Talk:буц

Pannonian Rusyn present tense conjugation

FYI, as far as I can gather, the present tense conjugation, used chiefly in the past tense, goes as follows:

• 1p-sg: сом (som)
• 2p-sg: ши (ši)
• 3p-sg: єст (jest) (not used in the past tense, but instead used to express "there is" à la East Slavic)
• 1p-pl: зме (zme)
• 2p-pl: сце (sce)
• 3p-pl: N/A (if my understanding (mostly of Slovak grammar) is correct, also not used in the past tense; the past plural conjugation *is* the default 3p-pl conjugation. But if I had to guess a form based on Proto-Slavic, other cognates and Slovak sú, it'd probably be су (su))

So, again, if my understanding is correct, "I (masc.) was reading" would be сом читал (som čital) or читал сом (čital som), sometimes with other words in between depending on the context of the sentence.

The other conjugations are pretty regular. The four past tense forms themselves (I don't think -ї (-ji) is a past tense suffix?) start with бул- (bul-), same as Ukrainian; while the future tense forms all start with будз- (budz-), same as Belarusian, although the 1p-sg conjugation is будзем (budzem) rather than *буду (*budu), while будземе (budzeme) is used for 1p-pl.

I'm sure there are better and more reliable and researched resources out there listing the conjugation of буц (buc), I'm just putting this here for anyone who stumbles across this page pre-inflection table and is wondering about the conjugation. Insaneguy1083 (talk) 04:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Correction: буду (budu) does exist in Pannonian Rusyn; but rather than it being for 1p-sg future tense, it's for 3p-pl future tense, and I believe the only future tense form that doesn't start with будз- (budz-). Think Slovak budú and Polish będą. Insaneguy1083 (talk) 04:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Correction 2: I've also found є (je) for 3p-sg, but I'm not sure on when to use that and when to use єст (jest). Insaneguy1083 (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Correction 3: this is the final one, but I found some grammar in a 1996 dictionary.

Basically, the difference between є (je) and єст (jest) is that the latter is only used for "there is". є (je) and су (su) are used when the subject is dropped, and the subject can be dropped when the subject can be easily inferred from context. I believe the example used in the dictionary is школяр є (školjar je, “he is a schoolboy”). This also goes with the other conjugations as well (which I didn't know earlier), e.g. школяр сом, школяр ши (školjar som, školjar ši), etc.. But with adjectives, whether it's postpositive or attached to a noun, it's dropped in the present. For example, я добри, я добри школяр (ja dobri, ja dobri školjar) rather than using сом (som).

And as I correctly deduced earlier, є (je) and су (su) are dropped in the past tense. Insaneguy1083 (talk) 06:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)