB! And may all your problems be this easy to solve ;-)) --HiFlyer 18:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Word of thanks!

Much appreciation for your vigilant stomping out of our collective antagonist, keep up the good work! - TheDaveRoss

Thanks also for your input on come a cropper. I ran across it in a book and had no idea what it meant! Likewise, over the top, star-crossed (you were right...oops!), and other recent entries. Finally, thanks for your vigilance and your votes of confidence for our admin nominations. I hope we'll be able to help. And please come visit us in Wiktionary IRC someday. We'd love to have your company. —Dvortygirl 17:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yes, and thank you for the prompt welcome and comment on my user page. I don't get over here much. I'm working on the new w:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Community and one of the goals is to help improve communications among all the m:Wikimedia sister projects.

Sign language and IRC

Jeff, I understand your concerns. Please consider, though, that IRC is what you make it. Most of us manage to balance it well enough with editing our respective Wiktionaries. What you are missing is an IRC client (someday I'll write that help page!). Chatzilla and mIRC are popular choices, but there are many. If you choose to join us, you will get to know some of the other Wiktionarians. We have some fascinating folks, all over the world, with about 15 people in nine countries, so far. You can also request and offer help on all sorts of things. The discussions slow us down somewhat, but they result in better, more complete entries. For a recent collaboration (five of us), see WikiSaurus:saying. I would say that the conversation usually moves slowly enough to allow time for thought and editing. Finally, I am not alone in wishing for your company there. Several others have also mentioned you by name.

As for sign language, I remember relatively little of it. There are basically two solutions for cataloging it, though: diagrams or photos with arrows (difficult to produce and to read) and video. GerardM has discussed building in support for video, at least in UW. <shameless plug> If you join IRC, you can quiz him about it and offer your suggestions there. </shameless plug> —Dvortygirl 18:14, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually, animated GIFs would work with a lot less effort than video. Unfortunately, GIF is not free and I don't think animated PNG is really going yet either. But don't we already use GIF - maybe that's ok here. — Hippietrail 23:02, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I thought we wern't supposed to use ampersands in titles? --Connel MacKenzie 07:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • That's the way it is in -pedia. SemperBlotto 07:37, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)


The only change I would make is italicizing, or something similar to demark it from the definitions. It does look better that way though, less intrusive. - TheDaveRoss 17:48, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi again. I just wanted to let you know that we now have Template:Citations and Template:seeCites. — Hippietrail 04:55, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Replacing articles with redirects

Hi SemperBlotto.

This has been discussed a number of times on Wiktionary and each time the outcome has been that replacing redirects for spelling variants with articles is OK but that replacing articles with redirects is not OK. Now I see you're even replacing synonyms with redirects. I suggest you read back through that stuff before deleting too much of other peoples' work. — Hippietrail 10:29, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Latin/French/Spanish etc. phrases

Um, that's about it, but thanks. -dmh 16:27, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • They were already there - just in a poor format. SemperBlotto 16:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Partition edit clash

That was actually me editing partition, but forgot to log in. I just joined wiktionary so if u have any comments/hints please add on my discussion page. Ciao

bodice ripper

Is this the book genre or a book of this genre? I would have thought it is the latter. The genre would be "bodice rippers", which is of course just the plural. — Paul G 09:01, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

holiday homes

Hi, and thanks for your welcome. Really I am going to add both forms. What I am going to do in a certain sense is add terms I use for the localisation of a website here - I'll do this step by step so you will see the terms we actually used/are using at that moment and only in a second step I'll create the other forms (I just can't do this immediately). I'll also see if maybe I can use a bot to add terms in a second step like I already work on other wiktionaries, but first of all I must check if things work well here without creating problems. Ciao! --SabineCretella 19:08, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Hmmm... if you have problems with these templates it means I cannot contribute here as I have them automatically built on my computer. Never mind - there are other places where I can contribute. Thanks and ciao! --SabineCretella 19:51, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I realize you are simply enforcing an existing policy on such templates on en:, which may be beyond our control. Sabine is a sysop on the Italian Wiktionary, though, and I'm afraid we may have just lost a valuable contributor to a policy matter. It is, of course, her choice, but you may wish to follow up, even if only as a courtesy.--Dvortygirl 20:20, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

American terms

I don't know if a Bachelor's degree is only American and Candadian. Semsesters is used at some schools in the US, but not all.--Whicky1978 14:54, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

anyone for tennis

I made a Category:Tennis a while back, but i'll leave it up to you where u put the tennis terms in. In Category:Tennis terms or not. Ta --Wonderfool 10:14, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Page move protection

Semper, As you may have noticed, AP has started moving pages around. As an admin, you may wish to protect your user page and user talk page from moves only to curtail this sort of tactic, since they seem to be a preferred target. --Dvortygirl 21:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the notice. I'll fix up what I did when I've finished cleaning out the Latenkwa stable. Eclecticology 21:32, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

FYI Kingfisher

I've had as little success as you with the four-colo[u]red kingfisher. It may save you trips to the library to know about

There are a few others, but one often leads to the others. Eclecticology June 27, 2005 21:28 (UTC)

Trap and Entrap

Is it OK to mention in the definition of Entrap that it is somehow a "stronger" version of the word "trap"?

TableTop 28 June 2005 10:46 (UTC)



Denier is done. Interestingly, there are three quite different pronunciations: duh-NEER for the French coin, DEN-eer for the unit of measure (which can also have the first pronunciation), and di-NYE-er for a person who denies. — Paul G June 28, 2005 10:59 (UTC)


Please remember to use {{subst:welcome}} not {{subst:welcome}}. --Connel MacKenzie 28 June 2005 15:10 (UTC)

OK - I now see the difference. But I can't guarantee to ALWAYS remember. SemperBlotto 28 June 2005 15:16 (UTC)

IRC, please?

Semper, if you can bear to visit us in IRC, now would be an awfully good time to have your company there, to help sort out some of the capitalization mess. Thanks. --Dvortygirl 29 June 2005 21:46 (UTC)

Lowercase templates

It's better to move the templates to the lower case names, leaving a redirect behind, than to copy&paste a new template in. I'm moving quite a few templates today. Uncle G 30 June 2005 10:13 (UTC)

  • OK, what about the categories ?? SemperBlotto 30 June 2005 10:15 (UTC)
    • I've already fixed some of the templates to use the correct spellings of the category names. Thank you for pointing this out, though. There's more than that to be done. I'll add checking the list of categories, and recategorizing any articles where the category name was spelled incorrectly, to my list of mop&bucket tasks for the next few days. ☺ Uncle G 30 June 2005 11:13 (UTC)

Please don't delete redirects


During the recent flurry, I was informed by one of the developers on IRC that there has been a standing request (from the developers) for years, to not delete redirects on Wiki*.

