Talk:car accident
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SOP? — [Ric Laurent] — 01:35, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, delete, unless we think we need auto accident, automobile accident, motorcycle accident, etc. --EncycloPetey 03:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Deleted on sight. SemperBlotto 08:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep because this is not any mishap involving anything that could be called a car and is therefore idiomatic. i.e. A derailed roller coaster car, a spilled drink on a toy car, a tree falling on a parked motor vehicle with no occupants. A car accident is any motor vehicle that crashes into another motor vehicle or a big blunt object or living being such a human or deer. A pickup truck crushing a mechanic fixing it because the hydrualic lift malfunctions is not a car accident, but pickup truck crashing into a towncar on the highway is.Lucifer 09:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Delete, overanalysis is our enemy. If it 'feels' sum of parts to a native speaker, it is. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:24, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep because this is not any mishap involving anything that could be called a car and is therefore idiomatic. i.e. A derailed roller coaster car, a spilled drink on a toy car, a tree falling on a parked motor vehicle with no occupants. A car accident is any motor vehicle that crashes into another motor vehicle or a big blunt object or living being such a human or deer. A pickup truck crushing a mechanic fixing it because the hydrualic lift malfunctions is not a car accident, but pickup truck crashing into a towncar on the highway is.Lucifer 09:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Bring it back: per common sense and Lucifer. Mgloves' "if a native speaker can figure it out, we don't need it" is weak and not based on policy. Any native speaker can figure out what "the" means...guess we don't need a definition for it Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 15:11, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- No, people can't "figure out" the, because it's not easily decomposed into two parts like "car accident". Delete this nonsense, and also delete (deprecated template usage) taxi accident, (deprecated template usage) helicopter accident, and anything similar. Equinox ◑ 15:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah they can, it's the, it's the simplest word besides a or one we, and ye and nay we learn as lil niggaz.Lucifer 08:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Delete. Yes, overanalysis is our enemy. But using this argument for deleting is very dangerous. I would state instead: If it 'feels' like belonging to the vocabulary of the language to a native speaker, it is includable. Lmaltier 17:24, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- How exactly does a native speaker figure out what 'the' means? Mglovesfun (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Native speakers feel that the belongs to the vocabulary of English. But this argument cannot be used for deleting, because many words may be felt as not belonging to the language, and be used in this language nonetheless. Lmaltier 17:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- No one has been able to show how it is clear that accident means collision and not mishap?Lucifer 23:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Also this is an entirely unique concept with no definition and worse no translations available. If I tried to get this in Spanish I would get cart accident instead of choque automobilistico. This is a set term.Lucifer 23:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- You have very strange ideas about what makes non-SoP. "Car accident" can be re-expressed as "car crash", "automobile accident", "automobile collision", "traffic accident", "traffic collision", "motor vehicle accident", "motor vehicle collision", "Road Traffic Collision (RTC)", etc. It's not a set phrase. ---> Tooironic 23:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- It is a set phrase just google news ("car accident") and and argue with that. It can but crash and colission are very clear, accident is not, which is what makes it idiomatic. I'd say car crash deserves an entry too as it is a unique event that happens in life that cannot be expressed with one word and it is said awfully fast as if it where one, makes me think it's a word man. The rest would make alternate forms if anyone wanted to create them.Lucifer 10:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
- None of what you just said applies to Wiktionary's CFI - forgive me for being blunt, but have you actually read the page? ---> Tooironic 23:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- @Lucifer, like Tooironic says, is it that you don't know CFI, or that you don't care? Mglovesfun (talk) 11:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- None of what you just said applies to Wiktionary's CFI - forgive me for being blunt, but have you actually read the page? ---> Tooironic 23:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- It is a set phrase just google news ("car accident") and and argue with that. It can but crash and colission are very clear, accident is not, which is what makes it idiomatic. I'd say car crash deserves an entry too as it is a unique event that happens in life that cannot be expressed with one word and it is said awfully fast as if it where one, makes me think it's a word man. The rest would make alternate forms if anyone wanted to create them.Lucifer 10:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
- You have very strange ideas about what makes non-SoP. "Car accident" can be re-expressed as "car crash", "automobile accident", "automobile collision", "traffic accident", "traffic collision", "motor vehicle accident", "motor vehicle collision", "Road Traffic Collision (RTC)", etc. It's not a set phrase. ---> Tooironic 23:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- Native speakers feel that the belongs to the vocabulary of English. But this argument cannot be used for deleting, because many words may be felt as not belonging to the language, and be used in this language nonetheless. Lmaltier 17:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)