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December 2014

How to add a category[edit]

I'm not a new user but I can't see where else this would fit. I added the names of musical notes in Persian (دو, ر, می, فا, سل, لا and سی), and I added them to 'Category:fa:Musical notes'. However, I can't see how to add a new category (musical notes) to the tree. According to Template:topic cat/documentation, it should explained be at Module:category tree/topic cat, but I think I don't really understand it. Could anyone add this category for me? Thanks. Kaixinguo (talk) 12:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Finnish declensions[edit]

I'm just an occasional user of Wiktionary. Today I looked up word suurempi and I believe I found an error. I would have corrected it, but the declension stuff seems to work with some automatic macros/templates/patterns (whatever they are called) so I'm not sure where the correction should go.

The page says suurempi is declined like vanhempi, which is fine. However, it also says that there is no gradation. Unfortunately gradation is not hyperlinked, but I guess it can only mean consonant gradation. My Finnish lessons are many years in the past, but I don't think there is any other gradation (of course I never learned these terms in English, but I guess we are talking about astevaihtelu here).

As page Appendix:Finnish_nominal_inflection/vanhempi correctly explains on the lower half of the page KOTUS type 16 does obey consonant gradation mp --> mm. Still the inflection pattern in the upper half says "no gradation".

How would that be fixed or am I missing something here? --U1106 (talk) 16:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

All the vanhempi-type words have the mp-mm gradation "built in" so to say. So that may be why it says no gradation; it's technically redundant to the type. But I agree this is somewhat confusing. @Hekaheka: Do you think we should show gradations that are built into certain inflection patterns? —CodeCat 16:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that we should show the gradation. In this declension class the gradation is always mp->mm, but "no gradation" is not right as user U1106 points out. --Hekaheka (talk) 18:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I fixed it now. Apparently I had already made it so it shows gradations that are implied in the type, but in this one case I had made a mistake and it didn't work. —CodeCat 18:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Jijay : Please remove this word from wiktionary[edit]

Hi Admin,

People are having name as "Jijay". your meaning of the name in the wiktionary is "heart breaking". So can you please remove this word from your wiktionary.

The same word will have different meaning in the different languages. So, please remove this word from your wiktionary.

I hope you understand the feeling of the people. Remember that " The man's name is to him the sweetest and most important sound in any language".

Thanks and regards, For the benefit of the people, who have this name.

Wiktionary is not censored. If words are used, we document them. That's our primary goal. —CodeCat 02:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, however, that entry does by coincidence need some serious cleaning. I marked it as RFC. Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Auxiliary verb for "anfangen"[edit]

On English wiktionary, it is claimed that both "haben" and "sein" could be the auxiliary verb for "anfangen" (presumably context dependent). However German wiktionary lists only "haben". If both can be used, could German wiktinoary be updated? Or, if only "haben" works, and Duden seems to say this ("starkes Verb; Perfektbildung mit »hat«"), English wiktionary should be fixed? I'd fix it myself, but for things like these I don't trust my low level of German. :) --Hugovdm (talk) 23:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, i can tell you it's just "haben". Example: "Ich habe angefangen" not "Ich bin angefangen". Maybe in Bavarian, but i am not from Bavaria. - Master of Contributions (talk) 23:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think even people who say "Ich bin gestanden" and "Ich bin gesessen" say "Ich bin angefangen". I'm sure it's just a mistake in the template. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:47, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Having read the usage note, I take that back. Apparently it's nonstandard usage found in some parts of Germany. If de-wikt doesn't have it, that'll be because they're much more prescriptive than we are. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! The differences (between de-wikt and en-wikt policies and guidelines) are good to know about. (I make use of both, together with Duden of course.) --Hugovdm (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

paDava=boat; but not poDava as mentioned in telugu page[edit]



పడవ (paDava)

  1. boat

Category:Telugu nouns Category:te:Transport

mg:పడవ ta:పడవ

Wiktionary suggestions[edit]