--Connel MacKenzie 1 July 2005 11:27 (UTC)

IMDB should be moved to IMDb

The article IMDb and a few redirects I created for it a while back got really screwed up with the conversion to lower-case. I think I've created appropriate redirects everywhere they're needed, now I just need to move IMDB to IMDb, which is the correct capitalization.[3] Since the edit history of the latter is not empty, I can't do it as a regular user. Could you please take care of this? - dcljr 4 July 2005 07:58 (UTC)

Thanks. - dcljr 9 July 2005 05:29 (UTC)

SI units


Note that pg and the like are symbols, not abbreviations. Even though they abbreviate what they stand for, they are symbols because they can never be written with points (as "pg." or "p.g.") and are translingual, much as H, He, etc, are symbols in chemistry (although having been abbreviated from "hydrogen", "helium", etc, and the Latin equivalents in some cases). I've changed pg and Pg accordingly. — Paul G 4 July 2005 11:04 (UTC)


Thanks for your help. I am new to Wiktionary and may need some hints or along the way. Though I think I have the general idea. Have read intro and all.


You are good. As opposed to other changes yours are welcome.



I noticed you deleted Meon Pooj just now. Well, that has been recreated, and you should probably also take a look at their contributions. Is it alright with you if I let you handle this for now? --Wytukaze 5 July 2005 16:43 (UTC)

Deleting redirects


Can you please not delete redirects to upper-case pages. It is useful to leave these so that users entering searches in lower-case (which most people do) will be directed to the correctly capitalised page. Thanks. — Paul G 09:56, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I think that most of them can be safely deleted because the "Go" button finds the right page automatically - try, for instance lake district and lake District, or even LaKe diSTRict - the "Go" button will find Lake District in all cases. SemperBlotto 10:06, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, that's good. Thanks for letting me know — Paul G 14:15, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Um, pardon me butting in here. I just noticed this now. Althought the [Go] button might be unaffected, external links (especially from Wikipedia, but elsewhere as well) break horribly. Please do not delete redirects. To quote Brion (a Wiki developer) from IRC: "<brion> anyone who deletes a redirect to a legitimate page is a retard and should be kicked out of the project" followed by "<brion> but that's just my opinion". Mind you, this is completely out of context. But I though you might like to hear some people's take on the capitalization issue. --Connel MacKenzie 18:37, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I think it is wrong to delete redirects to otherwise-capitalized pages (but I shall continue to delete the transwiki redirects, especially as they form a chain these days). So, should we generate otherwise-capitalized redirects of all new pages? SemperBlotto 21:34, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
I do not care about Transwiki redirects anymore. Maybe a year from now, I will again, but right now I do not.
All other redirects, however, I do care about. Although I see the possible reason for creating redirects for brand new pages, that is not what was agreed to before the de-capitalization. All that was said was that existing redirects, and resultant redirects from the conversion would be retained. The conversion didn't happen quite the way any of us expected, so that rule has been bent several times.
I just restored Hawai'i. I still cannot fathom why you thought that one was OK to delete. --Connel MacKenzie 17:51, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Deleting user pages

I know that deleting User:24's sandbox was done in good faith, as was the deletion of his user page before, but I often wonder about what he's up to. He does have a history of erratic and puzzling behaviour, and I'm inclined to feel that his purpose behind these deletions is just to hide his strange activities. Eclecticology 00:32, July 12, 2005 (UTC)


Hey there, I normally spell it that way, but the majority of hits seems to go the other way (one "c"). I also think that there's a distinct difference between UK and US piccalilli, here (US) I've rarely seen it with the mustard and turmeric with which it is associated over there (UK), my Ozark relatives always make it with cabbage, peppers and onions, heavily fermented- smells like your worst gym socks + vinegar and tastes like Heaven! E. abu Filumena 07:46, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


Man, you are FAST! I was working on an article for the uppercase Freon, but I prefered lunch over finishing the article. I was going to have the term freon as lowercase and the Dupont trademark in upper. Which way do you feel it should be? --Phroziac 16:09, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi there. Many many years ago, I nearly got a job as a chemist for the UK company that made them. I think that the lowercase version should probably just be a redirect, but I wouldn't object to something short and a link to Freon. Cheers. SemperBlotto 16:18, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, ok. Thanks :). By the way, what do the numbers and commas in 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane mean? --Phroziac 16:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Ethane has two carbon atoms. Call them 1 and 2. Put three fluorine atoms on number 1 and 1 fluorine atom on number 2 - CF3.CH2F

1,1,2,2-Tetrafluoroethane would be CHF2.CHF2 SemperBlotto 16:38, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I think I understand it :) --Phroziac 00:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Abbr, Acro, & Inits

I see you are making fast progress through the abbreviations, acronyms and initialisms list. I left off at the letter E (I think I finished them) so you'll note that the rest of them will probably slow you down, as they each need significant formatting, template, category links, etc. --Connel MacKenzie 22:21, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

  • No, I'm just going through Special Pages => All pages, correcting every page starting with the wrong capitalization. On my way through I have found that lots of Abbrs etc need drastic treatment. I shall have a go at them when I have finished your to-do list !! SemperBlotto 22:27, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Um, you're "just" going through 170,000 entries?  :-) Hmmm. At 2,000 entries per page, that is only 85 pages...I guess that is possible to just eyeball. I can't imagine that tedium, though. --Connel MacKenzie 15:35, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't look at each entry - just scanned the list, and picked out ones that might be wrong. I missed several that others have found. Now I'm back to more productive work.
But Jeffrey, even if all you did was scan, you still scanned 1/6th of a million entries! I'm not capable of calculating how much coffee that takes. --Connel MacKenzie 17:27, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Wiktionarian etc

What would you call a person who contributes to MediaWiki? A WikiMedium? - spooky! SemperBlotto 17:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Nah, not a little or big, just a MediumWikian. --Connel MacKenzie 17:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


I was trying to clean this up from the to-be-wikified section, so I haven't seen it in the real world. I tried to make it consistent with other abbreviations - which don't have spaces in between. Can we leave it as one or divide it into two - or must it have a space?

