Wiktionary:Votes/2007-08/Layout of example sentences for Japanese entries

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Aligning WT:AJ with WT:ELE[edit]

As noted here, the recommendation in WT:AJ to format example sentences with a leading bullet ("#* 例...") was developed before the modern WT:ELE. This vote seeks to align that recommendation with WT:ELE in this regard (i.e. "#: 例...") and in other regards, some from WT:ELE, one from WT:QUOTE, and some from common practice.

The full set of proposed changes is here. Following is a summary:

  • The format given for examples, quotations, and usage notes now matches that of WT:ELE and WT:QUOTE.
  • The introduction now contains the text, “This policy explains considerations for Japanese entries that are not covered by WT:ELE and other general policies.”
  • Entry layout headings now match those of WT:ELE, e.g. “===A very simple example===”, “===Headings before the definitions===”, and “===The article core===”.
  • The new section “==Lemma entries==” describes lemma entries in a fairly non-restrictive way.
  • The “==== Etymology ====” section now has an example for entries with multiple etymologies.
  • “== Hiragana and Romaji ==” is now called “== Non-lemma forms ==”
  • The POS headlines are now described as valid at either L3 or L4, in line with how we format entries with multiple etymologies.
  • Minor tweaks were also made (e.g. adding transliteration for non-roman terms, updating links, linking to templates using {{temp}}, etc.).

Relevant discussion is at Wiktionary talk:About Japanese#Example sentence format and Wiktionary:Beer parlour#Example sentence format for WT:AJ.

  • Vote ends: 22 September 2007 23:59 UTC
  • Vote started: 23 August 2007 00:00 UTC
  • Vote created: Rod (A. Smith) 04:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support Rod (A. Smith) 04:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support. Looks good! :-) —RuakhTALK 04:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support Cynewulf 04:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support Tohru 08:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support Connel MacKenzie 21:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Support EncycloPetey 18:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  7. Looks reasonable and better than now. --Aphaia 03:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg Support —Stephen 18:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Abstain[edit]

  • Comment: What are the "reading" headings for? More to the point, why is there a colon in the suggested heading itself? (I think I support the changes you have made, but I think rewording those two would help.) --Connel MacKenzie 20:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
    Every kanji can be read in one or more ways. For example, by itself can be read as "moto" meaning "basis", or rarely "gen" meaning "yuan"; inside a word it can be read as "moto" "gen" or "gan" and mean "basis" "yuan" or "first", or something entirely different. The pages for single kanji () link to the hiragana pages of their readings (もと がん げん), and the hiragana pages should link back to the single kanji pages, though they're mostly unmaintained. Readings are classified as "on", deriving from Chinese; and "kun", coming from native Japanese. I don't know why there's a colon in the header, or why they're even L4 headers; that's how it has been since before I came here. This vote doesn't change the formatting of kanji reading sections, but I don't think there would be a problem in having a separate vote to do some other formatting style; it would be nice to clean up all of them. I put {{ja-kanjireading}} in all the ones I could find a while back to try to get everything maintainable. Cynewulf 21:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
    OK. I thought there was a better way of presenting it (like yours) but forgot what it was. Too bad that didn't make it into this revision. (Or can it?) --Connel MacKenzie 21:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
    Well, it's a bit late now. I'm not even sure what people want out of the section -- I'd prefer to throw out some ideas on one of the talk pages and see what sticks. Cynewulf 21:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Decision[edit]

  • Passes 8-0-0. ―Tohru 01:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)