  1. Pop up translation from Wiktionary when mouse over word would translate it to English or other languages.English Wiktionary has millions of words (most are inflections) and you can use free OpenSource Kiwix for offline Wikipedia and Wiktionary (but Wiktionary is downloaded separately try using Google) and that offline Wiktionary could be programmed with pop up window to display articles (you can also find pop up code on Google like C++).
  2. Make all words in articles lead to new page related to the word, this can be done with programming when click on any word from article would lead to new articles but text would remain the same and standard wiki link to new article would override it or usual words or phrases.
  3. In each edit in history make report vandalism or spam with short explanation.
  4. Auto-sign when user begins with : but if edits inside between : an signature wouldn't sign it.
  5. Wikibot that would automatically translate via Google Translate articles from English Wikipedia and save them to other Wikipedia's that could save more time in writing articles but only for new articles links and files would be copied by Wikibot and then replaced after translation.
  6. Shortcuts for edit summary for example m minor edit.
  7. When signature is changed automatically change all signature of user (I have seen that in RPG Maker games you can type name of player and that name is displayed in whole game).
  8. TTS Text to Speech like Ekho I have read that it is possible to record ones own voice only vowels and consonants it is about one MB large and can read any text.And other languages as well.
  9. Also pop up translation for words from Wiktionary and how much times articles were visited.
  10. Input methods embedded in Wiki editor like Chinese.
  11. Also when make next word in new row in Wikipedia is displayed in same row this can be a problem for writhing many words one below other.
  12. Perhaps some translator like Google Translate which is online or for Android there are not much free quality translators today except Google Translate.
  13. When users edit is reverted or changed by different user would notify the user in special notifications, this would help if user has hundreds or thousands of edits so that he doesn't need to search all pages.Watch page is only for some pages it would be useful to have most although user can ignore it if he wants.
  14. Wiki template that would make active count users edits and articles. Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 08:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Display image from link to other website (not Wikipedia). Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 09:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Head football coach at LSU in 1909 information[edit]

Your information for the head coach at LSU in 1909 was incorrect. Joseph G. Prichard, head coach at LSU, was a graduate of Vanderbuilt and attended LSU for further study. He was a great football player at Vanderbuilt; therefore, selected to be the head coach at LSU until a head coach was interview for the job for the longterm. Look at the LSU program for football and see who is the head coach (s) and the schedule for that year 1909 - 1910.

This is Wiktionary (a dictionary), not Wikipedia(an encyclopedia). If any of our entries contains any information about who was head coach at LSU, let us know so we can delete it- that's not dictionary material. Otherwise, please go to the web site that actually has that information and discuss it there. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Do people use Word of the Day?[edit]

Do the people who use this website actually get use out of the Word of the Day feature? I myself find it utile for labouring over at Wikcionario, but I suspect that average Anglos don’t much care for it. I’ve always had the impression that Anglophones despise pedantic speech and would rather use common (and short) words in all of their communication. I’m not suggesting that we delete this feature, I just wonder if it has any significant effects on the physical world. --Romanophile (talk) 08:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, I like it. And I don't think it's pedantic; it's just a way to introduce words that are unusual for one reason or another. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
But most people don’t like unusual words, especially because it may obligate them to look up the definition. People prefer common terms. For example, I was talking with my friend on‐line a few hours ago, and I said the word ‘Anglophone.’ He asked what it meant, so I explained it to him. Then he enquired ‘Why couldn’t you just say English‐speaking person?’ Now ideally, people would use these terms more if they encountered them more frequently, but this presents a contradiction: In order to become common, it must be used more, but it won’t be used more because it’s so uncommon. --Romanophile (talk) 08:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
We're a dictionary; we want to encourage people to look up definitions! —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


There is something in the English language, that is be considered childish and slang but is still not uncommonly used, to say one word twice, but to replace a part of the word with the "shm" sound. Such as, for example, "I don't care what the percentage of winning is. I will still cheer him on." "Yeah, percentage, pershmentage. You can do it, Gingka!" Another example is. "Jack, you know the rules!" "Rules shmules, I can do what I want." Is there any way we can put this into an entry/appendix? Could this possibly be considered a prefix/affix? I want to know more about what this sort of thing is in languages. Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 04:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

See schm- and w:shm-reduplication. It's from Yiddish. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Couldn't this be an affix or something too though? Such as in, "percentage, pershmentage"? Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
The term you're looking for is infix. Affix is the general, position-independent term for prefixes, postfixes, infixes and circumfixes. Yes, for some people it's an infix, but not for everybody. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation depending on context[edit]