And while I'm writing you, can you show me a good example of a phrase I can copy and try, also, to change some red links to blue - like those red links under "derived terms" listed under the word "off".

I hope I haven't been making too big a mess out of things for you. I know I've been sticking my head into a couple new areas (beyond initialisms) recently.


-- Stranger, SSL69 17:12, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


Hi SemperBlotto,

I think what I did to center/centre needs to be done to all words that have two valid spellings. Sometimes a simple redirect will do, but often there will be something interesting to say about both spellings, like usage or pronunciation that differs a bit. Maybe the hyphenation is different or (very likely) the etymology. I suppose almost all the American spellings are derived from British spellings. Polyglot 09:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


You left a message for me a while back about capitalisation of chemical names. Do you know chemistry? I have entered an acronym for DEET (which I think is important because I think it's Catnip). I respectfully request that you check this for formatting. Cheers, --Stranger, SSL69 14:46, 11 August 2005 (UTC)



You asked me to have a look at DEET. I've made a few changes, mainly the following:

  1. It is a noun rather than an acronym, as it doesn't seem to have been shortened from four words beginning with D, E, E and T but rather from just D and T (see the etymology I have provided).
  2. I know very little about chemistry. The person to ask is SemperBlotto, who contributes quite a lot of chemistry-related content.
  3. A minor correction: "repellent" is the correct spelling.

Otherwise it looked just fine to me. Linking to Wikipedia, where an article exists there too, is always a good idea.

Paul G 14:13, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! But I found your reply confusing - in looking at the history of DEET, I found out why: Semper had already performed his magic on it. I had simply made an initialism; Semper expanded it. So, I can't take credit for his, I'm sure, excellent entry. I'll copy our conversations on his talk page so he'll have the benefit of your correction wisdom. Cheers, -- Stranger, SSL69 14:28, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

"stop pissing about"

you sent me a message telling me to "stop pissing about" and I feel the need to explain myself

I am new to both wiktionary and wikipedia (wikis in general) and am attempting to contribute in any way I can. so far I have only made two edits, although I was not logged in, and therefore was not recieving credit for my work. I added three examples to the verb portion of the word "rewind" and added 1 fresh definition and fixed 1 stub definition to the verb portion of the word "wind"

After contributing these definitions, I realized that I had not recieve credit (and thus accountability) for my work on my user, shashe. I therefore deleted MY OWN content and replaced it. I thought it was very clear what I did and I hope you understand also. please send me another message if you do or send a more specific message as to what i'm "pissing about." I do not wish to be "blocked"

I'm a new user, and one who doesn't quite have the feel of things down just yet, but have already been annoyed with you twice. I mean no offense, as perhaps you are equally annoyed with me. I was observing the list of necesary words and saw the day of the week was a red link. I figured I know a little about the days of the week so I figured I'd check it out and begin a page. I went back to it and you've now edited what I just created. i feel that the work I just contributed was more informative and better formatted. if I'm missing some key element to the structure of an article I need to know now so I can fix the error of my ways. I would also like to know why you've now edited 3 works I created, and nobody else has. Is it because I'm new? I mean no accusation. I just feel that you misuderstood me about my first two contributions, and it's possible that you've misinterpreted a 3rd article. So just so I know how to deal with something like this... should I go back and edit the information I feel was important? or will it just be deleted again? Seriously, I mean no offense or accusation. Shashe 11:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a newbie and still have to learn lots ;) Julienna 09:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi there...

Thanks for the welcome!

Can I use category slang if a word is slang and not slang? Steve-O 08:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


I've replied on my talk page, but by way of a postscript, see the discussion here.

I see you're cracking on with your cricket terminology, which is great. I see the link at the bottom of your user page reads "twelth man" - should that be "twelfth man"? — Paul G 15:46, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

mid off

Semper, I don't get it. Shouldn't it be a "noun phrase"? You even wikify both words separately. Cheers, Stranger (SSL69 23:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC))
e/c: mid off

Yes, you are quite right. I often fail to get that right. You are always welcome to make such corrections to any article when you see it. Cheers. SemperBlotto 07:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
In this case, I really wasn't sure - besides, I always hesistate before correcting one of the "big boys". Oh, and for the record, I found the Virtual Private Network "definition" amongst the abbreviation VPN where I knew it shouldn't be, and I didn't know where else to put it. Cheers, still a, --Stranger, here and I avoid -pedia like the plague. (SSL69 13:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC))


Hi Jeff,

Have you seen this page? You know what to do :) — Paul G 17:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

ripe for Beer Parlour?

I posted the following on HippieTrail's User Page and got the following in replies, regarding B&W: SSL69 18:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC) >>>>

Should this not be a noun phrase? Cheers, --Stranger (SSL69 00:05, 25 August 2005 (UTC))

Everybody can see it's a phrase since it's more than one word. We should just do what regular dictionaries do, people have been putting all kinds of sentences in the POS section making it fuzzy and confusing. In a recent discussion most of the old contributors here seemed to want to stop the practice. — Hippietrail 00:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Rightly, by the way. Noun phrase is not a part of speech, nor is any other phrase. Ncik 08:09, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and one more note for the record. I originally listed black and white as a noun phrase before HT did his magic.

Cheers, --Stranger (SSL69 22:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC))


Why did you remove the reference from Cerebropathy? (see version with ref present) Ceyockey 04:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

bad night

This is what appeared in recent additions last night:

N User:NeilKelty; 00:15 . . (Talk)

Given the content and that it was posted by an anonymous user, I RFD'd it. It looked to me like an anonymous user was trying to create a user without logging in.

On other fronts, my behaviour last night appears less than stellar. Let me know if this was another error on my part and I'll do what I can to contact the website and apologise.


--Stranger 13:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi. You did right to RFD User:NeilKelty - it was spamvertising - I have deleted it. SemperBlotto 13:59, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


The basic new addition boilerplate has "noun" hard-coded. It is getting to be a pain adjusting things like collegial. Could you have another think. Cheers/ SemperBlotto 19:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Aye aye! I'll get right to it. (I was hoping for some feedback on the Basic/Intermediate/Advanced before going ot the trouble of re-adding the P.O.S. templates. I was also hoping someone else might take a shot at enhancing those templates.) --Connel MacKenzie 03:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
All better now? --Connel MacKenzie 04:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank You and Question

First off, thank you, SemperBlotto, for monitoring the pages and fixing things around here (including mine). The IHOP page has a headline saying that it is requested for deletion. I looked on the appropriate page for a listing, which does not exist. Could you please fix this? Thank you. End of line.

