User talk:Torgo

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Conjugation templates[edit]

Hi again! I hope that this conjugation and declension category page can be of some help to you: Conjugation and declension templates. There are also some language templates that have not been placed into this category yet. If this category is not helpful to you, you might want to try doing a search for them. One of the terms that you can use to do a search is "conj". Good luck. --Dijan 06:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

You might also want to look at Inflection templates. --Dijan 06:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation[edit]

Thought you might find these useful. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 03:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see you finally got off your lazy ass. Thanks. :-) -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 18:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the work you're doing on pronunciations. I've reinstated and fixed the SAMPA at intermittent - where the pronunciation includes an = sign you need to prefix it with 1= (or 2= for a second pronunciation, etc), i.e. {{SAMPA|1=/%Int3:(r)"mItn=t/}}. This is because in template syntax everything between a | and = is treated as the name of a parameter. If there is no equals signs, it parses the parameters in the specified order, the 1= is therefore telling it to parse everything up to | or }} (whichever comes first) as the content of the first parameter, rather than treating t/ as the content of an undefined parameter named /%Int3:(r)"mItn. (compare {{quote-book}}). Thryduulf 19:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

photo[edit]

I've never heard photo pronounced /foʊtoʊ/ stateside. Did you mean perhaps /foʊɾoʊ/?—msh210 19:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm currently reading the recent vote on phonemic/phonetic transcription of [ɹ] for English words, and trying to decide how best to transcribe things like photo in light of that. Because you're right that [ˈfoʊɾoʊ] would be the correct phonetic transcription (you'd have to be real stodgy to say [ˈfoʊtoʊ]), I was shooting for a phonemic transcription. It's just questionable how far to take that, because to be purely phonemic, it would be unnecessary to distinguish between RP and US pronunciations in a lot of cases (including photo). Torgo 22:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the best rule of thumb for pronunciations is to do the most precise transcription which would apply to the majority of American speakers. If I'm not mistaken, using the flap instead of the full stop would apply to most American speakers (and I would assume the Brits as well), and should thus be used. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 22:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Probably not the Brits, in this case. While I like that idea, it still doesn't solve the phonemic/phonetic transcription problem. Currently, almost all the pronunciations I've run into are enclosed in slashes, implying a phonemic transcription. But I don't think we want a true phonemic transcription. At least, the Wiktionary:Pronunciation page isn't too clear on what should/shouldn't be used, and after reading that [ɹ] vs. [r] vote, doesn't seem like the community is either. I guess I'll change photo, but this needs to get cleared up a bit. Torgo 22:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)