In some languages, especially French, can't the pronunciation of a word change depending on the context? For instance, in front of a vowel, it sounds different than in front of a consonant? If so, is it/why isn't it included in the pronunciation part of entries where this can happen? Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

w:Liaison (French) is governed by phonological rules that are part of the the language as a whole and the liaison form is quite simple and predictable from the spelling, so it tends not to be shown in dictionary pronunciation sections. The idea is that you learn the patterns as part of learning the language, so either you know them for every word that has them, or you don't know them st all. Whether an initial h interferes with liaison is unpredictable (if it does, it's called an "aspirated" h), so dictionaries show that. I notice that we show phonological variants for several Celtic languages, but those are reflected in the spelling, and they're far more complex and extensive. In Sanskrit we don't show the final consonant at all for most lemmas, and in the inflection tables we show the -h isolated forms, but not the -s form that precedes a vowel in the next word. In general, the interactions (called w:Sandhi) are so complicated and pervasive that you really need to refer to the sandhi section of a grammar to even find words in a dictionary, let alone read a simple text. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Pronunciation can also depend upon context in English - the most obvious example is the, whose pronunciation depends on the following letter being a consonant or vowel. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:55, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Most languages have rules of external sandhi to some extent. I would be in favor of us adding liaison forms to our French pronunciation sections, at least in cases where the pronunciation may not be what the spelling leads us to expect (e.g. un grand homme is [œ̃ ɡʁãtɔm], isn't it?). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Question as to 'torpedieren' entry[edit]

I was looking at the English entry for the German verb torpedieren and I noticed the past participle was 'torpediert'. If my German teacher is right all regular German weak verbs have ge- prefixed to the 3rd person singular present active indicative to form the past participle.

Not all. Only verbs stressed on the first syllable take the ge- prefix. Verbs starting with an unstressed prefix like be-, ver-, etc., as well as verbs ending in -ieren, do not take the ge- prefix. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Is the stress an absolute rule, or are there exceptions? Verbs with non-initial stress that do take ge-? —CodeCat 23:04, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
There's gebenedeit, but that's really rare, being used virtually only in the Ave Maria. Otherwise I can't think of any exceptions at all. The getolereert vs. toleriert contrast is one of the most salient morphological differences between Dutch and German. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:33, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Translations page?[edit]


I am working on creating a comprehensive list of medical translations from English to Setswana to put online, and I would like to put it on one of the Wikimedia platforms instead of through any other website since users in Africa and the Middle East have free access to Wikimedia sites, and we are working on a project in Botswana to use Wikipedia/media in the healthcare setting. Would Wiktionary be an appropriate place to put this information? Could I create a page with all the translations on it?


I noticed an omission[edit]

On the page for "heretofore" you have listed "henceforth" as an antonym.

However, on the page for "henceforth" you have no antonym listed, which should say "heretofore."


Is there anyone interested on project of developing Swahili dictionary? Swahili: The most spoken language in East Africa? —This unsigned comment was added by Fulany2k (talkcontribs).

Well, we already have a lot of entries in Category:Swahili language, and there's already a Swahili Wiktionary, and the Kamusi Project is also a collaborative dictionary with a large Swahili database, so the projects are already started, they just need more volunteers. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 07:51, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

can’t edit my page[edit]

Please modify the protection for my user page so that I can edit it. --Romanophile (talk) 00:05, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV (talkcontribs), maybe…? --Romanophile (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. — Ungoliant (falai) 01:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

RFT code[edit]

I see the Tea room has a discussion on code which is listed under oldest tagged RFTs, what does that mean?Riverstogo (talk) 03:55, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

