Wiktionary talk:Rhymes

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Proposed format[edit]

English
Pronunciation
  • rīmz, /raɪmz/, /raImz/
    Rhymes: -aɪmz
Noun

rhymes

  1. Plural of rhyme.
Verb form
  1. Second-person singular present tense of to rhyme.

Hi TUF-KAT!

Just noticed your rhymes appearing again. Watch out though because it looks like some of your page titles use IPA (-aɪmz, -æt) and some use SAMPA (-O:(r)) Personally I tend to favour the IPA but it doesn't really matter. We can always have redirects from one to the another. But consistency is always a good thing in the meantime... — Hippietrail 07:26, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I know nothing about phonetic spelling. Feel free to move any I mix up.
A question: [1] gives all sorts of derivative terms, including scantily clad, newspaper ad and scouring pad, and even capital of Chad. This seems strange to me, but I suppose could be useful. Even if one thinks of the word pad, I suppose it has other connotations before "scouring" and specifying a specific use could be helpful... How common does a grouping of two or more words need to be in order to warrant an entry in Wiktionary? And/or on one of these rhyming pages? TUF-KAT 08:14, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
I'd hold off on rhymes that are multiple words for the moment. Set idioms may warrant appearing. If a phrase has a wiktionary entry I guess that gives it some credibility but maybe we should wait until poets start asking us for improvements (: — Hippietrail 08:41, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
P.S. Apparently brackets don't work as article titles, so SAMPA can't really be used for titles. Can all browsers display the funny-looking IPA characters? Is there a way to type them on a standard keyboard? TUF-KAT 08:33, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Yes I just noticed that myself. The browsers can display the IPA but some people may not have capable fonts. Most Windows users will have Arial Unicode MS though. Code2000 is a decent downloadable font which has most of Unicode. Of course, most people using the rhyme feature care more about finding what they want than what the pages are called. If the pages themselves also have SAMPA and AHD then they'll be able to read. And of course they'll get the pronunciation from the large number of rhyming words on the page anyway. The main thing as far as titles for the rhyme index pages is that no two pages have the same name. This is the best argument for picking one standard. — Hippietrail 08:41, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Oh and using the name "Rhymes:English:-æd" for "Rhymes:English:-{d" will get you out of trouble. — Hippietrail 08:49, 5 May 2004 (UTC)

Rhyme index[edit]

As this seems to be a discussion page for rhymes, I've set up an index page called Rhymes:English that links to all of the rhyme pages I am aware of. This will be a candidate for the "Index" namespace that is being proposed in the beer parlour.

I am also in the process of adding comments to pages to warn people that, in order to feature on a particular page, words MUST be stressed on the first vowel of the name of the page. So, for example, "awake" rhymes with "bake", but "cornflake" does not (as "cornflake" is stressed on the -or-, not on the -a-). -- Paul G 09:53, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

I would rather they be marked in some way then excluded. In spoken poetry, songs, etc, this distinction is often glossed over. Thus, I think there will be a significant proportion of readers who will not care that cornflake must be pronounced with a different emphasis in order to make it rhyme. TUF-KAT 05:23, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
For now, I am not including them. I think it would be useful to do so, however, perhaps as under an "Others" section showing that the words don't rhyme properly with anything but could be used as "partial rhymes" to the words on the page. This would avoid setting up a page for "-ornflake" that contains only the word "cornflake", which would not very useful. -- Paul G 13:06, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

No forms?[edit]

I noticed that in many of the rhymes lists, there are notices in comment tags that warn not to add plurals or third-person singular forms of verbs to the list unless they having meanings different from the respective singular or infinitive. Why is this? Do we not want as many rhymes as possible, whether or not they are lemma forms? --Yair rand 04:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

That's the reason I came here too (two whole years later!) am gonna bring it up on the Beer Parlour. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Inflected forms should IHMO be allowed; they are actually used in rhyming. For a discussion started by Mglovesfun, see Wiktionary:BP#Non-lemma_forms_on_rhymes_page, January 2012. --Dan Polansky 10:38, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, IMHO "all words in all languages" implies "all rhymes in all languages" (but I'm not going to add the very many thousand of Italian verb forms just yet). SemperBlotto 10:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Because form rhymes have the potential to flood the rhymes pages, and make lemma rhymes hard to find, it may be a good idea to have a separate section on the rhymes page just for forms. —CodeCat 12:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)