SnoopY 19:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

English header

Following SnoopY's example, I also want to express my thanks to you for cleaning up the tosh I produce.

I don't understand your edit of totem_pole. I thought we weren't suppose to use the {{en}} header; instead, I thought we were to replace it whenever we found it with "==English==".

Thanks. Peace. --Stranger 15:06, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, I just made the changes that were actually needed. I probably didn't even notice the template. I do change them normally (but there are people (even sysops) who still use them). SemperBlotto 15:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I changed it. I just want to do things correctly. Cheers, --Stranger 16:31, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

fibre optics

I saw you did a lot of work on this. Thanks for you work. However, didn't the US invent the stuff - therefore, shouldn't it be listed with a default US spelling of fiber optics? --Stranger 11:27, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

  • The ways things are - the first person to put it in the dictionary decides which way to spell it. You could move them all - but you've probably got better things to do with your time. SemperBlotto 14:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Is that how it is? Sorry, mis-understood "policy". I thought we weren't supposed to do things like "World Trade Centre". Oh well, score one more for the Brits then. Cheers, --Stranger 16:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
      • "World Trade Center" is the only spelling because it is a proper noun, in the same way that it is "Pearl Harbor" and not "Pearl Harbour". Sorry, perhaps I should be posting this on --Stranger's page. I'll let him/her know. — Paul G 13:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


I noticed you deleted a redirect of this. Is what I did more what you had in mind? Cheers, --Stranger 16:24, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


Say what? {Seas@WP.en}

The WP article on tosh [4] is deleted. That's some awesome irony there.


Thanks for welcoming me. I rarely come here though. Just an occasional glance once a fortnight or so. As for your noble quest to add cricket terms: w:List of cricket terms should help you out. Thanks, Nichalp 05:35, 3 September 2005 (UTC)


Subscripts can be done like this H2SO4. Messy, but if there is a better way I don't know about it. Cheers. -- Nick1nildram 09:03, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, I knew that - getting them into a title is the problem. SemperBlotto 14:14, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

User:Wonderfool/Wiktionarian of the month

You are my Wiktionarian of the month, after a little bit of thought. Congrats --Expurgator t(c) 10:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

test match

Is this supposed to be capitalised? Similarly with test nation and even test. Cheers, --Stranger 14:39, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Well done for spotting that. They were originally uppercase, but got moved at conversion time. SemperBlotto 15:35, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


Please copy Babel templates from the English Wikipedia rather than from Meta or some other project as the colors don't quite match otherwise. The templates should also put you, for example, in both Category:User it-3 and Category:User it, rather than just Category:User it-3. Krun

todo lists

You may not have noticed I added /todo2 yesterday. I took one pass at them already. I am stunned at how many (incorrect) variations there are of "Alternative spellings". Have fun! --Connel MacKenzie 08:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for helping the newbie (me)! Ed Poor 22:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

tropical cyclone

Thanks of the help. This is my first article contribution on Wiktionary. I moved tropical storm to tropical cyclone to make the two projects parallel. Also, I had some external links on the page that went to scientific pages on tropical storms. Is this no right, because an IP user removed them? Thanks again. Psy guy 12:19, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Stratified squamous tissue

I'm no expert - I just look up the meanings - but this one certainly looks duff to me. Thanks for asking. Jonathan Webley 07:33, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Organic chemicals

No problem with the suggested change, since it only has one item so far. Eclecticology 07:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Wow, nice work on tradecraft. You whittled down my longwinded rambling definition to a few choice words, and even expanded the scope so it wasn't just spies. Ed Poor 16:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


Hm, I'm fairly sure this has a lower-case b. It's a common noun, after all, even though it derives from a proper noun. Compare "wellingtons", "pavlova", "cardigan", etc. — Paul G 13:37, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey there

Would it be possible for you to look into deleting the entry aspiette? There is currently discussion on Wikipedia that this word may be a neologism. Check out [5] and [6]. Thanks for your help, and have a great day! --HappyCamper 16:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

deletion of molecular nitrogen

Um, that term came straight out of my ecology book and the mouth of my ecology teacher. Next time at least put an rfd, or better yet rfv before deleting, please. Citizen Premier 22:28, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Citizen, the "rfv" concept is brand new and still experimental. At less than a day old, it is not known if the community will adopt the practice. (Sorry for intruding on the conversation here.) --Connel MacKenzie 07:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


I'm not sure that back-pedal is quite the same as facade/façade, but sheesh. --Connel MacKenzie 07:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess. Cheers! --Connel MacKenzie 19:25, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Subtle, subtle

Ah, I see! The criteria for notability is slightly different here than it is on Wikipedia. Thanks for the tip. --HappyCamper 01:54, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

access time

Hi Jeff, I've replied to this on my user page. I take it you saw my comments on "aspiette" there as well? — Paul G 13:54, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank You

Greetings, SemperBlotto, Thank you for your comments. I appreciate them greatly. (Thanks for the help--I was wondering about that myself.) SnoopY 22:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


I noticed that diffusion needs to be fixed up, and I noticed that you are a good fixer-upper. Thanks for fixing up statistician, Hogghogg 03:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Woah, you already got it! Nice work. Hogghogg 03:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
p.s. Are you a chemist? Hogghogg 17:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I used to be a research chemist with w:Unilever - before I swapped profssions and became a computer programmer. I am now retired. SemperBlotto 17:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Welcome.

Thanks. I feel welcome. BD2412 22:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the reference. I must say I still dont get it. Are you guys putting every single entry onto these lists separately? But then they'll never be complete. I am used to the nl system where you simply put say {{-en-}} above an entry in English and that automatically puts the entry into the category:English words. Is there any reason why you guys dont use templates? nl:Gebruiker:Jcwf. PS Greetings fellow chemist!

