User talk:Sumerophile

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If you choose to add lexemes of it, you must do so using Unicode 5.0 cuneiform signs, not in the romanized form. Entries inside Category:Sumerian nouns and elsewhere need lots of expert attention, and relocation, so if you're interested.. ^_^ --Ivan Štambuk 23:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[1] - this doesn't look quite right to me. Iranian languages does exist as a linguistic classification, "Old Iranian" is just temporal. So far all the languages here are classified on the former criterion, there's no need to disrupt that. Maybe using both the genetic (usual language families) and temporal classification (Old/Middle/Modern Iranian) simultaneously? --Ivan Štambuk 23:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Technically the two attested 'Old' languages are grouped together as a sub-branch. They're named such because they are also the two oldest attested languages in the Iranian branch. Sumerophile
Oof maybe not, I just found Avestan listed as a Northeastern Iranian language and Old Persian listed as a Southwestern one. Sumerophile 23:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I was just about to save saying the same thing (in a more lengthy reply), when edit conflict occurred... :) So, add the new categories and don't remove the old ones. --Ivan Štambuk 23:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
BTW, I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh or insultive, I certainly don't mean to. I can assume your confusion comes from WP experience. Things are here a bit different, because Wiktionary aims to be a dictionary of all the words in all languages, so that the division between topical categories (i.e. metadata on lexemes by their meanings) needs strictly be separated from everything other (metadata on languages and their properties - in this case temporal and geographical). --Ivan Štambuk 00:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • [2] - still not good. Foreign language entries' topical categories are suppose to exactly match those of English ones, and have ISO 639 code as prefix of them. So for German word it would be Category:de:Sumer. Usually things like these are handled by means of Category:Context labels. Please spend some times familiarizing yourself with the structure of Wiktionary before engaging in more numerous edits. --Ivan Štambuk 01:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Do the English categories have Category:en:Sumer? I'm just trying to get an ANE section started, and won't spend much time here. Sumerophile 02:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, is there a way to create a link between the ANE category and the Languages of the ANE category - a template or something? Sumerophile 02:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
No, English topical categories don't have en: prefix, only the FL ones.
There's no way to link those. Language categories are only for words in those languages, they're suppose to subsume the <language code>: mirroring of the English topical categories. Linking them any other way whould create anomalies (like with what I've been doing with {{Sanskrit}} for Pāṇinian grammar terminology, but I see no other way to handle it).
Think about it - users browsing ANE category are interested on English words whose context refers to the ANE, not the words in the languages of the ANE. Entry on Sumerian in ANE category is already contained in ":Category:Sumerian language", so that's an indirect link between them you might be looking for.
As for the ANE - that's too bad. I was hoping that you were some cuneiform lunatic that'll put "Birth of humanity" in Unicode cuneiform on some userpage, wikify it and start adding every redlinked word.. :) But, as you please. --Ivan Štambuk 02:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry :) I'm busy building a portal. Sumerophile 02:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Copying the category you're adding into edit summary field would be useful. --Ivan Štambuk 00:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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