Wiktionary talk:About Estonian

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Superlatives[edit]

How do I add a superlative with the et-adj template? — Jeraphine Gryphon 18:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

It can't be added yet. Do adjectives that have a superlative with kõige also always have another form? —CodeCat 18:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't know right know. But I know that superlatives for vana are both vanim and "kõige vanem". — Jeraphine Gryphon 18:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Um... Yes it can. I put comparatives and superlatives in when I rewrote the old template.
{{et-adj|ilusa|ilust|c=+}}
That gives you the ilusam and kõige ilusam. If there's another superlative you use s2=[Ric Laurent] — 18:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. :) Is the second superlative always formed by adding -im to the genitive? Can you check to make sure that applies to all adjectives? —CodeCat 19:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
That works, thanks. — Jeraphine Gryphon 19:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
No idea. — [Ric Laurent] — 19:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Determiners[edit]

"Determiners" aren't a separate class of words, I don't think they should be presented as if they are. — Jeraphine Gryphon 18:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Why do you say that? —CodeCat 18:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Do we actually have any determiners? If we do, don't they already belong to an actual class of words, like adverbs or something else? I don't understand what the point of this is. — Jeraphine Gryphon 18:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Determiners are similar to adjectives, because they modify nouns. But instead of describing the noun, they specify it by saying which noun, how many of the noun, and so on. —CodeCat 19:01, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you saying it's a word class separate from pronouns, adpositions, adverbs and so on? — Jeraphine Gryphon 19:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Because if it's separate then I'm sure we don't have any determiners at all; but if it overlaps with pronouns or adpositions then it'd be redundant to add in the word definitions. — Jeraphine Gryphon 19:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
They would not overlap with adpositions, but they may overlap with pronouns and adjectives. The dividing line between adjectives and determiners isn't always clear, and many pronouns are also determiners. For example, the English words that, all, both, which, each are both determiners and pronouns: you can say 'that thing' but also 'what is that?', and the same for the others. —CodeCat 19:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Pronouns[edit]

Is there a declension template to use on pronouns? — Jeraphine Gryphon 22:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

You could use {{et-decl}}, which would mean having to fill in all the forms by hand. But I think if the pronouns are irregular there isn't really much else to do. Do you think it would make sense to make a template that's only used for a handful of words? —CodeCat 22:30, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

-k[edit]

I'm putting those back under a single heading, unless someone creates a third etymology to explain words like jääk and söök. Objections? — Jeraphine Gryphon 22:30, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

They have different etymologies so they shouldn't be merged. I've created a third etymology section now, although I'm not sure if jääk didn't originally belong to the same group as sõiduk. I noticed that all the 'anomalous' words with -gi instead of -ki have short stems with only a long vowel, and I think this might have caused the k to shorten at one time in the past. —CodeCat 22:35, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
And I think Wiktionary should have a policy about original research. — Jeraphine Gryphon 22:38, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I really think you should discuss that in a more public place if it concerns you so much... but please also read WT:WINW. —CodeCat 22:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 ? That didn't tell me anything new. — Jeraphine Gryphon 22:47, 30 December 2011 (UTC)