We don't use templates that contain ==thing== (and any that get created will be deleted). This is because of a Wiki bug. With that sort of template you can no longer edit a section of an article - you end up editing the template itself (and some users don't notice). We seem to manage OK without them. I look forward to your Akkadian entries (a language that i had never heard of!). SemperBlotto 14:27, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I had noticed the bug problem on other wikti's. As Akkadian goes: it has been dead for 2000 years and is written in cuneiform. I dug out a dozen words or so and put them on nl. I just wanted to see how far people were here. I also tried to put some Sumerian (dead by 4000 years..) on nl but ran into a real problem. The transliteration that is in common use expresses each glyph separately and there are often multiple symbols with the same syllabic value (perhaps different in tone as in Chinese I wonder?) Anyway, a word like ma4 is therefore distinct from ma5. Unfortunately you cannot use subscripts in titles, you get [[ma4]] and that's not clickable. Any suggestions? nl:Gebruiker:Jcwf

You should try our Beer Parlour. We have at least one entry with a superscript - E=mc² - but I don't know any with subscripts. SemperBlotto 14:41, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Further to the templates. Is there anything against putting the == == outside the template but put a category inside it? The latter is really handy because it keeps track of what has been written. Jcwf 14:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I should have said - that is what some people already do. You might consider just having a single category for your language, rather than one for each part of speech. You will probably be the only person who uses it. We have no real evidence that our users ever use categories to find things. SemperBlotto 16:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

deleting redirects

Um, I don't think I'd like to provide the list if you are just going to delete the (correct) redirects!

I'll see what I can do...

(Pooched is a Canadianism/Vancouverism I learned from Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie, in their Internet Help Desk skit.)

--Connel MacKenzie 22:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Since this seems like a cleanup of the conversion, rather than a recurring problem, I just did a one-liner to generate the list (that I posted on my talk page, for lack of a better place.) It then occurred to me to also list everything with ===Proper noun=== that doesn't start with an upper case charcter. That list is a bit longer, and really should be moved somewhere appropriate. --Connel MacKenzie 00:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)



Howdy, the only thing I could reckon as it might be'd be the 3rd person singular of "to wait" (aspettà) in Neapolitan. Though that is using a sort of "pop" orthography (lack of standardization is a beautiful thing but a troublesome beast as well). Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance.E. abu Filumena 06:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Boi

I recently submitted a new word called Boi, it is a word people from the midlands area in the UK have been using for over a year. So it was about time that the word had a real meaning, and what better place to start the new word than on the biggest open source dictionary in the world.

I simply want to know why the word was deleted. It is not offensive, does not discriminate and is used frequently enough to justify a place in the dictionary.

Thank you

Matthew Beeston

  • Matthew. I could not find the word in any online or print dictionary that I have access to; so presumed that it was one of the very many joke entries that we get. I recommend putting it in Appendix:List of protologisms for the time being. From there it can become a proper dictionary word when other people verify it. Cheers. SemperBlotto 16:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

-Thanks for the information, It is a word used all the time in my area. I have put it on the protologism list and i think that is all I can do. One more question... how do other people verify the word if it isnt in any dictionary? Thanks

  • Somebody else comes along and adds it like you did. Somebody like me tries to delete it and sees it in the Protologism list so makes it into a decent article if the two definitions are similar. This is not necessarily an invitation for you to get your mate to do it! By the way - does it really start with an uppercase B? SemperBlotto 18:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Yet Another To Do List

User talk:Connel MacKenzie/redirects.

Have fun! I think I'm done with the "Dead ends" section. The rest look like tedious work. --Connel MacKenzie 17:52, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I think perhaps the best way to deal with these is to delete them and leave them red, so that they can be reentered properly, more easily. In particular, the plurals, past tense and participles that redirect to the inflected form should not. Deleting these kinds of redirects are OK, even in *my* book.  :-) --Connel MacKenzie 23:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

One more to the list:

User talk:Connel MacKenzie/typos

This one is derived from Wiktionary:List of common misspellings by throwing that list against Wiktionary itself. Spelling errors in a dictionary are unlikely; these seem to consume more time to correct, than the mundane formatting errors.

I'll move the remnants of that other list to the end of:

User talk:Connel MacKenzie/todo

as that page is small, and that is a more reasonable place for them.


--Connel MacKenzie 23:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


Aren't common misspellings supposed to be stub entries that point to the correct entry? The last time this came up, this was entered exactly as it is supposed to be; an aide to people looking up a term. Was there a recent conversation about this I missed? --Connel MacKenzie 19:27, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, I must have missed that. Feel free to restore it. SemperBlotto 21:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


I used to use {{rndc}} then woke up one day and realized that as a sysop, I'm supposed to delete copyvios as soon as I see it (with the deletion comment indicating what it is a copyvio of.) --Connel MacKenzie 22:29, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jeff,

Could you separate out transitive and intransitive senses of verbs that you enter, please? Writing "transitive or intransitive" isn't sufficient because some senses might be transitive or intransitive only. Even if all senses are both transitive and intransitive, they still need to be written out separately so that any synonyms and translations added later are associated with transitive or intransitive senses accordingly. I've just edited throng - could you check that I've separated the senses correctly? Thanks. — Paul G 11:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


Yes, your format for liason was better than mine. I hated putting ==English== at the top, because it isn't. Will it show up in your next todo list though? SemperBlotto|Talk 15:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

No, I exclude anything that contains "common misspelling" if it is two lines or less. I think we have a total of three or four dozen entries like that. I think here on en.wikt:, we limit misspellings to those of English words, but that would also be good to have Beer Parlor confirmation on. --Connel MacKenzie 15:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Jeff, when I do misspellings I put the language at the top. I think it's important to do this. For example, "liason" is an English misspelling (because the French wouldn't make this mistake with their word "liaison", because that would given it a different pronunciation), even though it isn't an English word. So "liason" belongs under "English", but not under "French" or just by itself with no language.
I do omit the part of speech, though, because if a word has more than one part of speech, it's probably going to be misspelled for all of them; and "liason" isn't a noun - it's just a misspelling of a noun, and you can find out that it is a noun when you go to liaison. — Paul G 18:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


Alright, thanks for telling me, I'll work on that now. Private Butcher 16:15, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


This is chinese.