What I think it means now is "Request for tea", what you need to do is search in the history of code for the edit tagged rft, not with the search box though because it never seems to find anything? just use ctrl + F one 500 entry page at a time to find the month, then look in the tea room archive to see what was discussed. Turns out code just needed some work. Would seem there needs to be a clean up of the tea room tags? I'll remove this one as a first step.Riverstogo (talk) 04:28, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Not sure how to remove code from the list of oldest tagged RFT? though it now is not tagged in my limited understanding, whew, I need some tea.Riverstogo (talk) 04:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
My new understanding is that the tea room is used instead of Wiktionary talk pages due to the low number of registered users per entry vs Wikipedia.
DCDuring suggests posting a link to the archived discussion on each talk page, I have tried to do this on the code talk page appropriately and to conclude the discussion. I might do more tea room tag removal if anyone thinks this is a good approach? I will try linking this suggestion on the tea room talk page.Riverstogo (talk) 23:01, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
It's not directly the number of users, but rather the ratio of users to pages. Wiktionary users edit a lot more pages, but make relatively small edits and the majority of pages will only ever be edited by a single person (or even no people at all, in the case of bots). They are created once and then may not be touched for years. This means that many pages don't appear on anyone's watch list, so talk page messages won't be noticed. On the Tea Room, they will. —CodeCat 23:02, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Santana winds[edit]

When I first arrived at San Diego, (1961) the hot dry winds were always referred to as Santana winds. They were, according to what seems reasonable, as Santana's from the Spanish living on the coastal stretch lo those many years, (hundreds really). Which considering how Santa Ana (city)didn't arrive on the seen until years later, why would they (Spanish)call them anything else. So, if one wants to be a purist, they should be called exactly what they in fact are, devil winds. That because they create such havoc in the LA basin, the natives referred to the basin as the Valley of the Smokes. Which all too often looks just like that from today's satellites looking down from outer space. Bernard M. Schermerhorn USN (retired)

You might be interested to read w:Santa Ana winds#Etymology. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:43, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Which Unicode character is the slashed 0 used to visually distinguish number 0 from letter O?[edit]

In many real-world applications where it is very useful to help normal folks quickly distinguish between the number character zero and the capital letter O a character that looks like the number with a slash is used. Which Unicode character is that? DCDuring TALK 15:45, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

  • See Slashed zero SemperBlotto (talk) 15:50, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
    So we can't have an entry for this in case "someone would run across it and want to know what it means", even if they know Unicode. Doesn't this illustrate a problem with even having entries for Unicode? DCDuring TALK 16:09, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
    I'm not sure what you're getting at. There is no separate Unicode character for the slashed zero; some fonts render "0" with a slash, others render it without one. Without a Unicode character, we have no way of having an entry for it besides 0. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:40, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Perhaps unsurprisingly, U+0030 DIGIT ZERO. Keφr 16:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

January 2015

Can prescriptivists edit here?[edit]

I’ve always had the feeling that there exists an anti‐prescriptivist sentiment here, given that this project is descriptive (neutral). But I’ve also had the impression that we all have our own agenda here, too. I, for example, mostly document Italic words on Wikcionario, and generally don’t care about the rest, because my own goal is to eventually document all Italic words, not ‘all words in all languages.’
I don’t know if I would say that I’m prescriptive about language in general, but I do know that I’m certainly quite fastidious and perfectionist towards my own usage of language. --Romanophile (talk) 10:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

We don't care how prescriptivist you are in your own usage, as long as your entries are written from a descriptivist POV rather than a prescriptivist one. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 12:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


Is Category:de:Female a joke or should every German word which only refers to female gender be added there? If it is not a joke, then every word suffixed with -in has to be added, like Schülerin, Pastorin, Hündin. -IP, 21:31, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

It's not a joke. Schülerin and Pastorin should be in it, and Hündin should be in its subcategory Category:de:Female animals. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:47, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. -IP, 21:53, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


A simple question. I recently created the article dravest. Did I state the correct tense by using {{en-archaic second-person singular of|drave}}? Thanks, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 18:49, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it looks ok. —CodeCat 00:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Admin userboxes[edit]

Moved to Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2015/January#Admin userboxes

why does gloss not work?[edit]

The parameter gloss= in {{past participle of}} does not work, while in {{inflection of}} it is working.


--Bigbossfarin (talk) 17:45, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

It does now. Keφr 18:01, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

What is the name for the part of speech category that includes nouns and pronouns, but not adjectives?[edit]

When including adjectives and determiners (modifiers), the term "nominal" is often used. But what term is there, if any, for just nouns and pronouns together? That is, nouns which refer to "things" on their own? —CodeCat 18:04, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

"Nouns and pronouns". Keφr 18:51, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Sounds too complex a distinction to have an everyday word. Equinox 01:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Also, in some languages adjectives can also 'refer to "things" on their own' through conversion or some other grammatical mechanism (e.g. adding the in front of the word), which is probably why "nominal" includes adjectives in the first place. So the whole distinction may be pointless. Keφr 08:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Page ranking curiosity[edit]

To use Google as a dictionary, one searches using the expression "define [x]". See, for example, defining blandish. After Google's own definition comes a variety of dictionary websites. Sadly, I rarely find Wiktionary among those on the first page. Perhaps Wiktionary is less known than these other dictionaries, but is there any way Wiktionary can increase its page rank?

