Reconstruction talk:Proto-Iranian/CyaHmákah

Սիմակ

User:Victar, where did you find Armenian Սիմակ (Simak)? It is a very new name, cannot be borrowed from Middle Iranian. The phonetics too are off; one would expect *Սեմակ (*Semak). Vahag (talk) 20:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan: {{R:xcl:EDAIL|page=683}}. --{{victar|talk}} 20:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Victar: Thanks. That was a wild speculation on his part. He does not include Սիմակ (Simak) in {{R:xcl:Martirosyan:2021}} dedicated to Armenian names of Iranian origin. On page 320, in connection with Սեմա-Վշնասպ (Sema-Všnasp), he does discuss the family of *SyaHmákah, without mentioning Սիմակ (Simak). As far as I can tell, that name appeared at the end of the 19th century among Armenians of the Russian empire. Probably borrowed from Сима́к (Simák), a diminutive of Си́мон (Símon). Vahag (talk) 11:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

👍--{{victar|talk}} 21:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Svan

@Victar: the reconstructed Proto-Sarmatian reminded me of Svan შამახიაჲ (šamaxiay, “jet-black brunette”). Though the meaning fits Proto-Iranian *cyaHmáh instead, and I don't know what a regular Sarmatian/Alanic descendant of that would be. კვარია (talk) 05:19, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Proto-Sarmatian *šōm > Alanic *šom. --{{victar|talk}} 05:45, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

😠 კვარია (talk) 05:54, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

@კვარია that looks like a poetic reference to the swarthy inhabitants of Shamakhi in Shirvan. @Əkrəm, you were born close enough. Are you a жгучий брюнет, at least compared to the pasty Svans? Vahag (talk) 11:22, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

@Vahagn_Petrosyan: imma be honest, the only reason I know this word is because Chantladze stupidly connected it with Georgian სომეხი (somexi). PS: Svans aren't pale/pasty, it's mostly a myth. კვარია (talk) 11:26, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan (thank god,) no; my ass is a pale-skinned рыжий :P əkrəm. 11:40, 16 November 2025 (UTC)