Requesting pronunciations

Hi Jeff,

If you want to ask me to add a pronunciation to an entry, you can now just stick the template {{rfp}} in the entry. It will get added to a category which I will review from time to time when I remember to do it. There is also {{rfap}} to request an audio pronunciation, but I am not able to do these. — Paul G 09:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


Hi, It's not clear to me what exactly are the criteria for inclusion/exclusion of archaic, 'loan words' etc. Anschauung does appear in the OED but is it appropriate for Wiktionary? Dlyons493 Talk 10:57, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, I've added a lowercase English version. SemperBlotto|Talk 11:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


Thank you for fullfilling my request for pathogenesis. (I found it in a wikipedia article I was looking up.) Boy, you're fast! It took less than hour. I came back to try to fix it up myself and it was already done. Take care. JillianE 16:37, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


I added a second verb definition to your last edit of cook-off. I am actually in the Army, and we term a cook-off to be when you have cooked the grenade so long it explodes in your hand; pulling the pin and counting to two is termed cooking.The Invisable O 18:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


Why the mass deletion of the plural redirects? It makes no sense. --Dangherous 18:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Don't blame me - I'm not doing it. SemperBlotto|Talk 18:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


>>Hi there. Could you do us a favor and make maculare into one of your nicely formatted Latin entries please. Cheers. SemperBlotto|Talk 11:32, 6 November 2005 (UTC)<<

Ahoy, chief! —AugPi 12:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


Congratulations on entry no. 100,000. I tried my best to make that entry an entry in my mother tongue, Norwegian, with entries like ytringsfrihet (freedom of expression) and menneskerettighetsforkjemper (human rights activist), which I think would have a good no. 100,000 entry, because they tell us (in a non-English languge, of course) what Wiktionary and all the other wikis are all about. But, alas, you got that entry no. 100,000 with your entry colposcope, or whatever it was... Caretaker Gorgon 12:17, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Educational technology

I have definitions of educational technology from four sources: from the Leeds Metropolitan University branch of the Association of University Teachers from the Northeastern Illinois University from the Australian Society for Educational Technology from the Encyclopedia of Educational Technology published by the Department of Educational Technology, San Diego State University 19:20, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

new York

I restored this redirect again. The capitalization redirects stay only because we have no tool that tells us how often the "wrong" entry is referenced externally (i.e. from Wikipedia, WikiNews, etc.) Has something about that decision changed recently? --Connel MacKenzie T + C # 21:48, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


User:Connel MacKenzie has been maintaining a dispute with User:Ncik over a number of things, and I'm trying to find common ground. One in particular has been over this template that Ncik has been using to replace the "accepted" template used by you and others. I personally think that Ncik's template is an improvement, and I don't see you or the others mentioned by Connel as raising any objections about Ncik's changes. Do you have any strong opinions over the verb template? Eclecticology 00:47, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I have no objection to people using either template, unless you want to force me to use either of them. I can never remember their names or format, and can never figure out how to use them with verbs that are transitive and/or intransitive. SemperBlotto|Talk 08:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. The basic response is what I expected. I think that Ncik's idea can be even easier to use if most of the bolding is moved to the template. Then one only needs to remember the order of the inflections. It can even be adapted to regular verbs. I think that the magic formulas for generating these inflections are harder to remember and deal with than simply typing in all five and being done with it. Transitivity should not be a part of this issue. I have no intention of forcing anyone to use either method; if one form ends up clearer and easier to use people will naturally start to use it. This is unfortunate for the person who developed the more complicated method, which no doubt required proportionally more work, who now sees his work going for naught. Eclecticology 19:06, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Deleted new entry: Lonkie

Would you be satisfied as to the existence of the word if I were to request it and A.N. Other were to fill in the article? and that it gradually were refined by a number of others?

No word that is in regular use by more than one or two persons is 'tosh' (which is in itself a colloquial word). I denoted it as colloquial, and even the OED deigns to do this with apparently anomolous words on a regular basis.

Language is in constant flux - that nobody has yet defined a given word for you does not mean that it is not in use, nor does it mean that it does not have a verifiable semantic content.


I've done the pronunciation of gli for you. I've learned something new - the SAMPA symbol for the consonant at the start. IPA is a backwards lambda, which I already knew, and I expect you did too, if that is what Zingarelli uses, while SAMPA uses a capital L, which is quite neat, I think. — Paul G 14:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

...and the IPA and SAMPA symbols for "gn" (as in "gnocchi") are ɲ and J respectively. — Paul G 17:59, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Standard usage "Mac"

Thanks for the Welcome {:-)

Shouldn't the standard form be MacArthur rather than the two word version? SemperBlotto 15:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I might well have thought so, but followed the form of the only other "Mac" that I found defined, which I believe was MacKenzie and was also a redirect... If that's not correct then a standard needs to be set. Doc 17:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Pardon my interruption. The prefix Mac or Mc before a K will have a space more often than when before an A. I don't know if there is any consistent hard-and-fast rule that can be said about it. I've certainly seen Mackenzie often enough (sometimes correct, more often incorrect.) --Connel MacKenzie 04:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


I don't think not formatting new entries to your standards is a valid reason to block someone. This is exactly why I left the Japanese Wiktionary. You should unblock him/her and apologize. Gerard Foley 12:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jeff,

In case you're thinking of following my lead, I've done a little more research and found that I had the wrong symbol for Welsh "ll" in Llanelli. I've corrected it now (it's /ɬ/ in IPA, and /K/ in SAMPA, which I already had), and updated the comment on that page. — Paul G 09:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

common misspellings

Yo! Some common misspellings are getting into /todo3. See the final section for examples. Maybe I have misspelled misspelling ! SemperBlotto|Talk 10:16, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

When I was more active here, I used to patrol anonymous recent changes, from 2000 to 1500 most recent. Patrolling those entries turned up a tremendous amount of garbage. Additionally, those entries were a couple days old, so the anons that drop in to enter a protologism usually check on their word the next day to see that it is still there; three to five days later they don't bother. Now that no one is patrolling anonymous edits, a lot more crap is getting entered and slipping through the cracks.
Right now, my off-line tools check only for the most rudimentary formatting. As you well know, entries that make it onto my "/todo" lists are often just garbage entries. The last hundred (therefore the most recent hundred) are likely the worst of the lot. --Connel MacKenzie 22:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for your help, I was confused as to how to format such a small amount of information as that. Bcatt 19:48, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Language ?

what do you mean by language statement? I've indicated that "Balanghai" is a Malay word. Ive also placed its pronunciation key.


I'm sorry, but manwhore is not a protologism. Please at least nominate for a request for varification before deleting. Manwhore gets about 60,900 hits on google and is said in movies, books and everyday life. This is more than a protologism. Iamnotanorange 05:06, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

red links

OK, I can keep this one red because every one older than 12 knows what a pipe organ is, but I need to keep "harmonium" linked to Wikipedia because learning about that is essential to understanding the definition. (I created these entries anonymously.)
Also, I noticed you are adding too many links to my entries. Wikiformatting guidelines state clearly that you shouldn't add too many links to an entry (e.g., adding more links than lines, linking low-value items without reason). I use the rule of thumb that if it wouldn't say q.v. ("which see") or see also in a dictionary or encyclopedia, then it probably doesn't need a link here. Primetime 14:25, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

chemo- chemo

Please see note Talk:chemo#A_.22see_also.22 where I saw your new entry chemo- and then wondered whether chemo- and chemo should be linked together. You will definitely know better than I. But this is a larger problem space - consider radio vs. radio-. People using wiktionary may not know that adding a little '-' will get them an entirely different entry!


