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Again, welcome! Razorflame 09:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Given names[edit]

What you're doing is fine. Another way would be {{given name|male|lang=el}}, cognate to English Elias. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

αμαξί[edit]

Thanks for spotting my mistake (I DO need keeping an eye on!) - Google translate (not very reliable) translates αμαξί as coachman - is this impossible? —Saltmarshαπάντηση 07:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

μπουλόνι / βλήτρο / βίδα[edit]

Can you help me please with these words. In English (don't be insulted if I clarify!) a screw is generally tapered and used for fixing wood. A bolt is parallel sided and screws into a nut or threaded hole. My dictionaries conflict - maybe some lexicographers are non-mechanical - is "βίδα" a woodscrew and are "μπουλόνι" and/or "βλήτρο" bolts - or can some terms mean both? thanks —Saltmarshαπάντηση 18:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

thanks a lot for the quick answer —Saltmarshαπάντηση 19:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

πονηρός[edit]

After enquiries elsewhere about the best format for degrees of comparison for Greek adjectives, it was suggested that the format used for German words be used (see gut#German). I have now produced a near equivalent, it is not ready for use yet - but have a look at the example at πονηρός. It should take some of the pain out of entering declension tables. Please have a look when you have time - especially have I got the correct forms (for example the presence/absence of vocative forms). ANy comment you could leave at Talk:πονηρός will be gratefully received. If you celebrate Christmas - have a good time! —Saltmarshαπάντηση 17:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The See also heading[edit]

I know what you are saying about my stretching the use of this heading - and I would not normally stretch so far as (for example) including "page" (a small boy accomapnying a bride - παρανυφάκι) in the entry for "page" (σελίδα). Wiktionary:Entry layout explained is a bit short on explanation the use See also, but both uses of "clove" a related to cookery.

Having tried to argue my point however weakly, I feel that a dictionary should be useful (surely the spirit of Wiktionary) - hence some of my inclusions - wikifriendly :) —Saltmarshtalk-συζήτηση 12:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Baklahorani song translation, please?[edit]

Hi, Xoristzatziki. Have you heard of Baklahorani, a recently revived carnival from Istanbul? I've first heard of it from the Wikipedia article on it. I also came across this song, which is in Greek before 2:45 and in (mostly) Turkish after that. I spread the word about it at Wikitravel because I want the website to know about it. One fellow Wikitraveller, Vidimian, had so kindly made a translation of the Turkish part when I asked for it. Now I'm asking whether you're able to transcribe and translate the Greek lyrics of it. If not, I could try the other native Greek speakers here. --Lo Ximiendo 07:50, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

{{el-decl-noun}}[edit]

I am not sure why you created this template - there are 3 generic templates ({{el-n-gen}}, {{el-n-genS}} and {{el-n-genP}}) for use when the definite article is not required - they are listed at the bottom of Wiktionary:Greek noun inflection-table templates. — Saltmarshαπάντηση 16:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

sorry for delay. I do not remember creating such a template (not sure if pages with contribs are working OK or still have problems so do not relay on them). I just added (in talk page) my opinion about the use of definitive article inside the table. Maybe I can agree on a presentation like Turkish wiktionary (http://tr.wiktionary.org/wiki/παιδί). Wikifriendly --Xoristzatziki (talk) 14:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about the mistaken attribution :)   The family of Greek noun inflection templates follows the usual format for English Wiktionary inflection tables (see: Bulgarian маса, Russian стол - etc). To change the format & placement would require the general agreement of our editors, AND for someone to change all the templates themselves. Personally I am happy with them the way they are. — Saltmarshαπάντηση 15:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Having read your comment on that talk page more carefully - are you just saying that perhaps the article should be placed in brackets? I suspect that anyone who has got that gar with their Greek grammar will appreciate that the article is not part of the declension of the noun. Do you think that the article should be omitted? — Saltmarshαπάντηση 15:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. Article should not be part of the declension or, at least, be inside brackets. Wikifriendly --Xoristzatziki (talk) 06:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Would you like to comment at Template talk:el-decl-noun#Changing the format ? — Saltmarshαπάντηση 05:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

ξυρός[edit]

Thanks for spotting error - I got my ξυρός mixed up with my ξερός. I would be grateful if you could have a look sometime. — Saltmarshαπάντηση

Name[edit]

No relation to w:Ilias Iliadis/w:el:Ηλίας Ηλιάδης, right? --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

None. --Xoristzatziki (talk) 03:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Ah well. Great name, anyhow. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Greek common gender nouns[edit]

If you have a view on how the headword line of "masculine/feminine" Greek nouns should indicate gender please go to Template talk:el-noun#Common gender nouns. — Saltmarshαπάντηση 05:52, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

νομολογία[edit]

Would you like to check this entry and the related discussion on "Requests for verification" -page? --Hekaheka (talk) 07:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Inflection tables for modern Greek verbs[edit]

I have started adding conjugations to Greek verbs. They are a minefield for an Englishman! I missed you out when I started this, but if you want input please have a look at Wiktionary talk:Greek verb inflection-table templates and Wiktionary:Greek verb inflection-table templates. thanks — Saltmarshαπάντηση 06:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Passive - imperative forms[edit]

I bother you again to ask for advice from a native speaker. Please can you advise me about the imperative forms of passive verbs, my sources vary and I do not have enough experience in the language.

