Talk:disbelief

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The definition previously given for disbelief ("disbelief is the condition of not believing") is quite different from most dictionaries. That definition is appropriate for non-belief, just as a 2 year old might not believe the earth goes around the sun, having never considered it. However, the example given (My sister cried out in disbelief when she heard that terrorists had crashed an airplane into the World Trade Center in New York City. ) requires the individual to have considered the idea & to have a conscious problem believing it --JimWae 22:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC) --JimWae 05:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


sorry to be contrary per the above or others elect of the same idea , but..

outside of its probably more widely used fictional adjective like description, are of it used in much more solid conjunctions of more realistic and concrete nature/s. i think this carries enough relevance, and to submit it as what is its lesser renowned non-belief would be often appropriate, but disbelief being used much more commonly in conversation.

RFV discussion: November 2014–January 2015[edit]

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disbelief

Rfv-sense: "The act of removing a belief from the mind or the result of such removal."

This is a rewording of a definition just added by an anon. This is morphologically possible, but does not appear in any of the OneLook references. Could there be use in this sense? DCDuring TALK 09:55, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

A couple of possible citations:
I think most of the Google books hits for "gradual disbelief" support this sense. Smurrayinchester (talk) 08:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Good finds. They initially seemed a bit ambiguous to me, but I think they support the definition. I wonder whether we could beat OED to the punch on this one.
Further, I wonder whether there are parallel uses of the verb disbelieve, either like transitive like disabuse (someone) of (a belief), or only reflexive, or transitive with a belief as object. If so, it would probably be even less ambiguous. DCDuring TALK 16:15, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Here are examples of the verb with the belief as object. They help me get the concept.
  • 1802, The Connecticut Evangelical Magazine, and Religious ...:
    And so far as this opinion prevails, we have reason to fear that the important doctrine, of the real Divinity and even of the humanity of Christ, will be gradually disbelieved.
  • 1890, Edward Henage Dering, Freville Chase, volume 1, page 37:
    Elfrida walked slowly upstairs, reviewing what had happened and not happened in the last three, not to say six weeks, and gradually disbelieving the good case that she had made out.
  • 1923, David Alec Wilson, Life of Carlyle, volume 1, page 79:
    He never "revolted" against Christianity; only, reluctantly and gradually, disbelieved it.
  • 2007, Robert F. Gorman, Great Events from History: The 20th century, 1901-1940:
    Cook's claim was gradually disbelieved, and Cook fell into disfavor and died a pauper in 1940.
Both religious and secular use. DCDuring TALK 16:31, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Looks good, I might reword it a bit, I don't think 'removing from the mind' is the best wording though; I'm a former Christian and the believe hasn't been removed from my mind, I just don't believe it anymore. Renard Migrant (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Please, give it your best shot. DCDuring TALK 19:22, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I did rather walk into that. Renard Migrant (talk) 12:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
RFV-passed. Thanks, all, for the cites and the refinement of the definition. I have just tweaked it, and the def of disbelieve, a bit further. - -sche (discuss) 06:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)