You added a template to this article reading:

This page does not have a ==language== statement, and it is not obvious what language should be specified. If one is not supplied within the next month, it will be listed for deletion.

the definition of the word is

a Chinese transliteration of the word "aspirin"

how can it be any more obvious what language it is? I'm going to change it now. Gerard Foley 16:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

  • I thought that there were multiple languages in China - Mandarin and something else. SemperBlotto 16:21, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Badagnani has updated it. It looks like Mandarin and Cantonese only differ by the pronunciation of the word. It's better to ask Badagnani about this type of thing though. A badly formatted entry is better then no entry at all. All the Chinese character entries are in a crap format, but the information is there, and won me €10 a few months ago! --Gerard Foley 16:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

The Chinese dialects all use the same characters, but it is true that in some instances (esp. between Mandarin and Cantonese speakers) different characters are used to spell the same word. Most of the time, the characters are exactly the same but the pronunciations (and tones) can be quite different. There are many dialects but Mandarin and Cantonese are the most widely used, so that's probably why those are the two whose pronunciations are given here. Badagnani 17:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Formatting Chinese/Japanese entries

I'll do my best to help clean some of these up; it seems from looking at the ones on your "to do" list that some are already quite well done, and others have as few as one word as a definition. My Asian language skills aren't very good but I can look things up; eventually native speakers of these languages can fix them up. I agree with Gmcfoley that badly formatted entries are at least a start, and can be continuously improved. Badagnani 17:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks. I may be a slow learner, but will get there eventually.Andrew massyn 10:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks. I may be a slow learner, but will get there eventually.Andrew massyn 10:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


I've replied to your post. Any comment is welcome.

Ncrfgs 08:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jeff, I noticed that you put [Exi---nt] on RfV. We just got through a troublesome debate over the same word on, involving the same IP user that created the article here. He promised to provide a published source, but never came through. You might want to take a look at [7] for the record of the debate. And feel free to contact me at my Wikipedia talk page if you have any questions. All the best, FreplySpang 17:02, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The word Exicornt

Why do you insist on deleting Exicornt's definition? It's a short term we use to describe a double crossover junction. The page now redirects. Please stop. Anonymous 10:30, 2 December 2005 (est)

I guess wiktionary doesn't allow for slang terms, and that is why it kept getting deleted. That's why it also redirects to an error page now 03:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

SemperBlotto: The so-called verification of Exicornt is a hand-written diagram. You cannot verify the existence of a word that way. You could make up any word.
Okay, have it your way. 22:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

fixed ashtray

Thanks for notifying me about the oops. I'm entering some stuff from an old book. Apparently it's not very accurate... Polyglot 17:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

apple dumpling and applesauce

English is a tough language. That's for sure. Polyglot 21:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

  • and Dutch is easy to pronounce (I worked in Delft for a while and gave up the language instantly) SemperBlotto 23:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Hehe, Dutch has almost as many vowels as consonants. It's one of only three languages with that property. I can imagine it makes it harder to pronounce it though. The advantage for us is that we can easily learn to pronounce even tough languages like Polish rather accurately. The language is also the language that is most related to English. Dutch and German seem more related, and they probably are, but there are many things common between Dutch and English as well.
    • I'll add the stub template to the words I'm adding. I have always been more interested in translations than in anything else. I found this book with all the culinary terms in 6 languages and I wanted to add them. It's not very accurate, but I guess the errors will be ironed out with time. This kind of work is more rewarding, fun and constructive than checking which anomalous, I mean anonymous, of course, users added nonsense again lately. The weeding is necessary too, to keep the project useful, but it's a chore. And then there's always the chance that I get a bit overzealous... and step on people's toes. Polyglot 17:36, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
      • I just checked upon my latest contributions and I can confirm you improved all the ones that needed it. Thanks Polyglot 17:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for telling me about having separate entries for alternate spellings. Could you please point me to the style page (if one exists) with recommendations for how to handle these? I have some other entries that will need to be split, and want to know the preferred method for noting which spelling is used in American versus British English. --EncycloPetey 12:33, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Saurus format?

Jeff, Good morning. I've been tinkering with a new format for Saurus, and I wonder what you think of it. Could you please have a look at this page and tell me if I've improved matters? Thanks. --Dvortygirl 05:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

You should be careful what you have linked to your user page, you know. People around here are just crazy enough to read it.  :-) Since this doesn't really belong in Saurus, I moved it here. You have a delete button, so feel free to take it down when you're done with it. --Dvortygirl 05:17, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


(You wrote on my talk page:) I think you must mean teratophilia - it isn't a proper noun, so isn't capitalised. teratophiliac needs its own entry and, if its definition is "someone . ." must be a noun not an adjective. Here is the standard welcome . . SemperBlotto 18:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. I have fixed both issues. If you have a chance, plese check that I have used proper formatting as I am new to wiktionary. BTW on wikipedia it is now standard to subst such talk page tempaltes as Template:Welcome to reduce server load. is this not standard on wiktionary? Thanks again. DES (talk) 18:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


Just saw your note about the Etymology of the entry for third degree. Yes it is correct, 100% absolutely.

If you come across any more, Tell me & I'd be glad to look at them.

Cleanup progress

Hi there. I've got to the end of level3. There are still a lot outstanding and waiting for verification etc. I'll have another go when it gets refreshed. I've started to look at level2 - I'm wondering if you could write a bot to change all ==stuff== to ==stuff== ?

User talk:Connel MacKenzie/todo2

Now that todo3 is nearly done, and todo2 is also mostly clean, I guess I need to re-enable the logic that displays entries with no language heading at all. The last time I did that, I think I got about 27,000 entries. I need to figure out how to exclude the entries from Special:Contributions/NanshuBot somehow. I'm sure that besides those entries, there are still many with no level two heading at all (that are not on todo2 or todo3.) I'm open to ideas. --Connel MacKenzie T C 17:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I was composing this message to you when you sent your message. Weird.

The bot "" is what I'm using now for individual substitutions. Yes, I can change all ==stuff== to ==stuff== but it is often incorrect to do so. Perhaps I could use the list of todo2 to build an exception list. The problem with that is that it is the obscure languages that should be wikified. That's why I've been doing todo2 manually. I'd guess that any language that has less than 100 entries here on en.wikt: probably should be wikified.