  1. Holton et al (Greek: comprehensive grammar...) says that imperfective forms do not exist in modern Greek - but are sometimes expressed periphrastically.
  2. Ιορδανίδου (Τα ρήματα ...) gives a plural form with a dash for the singular (for λύνομαι: —, λύνεστε)
  3. Triandaphyllidis (trans Burke) gives forms in brackets (for δένομαι: (δένου), (δένεστε))
  4. Tsiotsiou-Moore (Compendium ...) gives periphrastic singular form (for ντύνομαι: (να ντύνεσαι), ντύνεστε)

I think that the options are to print a dash, to put a form in brackets or to print a form - all of which could be accompanied by a footnote. This will be in a template, therefore it will be difficult to have wide variation between entries. — Saltmarshαπάντηση 06:24, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

I have put a tempοrary example at User:Saltmarsh/Sandbox4#δένομαιSaltmarshαπάντηση 06:36, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

It's a little bit tricky... Personally I am for "Holton et al" and it will be better to not include such forms. Types like "τρέχουμε τώρα" have a sense of "you are doing that" and not "do that", although they are used in an "imperative like" manner, in familiar speaking (but not in writings). Wikifriendly --Xoristzatziki (talk) 05:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - I have asked Flyax (Passive - imperative forms) and will wait for a reply, but it looks as though dashes would be best, with perhaps a footnote pointing out that some sources do give forms. Thanks again — Saltmarshαπάντηση 05:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

αγχίνους[edit]

γεια - please can you tell me if I've got the declension of αγχίνους right - thanks— Saltmarshαπάντηση 06:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Seems ok. --Xoristzatziki (talk) 04:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Module:Stem[edit]

Hello. I have been browsing through our modules, cleaning things up and adding categories, and I noticed this one. Its purpose is rather unclear and it does not seem to be used anywhere. If you think we can do without it, just put {{delete}} on the documentation page. If you plan to work on it, though, I would suggest you explain its purpose to the so-called "general public". Keφr 19:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

άεργος/άνεργος[edit]

Thanks for drawing attention to the difference I was unaware of - would referring to someone as άεργος be insulting ? — Saltmarshαπάντηση 06:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

(insulting) Depends on context. Mainly no, but in some cases it could be insulting if he is really poor, jobless and is hard looking for job. --Xoristzatziki (talk) 06:16, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I was of course talking about "normal times" - not Greece's present sad state — Saltmarshαπάντηση 10:36, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

About Greek[edit]

I have asked a question at Wiktionary talk:About Greek#Passive verb entries which you might like to comment on. Saltmarsh (talk) 11:22, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Split etymologies[edit]

Xoristzatziki - please lets talk about any other examples you are unhappy about. — Saltmarsh (talk) 06:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Module:pl-noun/testproposal[edit]

Is this going anywhere? Keφr 22:00, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Please delete that sub page. I included wrong text and lost the original... Thanks for the reminding. --Xoristzatziki (talk) 05:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

New entries[edit]

Thank you for the new entries you have been creating. Please can you make sure you add the Declension/Conjugation heading in all cases. The template {{rfinfl|el|noun/adjective/verb}} should follow this when the infection table is omitted, this helps keep track of entries where these are lacking. Thanks — Saltmarshαπάντηση 06:00, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Βόρεια Ιρλανδία[edit]

I have just changed the Greek translation of Northern Ireland - which is the part of the UK on the island of Ireland; the translation was "Βόρειος Ιρλανδία" before I changed it. But Google shows many instances of Βόρειος Ιρλανδία - would this be "correct"? (The adjective doesn't agree with the noun.) Or does "Βόρειος Ιρλανδία" be "north Ireland" (ie the north part of the Republic of Ireland). cheers — Saltmarshαπάντηση 05:18, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

βόρειος is also feminine (λόγιο -scholar?-). --Xoristzatziki (talk) 04:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

RelatedDerived terms[edit]

Thanks for all the terms that you've been adding under these headings - do you think you could add a gloss when you are doing it? Most of them seem idiomatic, and if I do it I'll miss the point! Thanks — Saltmarshσυζήτηση-talk 18:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure about the exact translation. I add them exactly for providing a hint that there might be something idiomatic. I could provide some hints or periphrases (as gloss) but this will, somehow, "destroy" the image. Will it be better not to add them at all? Or provide the periphrases? (just asking for help which will be better) --Xoristzatziki (talk) 16:11, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I'll be very happy to collaborate with you - perhaps if you add {{attention|el}} and put a <!-- comment --> after each term. It would be an educational exercise for me as well!   — Saltmarshσυζήτηση-talk 05:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

audiobook[edit]

Hi,

I see you're a native speaker of Greek. I've added ακουστικό βιβλίο (akoustikó vivlío) as a translation of audiobook, but is it the most common term to say this? By the way, do you know where I could buy some Greek audiobooks on the Internet? --Fsojic (talk) 10:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I think a better translation is "ηχητικό βιβλίο" or "ηχογραφημένο βιβλίο". And no, I do not have any idea where someone can buy such books. --Xoristzatziki (talk) 10:08, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I've replaced the previous translation. --Fsojic (talk) 10:12, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Spring fever[edit]

I am rewriting the conjugation templates for Modern Greek verbs, and presently working on the 1st Conjugation. The new layout is based on that found in Βικιλεξικό and now includes imperatives. I will try to stick with this to completion for all verbs. Verbs using the new templates can be found in Category:Greek verbs with inflection-tables, I will delete the old templates as they are depopulated and try to produce a decent guide when each conjugation group is completed. I know we have been here before (Spring 2013 and Spring 2014) and will try to stick with it this time.
Please look at a verb or two when you have the odd moment and comment on my talk page. — thanks   — Saltmarshσυζήτηση-talk 06:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

οφείλω[edit]

Is there a "real" difference (I'm talking about verbs in Jiordanidou's "Τα Ρήματα") between verbs like οφείλω which is shown without Aorist and Simple future (perfective) tenses; and verbs like εξεγείρω and, to a lesser extent, κάνω which are shown with identical imperfective &perfective forms.   — Saltmarshσυζήτηση-talk 06:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)