Talk:agree to disagree

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agree to disagree

I don't speak Dutch but it appears that all of these quotes are directly quoting from English, including other English words. DTLHS (talk) 05:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete. The last three quotes clearly indicate this is code-switching by putting the phrase between quotation marks. In the first, remaining one this is not so immediately obvious, but that is because it is a record of spoken text, and in speech one cannot employ the usual typographical clues for code switching.  --Lambiam 10:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete, code-switching. Canonicalization (talk) 11:49, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete. HeliosX (talk) 09:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

• RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

More cites

@DTLHS, Lambiam, Canonicalization, HeliosX

1. • 2021, Marilieke Engbers, Onder commissarissen: Hoe het ongezegde in de boardroom de besluitvorming beïnvloedt, Atlas Contact, →ISBN, page 148:

     Hij bepleitte behalve diversiteit dus impliciet ook een agree-to-disagree-spreekcultuur, waarin de verschillen wel op tafel moeten komen om het werk te kunnen doen.

     (please add an English translation of this quotation)

   • 2018, Marry de Gaay Fortman, Verdrink geen dooie eend: De kunst van beminnelijke ..., Atlas Contact, →ISBN, page 34:

     We werden het maar niet eens over welke kosten voor rekening van het Stedelijk zouden komen, en welke kosten subsidiabel waren en dus door de gemeente vergoed zouden worden. In dergelijke gevallen is agree to disagree vaak het hoogst haalbare en dat is dan ook precies wat we deden.

     (please add an English translation of this quotation)

   • 2020, Vilan van de Loo, Uit naam van de majesteit, Prometheus, →ISBN, page 237:

     Er was geen agree to disagree mogelijk, en hierna was in essentie alles wel gezegd.

     (please add an English translation of this quotation)

   • 2017, Koen Damhuis, Wegen naar Wilders: pvv-stemmers in hun eigen woorden, Singel Uitgeverijen, →ISBN, page 129:

     het voor Wilders belangrijke onderwerp 'islam' waar de drie partijen een agree to disagree-overeenkomst sloten

     (please add an English translation of this quotation)

   • 2017, Hilde Martinez, Mieke Mievis, Hart gezocht: 15 manieren om een lief te vinden, VBK - Houtekiet, →ISBN, page 27:

     Als je het echt niet leuk vindt, agree to disagree en wuif hem of haar lieftallig uit bij vertrek naar zijn of haar vrijetijdsbesteding, terwijl je jezelf gaat amuseren met jouw hobby.

     (please add an English translation of this quotation)

There's just no proper Dutch term for it, so we need to explain in English what we mean:

1. • 2020, Lida van den Broek, Wit is nu aan zet: Racisme in Nederland, Amsterdam University Press, →ISBN, page 139:

     Immers ook het met elkaar eens zijn over dat men het niet met elkaar eens is (agree to disagree) kan tot een betere interactie leiden.

     (please add an English translation of this quotation)

Alexis Jazz (talk) 21:03, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I can likewise find many cites of get your act together in Dutch texts.^{[1][2][3][4][5]} I could go on with other phrases, such as is everybody happy?. Maybe there is no proper Dutch term for this either, yet IMO it is still code switching.  --Lambiam 21:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Lambiam, the question is, are English terms becoming Dutch or are the Dutch becoming English. Code switching could technically be correct, but the Dutch do it an awful lot.
IMHO, if you'd look at every text that describes "agree to disagree" (not that you could, especially as there is no obvious translation) and a considerable amount uses the English words, it's a loanword. I think get your act together would often be described as "maak wat van jezelf", "zet jezelf terug op de rails", "ontplooi jezelf", "krijg je leven op orde", etc. When describing the concept of agree to disagree though, we have few viable alternatives. Alexis Jazz (talk) 01:33, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

One might decide een meningsverschil te laten rusten.^[6]  --Lambiam 03:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

agree to differ

Isn't agree to differ a variant? --Backinstadiums (talk) 11:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)