Slightly higher on my list, is to 'bot replace =={{stuff}}== with =={{subst:stuff}}== since those are always wrong. --Connel MacKenzie T C 17:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


Is Wonderfool / Newnoise / Expurgator / Foumidable being a pest here too? The Wikipedia community and ArbCom has blocked him many times already. I am aware that he managed to get sysophood here, and has subsequently had that revoked, and blocked. I recommend that an eye is kept on him, as he has a tendency to cloak his so-called "nihilartikels" (although I'm not sure he knows what that means) around a large number of decent proper edits, but I don't know Wiktionary policy so will leave this polite notice here. --Raul654 23:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Christmas competition

Your input is needed on the rules for the Christmas competition. There are various interpretations of what you mean by "simple words". Could you clarify, please? Thanks. — Paul G 09:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for pointing that out. I think I got it, let me know what you think.


Blanked. See the comments I have made on my page. Thanks for pointing this out. — Paul G 18:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Philosophy Wiki

I am going to create a philosophy appendix on the front page. I think it would be great if we had a philosophy dictionary. I am not a philosopher by any means, but I find myself constantly looking for quick approximate definitions of the words that philosophers have made up. Google scholar yields terrible results most of the time. Would you help me find the means to exact this end? Iamnotanorange 19:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! (hey, philosophy is at least a seperate dialect) Iamnotanorange 23:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


In the pronunciation section of the Italian entry, should the s's be z's (compare "cinese", "francese", etc)? — Paul G 16:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I just wondered what your Zingarelli says. — Paul G 16:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Bad title

What is up with this entry? Isn't that one of the entries that is supposed to be deleted automatically each night (perhaps by UncleG's 'bot?) --Connel MacKenzie T C 07:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

evolution reversion

First of all, why are you rolling back non-vandalism, that's quite rude. Second, Wiktionary:What Wiktionary is not says: "A Wiktionary entry should focus on matters of language and wordsmithing: spelling, pronunciation, etymology, translation, usage, quotations, and links to related words and concepts." In what ways do (at least part of) the things I pasted not fall under this criterion? I specifically moved it from Wikipedia because it read like a dictionary entry, and hence, was not encyclopedic (as per WP:NOT). Admittedly, the information was framed like a Wikipedia article, but I was counting on a knowledgable Wiktionary user to trim and format it appropriately, not perform a wholesale reversion. 10:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Noticed your Amgine support

Really curious; how does someone ignore his misbehaviour. Do you simply not look at it ? not think its true ? or figure his good points outweigh any type of misbehaviour ? I mean, to me, it would be like encouraging a school board to hire a convicted child molester to teach 2nd. graders because you think he's a good teacher and just ignoring the fact of the conviction; so I do you do it? What is the actual mental process that leads you to support him and simply ignore his history of conflict and administrative abuse? Methodology 19:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Taxonomic orders, caps?

Should Cetacea be at the lower case? It's a taxonomic order and that is higher than genera... I'm not sure that even applies beyond wikipedia. So I don't know if the entry should be lower case and I don't know if the usage should be upper case. And I can't decide if it has a plural? There's only one order called Cetacea so how can it be used plural? JillianE 03:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I've converted it to our standard taxonomic format. I shall deal with the red links later. Cheers. SemperBlotto 08:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Have you confirmed with Cartman that it was not him????

He may have had a momentary log off situation. If not, please put his comments back until he has time to respond to your inquiry. Methodology 22:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


user:Dangherous added the Finnish translation. I was working on Special:Wantedpages which listed several words that are used in template:Fi11a such as at omena. About all I can say is that it is a noun case in Finnish and there are 14 of them (I remembered that there were 14 in Finnish, then I counted the number of entries in the fi11a box to confirm it.)

I was going to go look for someone who spoke Finnish to figure out what that case is used for, but I see you've already added that. (There are several related entries I created).

I apologize for making you extra work. JillianE 01:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Just a thought

Hello Blotto instead of blocking me all the time can you mentor me with wikts?

Can we have that in English? SemperBlotto 15:41, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

yes Blotto iam asking you to help me. i like this site and come up with good wikts. thanks was that a joke? english?

i hope my is not like crap as you put it. sorry. rice rat rice marsh?? what is that mean???

wrapped in cabbages?? wow. had no idea i thought it was like something else??

Oakley a mans name.

Are woman not allowed to have Oakley as a surname?


go easy on me. TSO i got wrong whats new. i got your spin bowler.

taking a short break thanks again Blotto let me get out of your way.

Help: Vandal

Mayodan (I suspect a known vandal, because I reverted soemthing he revandalized) is very active today. I left notes at tea room asking where I report vandalism. Sorry to bother you on Christmas.

P.S. Merry Christmas!

JillianE 20:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

definition vandalism

Just so you know, I've been watching two users vandalise the definition page over and over. I'd revert their edits, but they seem to keep going, so I thought I'd just leave a note with you so it will get fixed later, when they've gotten tired and gone away. --EncycloPetey 09:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...they seem to have finally quit. All the same, you might look in on the history of that page and see what other mischief they were up to, in case they come back. --EncycloPetey 09:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Help:Starting a new page

I agree that there should be something there about starting from the search box. I started by editing the FAQ page and followed links to end up at "Starting a new page". That's when I discovered (to my extreme annoyance) that Uncle G used a bot to override anything this community might be doing with the help pages, and sought to prevent anyone from editing these pages. "Starting a new page" strikes me as something more suited to the Help: namespace than the Wiktionary: namespace. In some ways this problem has an affinity to the one about indexes where these pages just happen without being noticed until some time after the fact. It doesn't help when some others aren't keen about merging this stuff. Does this sound too much like a rant? Eclecticology 20:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


Sorry about that. I've been using a star to start an entry when it consists solely of see somewhere else. And I wasn't going to be able to stop myself from this private notation until someone mentioned it. You just mentioned it. JillianE 15:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Alt spellings

I hadn't noticed a template for that (I had seen it used in one place but I didn't check what the template was). Note that the way I entered libellous it comments that this is a less common spelling (the google counts, which is the rough way I measure usage, are on the talk page). Wording sounds like it could be improved somehow, but I don't know what would be better.

I've made a note of the template for future use.JillianE 15:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


Nuvola apps important.png An edit war is starting at Wiktionary:Entry layout explained. Please take a look at the page.

Gerard Foley 03:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)