For example, I noticed all the other main online dictionaries actually use the word "dictionary" on every page, increasing their 'searchability', whereas Wiktionary does not. PageRank seems to equate "define" with "dictionary", but not with the word "Wiktionary". Would sliding the word "dictionary" into Wiktionary's footer increase Wiktionary's page rank? More over, I know this is wistful thinking. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

There may be something of the kind, but is it the presence of the word dictionary or something else? An example: when I google intrinsèque, the fr.wikt entry is the 1st hit. When I google define:intrinsèque, it is 2nd (after a dictionary, and before other dictionaries). What I understand is that Google understands that we are a dictionary, but that Google considers that some other dictionaries are more popular. I don't know why. Lmaltier (talk) 08:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Active Macedonian Wiktionary Contributors[edit]

Hi I am inquiring as to wether there are any active Macedonian wiktionary contributors, I would like to get in contact so that I can assist in editing or contributing. —This unsigned comment was added by Davski (talkcontribs) at 12:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC).

User:Martin123xyz has done a lot of work recently on Macedonian, but I don't know if they are still active. I've helped make some templates, but I didn't work on the entries themselves. —CodeCat 13:03, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

How to deal with variables[edit]

There are two new Javanese entries that use "N" as a stand-in for some unspecified nasal consonant: ambranang and mapag.

The problem is that they're redlinking to prefixes spelled with this variable, which seems like a very bad idea. Recognizing the problem is one thing, but figuring out what to do with it is another, entirely.

Suggestions? Chuck Entz (talk) 04:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I don’t think it’s problem if we link to the form the word is actually using. We have both Category:English words prefixed with in- and Category:English words prefixed with im-, and Category:English words suffixed with -ization and Category:English words suffixed with -isation. — Ungoliant (falai) 04:49, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't really agree with that approach. Clearly, in- is not a different suffix from im-, they are allomorphs. To categorise them separately doesn't make much sense. I would prefer it if one allomorph were chosen as the main form, and the others treated as forms of it. —CodeCat 23:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Bosnian Wiktionary[edit]

Why on earth is there a Bosnian Wiktionary? Isn't that just a dialect of Serbo-Croatian. I'm sure the project, along with its sister project the Bosnian Wikipedia, probably wouldn't ever get deleted, even if I brought it up somewhere, but I would be one to vote for its deletion. NativeCat drop by and say Hi! 23:10, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The thing is, not everyone thinks Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian are the same language. — Ungoliant (falai) 23:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
It's been the source of pretty fiery debate in the past (that is, Serbo-Croatian on the English Wiktionary). However, most of the people involved in those debates aren't active right now. Renard Migrant (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Four languages-ish[edit]

I speak four languages but noticed that the more efficient I become in one language, the more I start to forget the other three langauges. Has anyone else had that experience? 11:38, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I've noticed it with my sister (English natively; French and German from high school; some Chinese, Japanese and Russian thereafter). She moved to France years ago and speaks relatively little English now, and even though it's her native language she now sometimes says odd-sounding things or forgets the term for something. Equinox 15:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
It happens all the time. I spent years living in France, and spoke fluently. Now I have to deal with three languages on a daily basis - English, Spanish and Catalan - and my French is awful now, and my English is definitely suffering. --Type56op9 (talk) 12:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


I've always had the perception that dictionary editors have a higher I.Q. than average since many neuropsychological assessment abilities are required. For example you need to have an extensive memory, a deep understanding, conceptualization etc. Do you guys think you have a higher I.Q. than average? 13:26, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Question about Translation Request[edit]

Do any of the translators translate any fictional languages like Gallifreyan?

  • Only our fictional translators do that. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

What are Some examples of Spanish slang?[edit]

I know spanish fairly well but others have told me that if I speak it to a native speaker they would not understand me that well.

