Talk:ಸಮೃದ್ಧಿ

Proper noun

@Pulimaiyi

• Since the public figure named Samruddhi Manjunath is male,
  • Should the gender of the given name be changed to unisex?

    or

  • Is this masculine usage of ಸಮೃದ್ಧಿ an exceptional case?
• Although having the names of less familiar public figures as usage examples may be dispreferred to a certain extent, they can possibly serve as illustrative examples.

Kutchkutch (talk) 14:54, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

@Kutchkutch: I had never heard Samruddhi being a male name until today. This is an exception case. I was trying to find an example of a Kannada speaking woman with the name Samruddhi, but could not find anyone famous enough to have a Wikipedia entry. -- 𝘗𝘶𝘭𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘺𝘪^{(𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬)} 14:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

• @Pulimaiyi Thanks for the quick response.
• I was trying to find an example of a Kannada[-]speaking woman with the name […] but could not find anyone famous enough
  • Yes, a Kannada name should ideally have Kannada-speaking individuals with that name.
  • However, not finding any famous examples occurs more frequently than one may initially expect.
• I had never heard Samruddhi being a male name until today.
  • Websites of this kind are probably unreliable, but at

    babycarereviewworld.com/samruddhi/

  • … it does say

    It is a unisex name […] Samruddhi is a gender-neutral name.

  • On most other websites, the name is exclusively indicated as female.

Kutchkutch (talk) 16:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

@Kutchkutch: I am inclined to remove the example since it can be a bit misleading. And yes, those websites are very unreliable. Also, since Kannada pronounces ಋ (ṛ) as "ru" (like Marathi does with ऋ (ŕ)), should "Samriddhi" be removed from the definition? -- 𝘗𝘶𝘭𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘺𝘪^{(𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬)} 01:47, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

• @Pulimaiyi I am inclined to remove the example since it can be a bit misleading.
  • What you probably mean by misleading is contradictory:
    • {{given name}} says that the given name is female, while the referent of the {{uxi}} is male.
  • Perhaps the male referent is the result of the neuter Kannada noun being extended as a gender-neutral name.
  • Although it would be nice to resolve this contradiction, there is not enough information to do so.
  • Furthermore, it may not be worthwhile to pursue this contradiction any further than observing that inanimate nouns in Kannada are generally neuter as per Kannada_grammar#Gender_(ಲಿಂಗ):
    • All Kannada nouns code for gender.
    • Nouns that do not belong to either [naturally masculine, naturally feminine, or concepts personified by deities such as masculine ವಾಯು (vāyu, “wind”)) and ಸೂರ್ಯ (sūrya, “sun”)] are considered to have neuter gender.
  • So, removing the usage example would put aside the contradiction in the entry.
  • In general, examples for names are helpful, because they serve as evidence of actual usage (even when it seems that no evidence is needed).
  • However, using the names of public figures have the unintended consequence of endorsing those individuals.
• should "Samriddhi" be removed from the definition?
  • Kannada pronounces ಋ (ṛ) as "ru"
    • There is no reason to believe that “ri”-using languages would push the Kannada romanisation towards “ri”.
    • This is not a term like “Krishna” whose romanisation as “ri” may be influenced by interactions between other languages.
  • There are no usage examples that suggest retaining “Samriddhi”.
  • If the aforementioned contradiction is ignored, then the usage example suggests only showing “Samruddhi”.
  • Therefore, removing “Samriddhi” from the |xlit= parameter of {{given name}} seems justified.

Kutchkutch (talk) 13:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)