Category talk:English plurals ending in "-en"

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Is there any point in this massive category? The only non-redundant entries are:

  • [wo]men
  • children
  • boxen
  • oxen
  • brethren

and a few archaic or incorrect forms: ahlspiessen, sistren, shamen. "Vaxen" is not even included. KiloByte 03:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, the page as it is now (including dozens of compounds with "man") does not display any sensible category. There are a few nouns like ox, which still take an -en ending (a regular plural ending of the weak declension in Old English) instead of the expected -(e)s (generalized from the nominative plural of strong declension masculine nouns in Old English, and gaining ground since at least the 13th century). Words like man and woman are properly classified together with mouse, as they show a vowel change in the stem to signal plural; they have never taken an -en ending. Svenonius (talk) 12:25, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
It seems useful for at least the examples listed above. Perhaps trimming down its list of entries would be more useful than eliminating it? WilliamKF (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Words either belong in this category or they do not. If some -man to -men words belong, then all do. If no -man to -men words belong here, then we need a category to properly accommodate the set of words having this unusual pluralization. bd2412 T 00:50, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Split into separate categories for different derivations[edit]

From a research standpoint, it is unhelpful to have hundreds of vowel replacement words swamping the (comparatively few) others that use an actual "-en" suffix. The ending "-men" is not a plural suffix, it's a vowel replacement (arguably within a suffix that denotes personhood).

I think there should be two categories, approximately English plurals formed by the addition of an "-en" suffix, and English plurals formed by changing "-man" to "-men" or perhaps English plurals formed by vowel replacement (which would include "mice" and "geese" as well as "men"). They would certainly be more useful for research than the current unrelated derivations.


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Category:English plurals ending in "-en"[edit]

Doesn't conform to our category system and seems to collect a wide variety of terms which don't have anything in common other than ending in -en. Totally pointless category. -- Liliana 15:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Keep. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:16, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
RFD-passed.Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)