You can find plenty of examples at Category:Spanish slang. --Tropylium (talk) 10:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


(first of all, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post a question like this, but here it goes anyway...) I've encountered the word "bold-blooded" in a a work of fiction, an I'm curious if anyone can give me a synonym or meaning. It is a bit self-explanatory but I would like a confirmation from a native speaker (which I am not)...

I suppose it means bold, but with an implication that the boldness is "in the person's blood", i.e. an intrinsic part of their character. Equinox 18:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Sounds like a pun on cold-blooded. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:01, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

try all[edit]

in latin would try all be conormini or conor omni please explain

It can't be translated without context; there are simply too many unknown variables. Can you give a complete sentence? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

mugged by reality[edit]

I don’t really know what this expression means. My best guess is that being mugged by reality means that you stopped being fantastic and deluded and instead perceived things for what they really are. I guess that the things being stolen are you delusions (for whatever purpose). It’s confusing because I find it rare to encounter somebody willing to concede that somebody can be progressive and still be ‘correct.’ --Romanophile (talk) 14:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with your guess. It seems to come from Irving Kristol's remark that a neo-conservative is "a liberal who has been mugged by reality". Equinox 20:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I am a novice and need some help with a minor correction of my recent edit.[edit]

Just did my first edit ever, adding a fifth definition for "laydown." I tried to just duplicate the format from the other defs. Anyway, the definition part went fine but the quotation ("The most important...") needs fixing as it starts with the word "most" instead of "The" and the result sticks on "passage=The" with the website link to the quotation. Please someone fix it for me or tell me how. I appreciate anyone's assistance.

By the way "laydown" is a very common fishing term that is not in any dictionary that I could find on line. —This unsigned comment was added by RGOLD3000 (talkcontribs) at 00:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC).

(at [[laydown]]: diff)

RGOLD3000: First, you forgot the closing curlies: }}. Second, we have no {{quote-article}}; I switched that to {{quote-news}}. I have to ask you, though: what kind of publication is this? We generally do not accept blogs as attestation. Can you find something printed? Keφr 15:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Kephir! It is a well-known on-line magazine that has also a print counterpart (Bassmaster Magazine). And it was indeed an article that can be considered a news article. Also laydown is a well-known noun in freshwater fishing. I appreciate your help! —This unsigned comment was added by RGOLD3000 (talkcontribs) at 15:53, 28 January 2015 (UTC).

You are welcome. Please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~. Keφr 19:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

February 2015


is "oop a day" related to "whoops a daisy" ?

beware of Greeks bearing gifts[edit]

Do people consider this proverb offensive? It just seems like this could easily be felt as xenophobic if interpreted literally. --Romanophile (talk) 01:04, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

judgmentalism vs. judgmentality[edit]


Apparently I have coined the term "judgmentality" which to me is superior to judgmentalism for the idea connoted. Rationale: The "ism" ending is generally used to indicate an "ism", i.e., a system of beliefs as in communism, capitalism, atheism, socialism, etc. Whereas, just as mentality is the outgrowth from mental(as opposed to "mentalism"), "judgmentality" should be the logical evolution from judgmental.

I facetiously noted that "apparently I have coined the term" only because I have spent a half hour searching and cannot find the word "judgmentality" recognized anywhere in my internet searches.

Your response would be greatly apprecialted.

William Mitchell,

We're interested in words that are already in use for more than a year by multiple authors. In this case, judgmentality gets over 300 hits on Google Books (including about 50 for non-judgmentality), so you weren't the only person to coin this term, and we could probably include it. Someone would have to look and see if the way it's used in those books corresponds to your proposed meaning, though. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Dull pain[edit]

I hope this is the right place for this... in dull, I can't find a definition that can explain the sentence "dull pain" -- 16:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

  • It is an extension of sense #1 - but I've added a separate sense to make this clear. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


Template:suffix categorises words into Category:German words suffixed with -ismus, while there's Category:German nouns ending in "-ismus". That's irritating and kind of redundant. So please improve this. -10:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Is it a contraction if only the space between two words is omitted?[edit]

In Dutch, the combination de zelfde (the same) is written as one word, dezelfde (literally thesame). Would this be considered a contraction in the sense of {{contraction of}} and Category:Dutch contractions? Or what else is it called? —CodeCat 15:04, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

