Talk:fragum

portuguese

i don't think the fresa example added as portuguese comes from that etymology (fragum), but from lat. vulg. *fresāre, which comes from lat. fresum, past. particple of frendĕre. that specific fruit in portuguese is called morango.--Sacdegemecs (talk) 06:05, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I added that in a bit hastily, because I saw the Asturian and Galician words for strawberry, which are also "fresa", and assumed that it was Portuguese, too. I'll remove it. - Cirxe (talk) 06:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

i'm afraid the same applies for galician (http://academia.gal/dicionario/-/termo/busca/fresa). the fruit is called amorodo, amorogo. it's ok for asturian, because asturian is a language defeated by the killer language spanish, although the genuine asturian term used to be miruéndanu.--Sacdegemecs (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

The thing is, I just looked at the French Wiktionary entry for 'fraise' and its source, the TFLi ([1]), and it says that the word 'fraise' in its 4th sense, as used to describe a 'milling cutter', actually comes from the strawberry meaning -- by way of the 'ruff collar' meaning (the 3rd sense) due to its shape. If that's the case, I guess all the 'fresas' go into the descendants? - Cirxe (talk) 07:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

i see your point and i would not dare to dispute that hypothesis even if i think the other suggested etymology (here or there) makes also (or even more sense). but i'm not that specialist as to state categorically that one or the other is more right. maybe you can just point out both possibilities in the entry.

Those are some good sources too... Hmm, I guess the only thing to do is to list both as possibilities, like you said. Thanks for posting those links! - Cirxe (talk) 23:27, 3 April 2017 (UTC)