The closest English parallel I can think of is cannot, which we simply call a verb, not a contraction (the contraction being can't). German does the same thing with derselbe, which we call a pronoun (though I'd say it's a determiner), not a contraction. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:29, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't seem like a good idea to duplicate the definition of zelfde on each page, though. So I wanted to have a definition that simply says "(something) of de zelfde", because that's what it is. Of course that means knowing what form and part of speech it is, contraction is the only thing that came to mind. —CodeCat 16:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
How about "synonym of" in the sense line — and put the details of its compound construction in the etymology? Equinox 16:55, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
The problem there is that the word is never actually written separate, I think that's actually nonstandard. So it's not a synonym in the sense that de zelfde doesn't actually exist in that spelling. When people say "de zelfde" they just write "dezelfde" in all cases. —CodeCat 17:04, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
"On each page"? How many pages are we talking about? Why not just call dezelfde a determiner that means "[[the]] [[same]]"? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:12, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
The forms that are written without space are listed at zelfde. The difficulty is that you essentially end up repeating the meaning of both words over and over. For diezelfde you'd end up with something like "that same (distal; masculine, feminine or plural)". These combined forms are not really idiomatic, they wouldn't be if they were written as two words. So I really just want a minimal definition that says which words. —CodeCat 17:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, cannot wouldn't be idiomatic if it were written as two words either, but it isn't (at least not with the relevant meaning), so we list it and give it a full definition. The only difference is that cannot is just a single form, while dezelfde is (if the list you linked to is exhaustive) one of six forms. If you balk at listing very similar definitions six times (which doesn't seem excessive to me, but maybe it does to you), you could call the others pseudo-inflected forms of dezelfde, e.g. by defining diezelfde as "{{form of|masculine, feminine or plural distal|dezelfde|lang=nl}}". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:30, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
You have to keep in mind that there are other forms with zelfde that are written separately, like ieder zelfde (every like), geen zelfde (no like), zo'n zelfde (same such a) etc. dezelfde just fits into that pattern, the lack of a space is merely a spelling exception. —CodeCat 18:01, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
So? We don't have entries for SOP phrases written with a space; we have an entry for cannot only because it's written together, but we don't have entries for parallel constructions written separately like could not, may not, would not, ought not, etc. (We have must not because its scope is unexpected.) For Dutch we only have to worry about the ones that are written together, not the ones that are written separately. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 18:33, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Display definitions of English words only[edit]

I would like to have Wiktionary only display definitions of English words. I have searched and searched and find no way to make it do that.

It is possible and, if so, how do I get only English words displayed.

For example, when I search for "levantase" I would like to get NO RESULTS because it is not a valid ENGLISH word. (Of course, possible also is that no one has entered it's definition.)

There is a table of contents at the beginning of each page. Just click on English, and don't look at possible additional sections. And a suggestion: if you don't want to find results for a word, don't search for this word. Lmaltier (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
It's not possible, because we use a system that was designed for the needs of an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. The best you can do is to add "English" after your search string (i.e. levantase English). This won't directly find your entry, but the list of results further down on the page will contain terms that have both your search term and the word "English" somewhere on the page. Since the vast majority of occurrences of "English" are in English entries, and there should be no English entries without the word "English" in them, it will eliminate most (not all) of the non-English results, and give you all of the English ones. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:04, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t anthropology technically a branch of primatology? --Romanophile (talk) 15:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

How to structure fire philosopher, philosopher by fire, and similar[edit]

I created the entry and citations pages for fire philosopher and fire philosophers. I want to add the alternate forms: philosopher by fire, philosophers by fire, philosophers of fire, and philosophers of fire. Should the citations be located on the fire philosopher citations page under a combined subheading for each singular and plural combination? Should I use {{alternative form of}} or {{alternative name of}} to relate these? Should I create {{alternative case form of}} pages for each? —BoBoMisiu (talk) 20:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I think you should {{synonym of|...}}, as an "alternative form" is usually something closer in form, like a variant spelling. Citations should go on the appropriate citations page, though, i.e. don't put "philosopher of fire" on the citation page for "fire philosopher". Thanks! Equinox 21:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)