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Etymology of mulligan[edit]

Investigate "Mull" (Think) possible that Mulligan may be equivelent to "think that one over, again" --Christopher.perkins 12:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

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mulligan[edit]

Rfd-redundant: golf sense redundant to normal sense AFAICT (and that's the way it seems from w:mulligan (games) too).​—msh210 (talk) 18:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Move to RfV. All OneLook dictionaries show only the golf sense. The extension to other uses follows the pattern of many other sports terms. We don't usually suppress the originating usage. Citations would be necessary, I suppose, to establish the priority on which my narrative is premised. DCDuring TALK 19:03, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
If you're right about the origin, then I agree with you about what we should do about it. (Use of {{by extension}} seems warranted in that case.)​—msh210 (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Cleanup (split by etymology) and RfV. Etymonline has etymology. Also see the WP page. Pingku 04:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Would the split be into three etymologies, each of them eponymous, but unknown? DCDuring TALK 12:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
On second thoughts, what I had in mind might prejudice the review. I'm inclined towards etyms for the stew sense (presumably with the details tucked away in mulligan stew) and for the golf sense, both based on the name. For the latter, WP gives too many possibilities to be useful. For the stew, w:mulligan stew (food) gives an interesting theory. Pingku 16:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

moved to RFV -- Liliana 16:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

RFV[edit]

See Wiktionary:Requests for verification archive/2011/more#mulligan. - -sche (discuss) 20:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

RFV discussion: October 2011–March 2012[edit]

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Rfv-sense:

  • Mulligan stew.
  • A second chance.
  • (informal) A unit of measure equal to 62.5 milliliters, or 2.5 shots, of alcohol.

Moved from RFD, where it was claimed that only the (non-tagged) golf sense actually exists, and the others apparently don't. -- Liliana 16:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I have heard the second-chance sense used, mostly by golfers, but outside the context of golfing. It is reasonable that someone would understand this broader use. I think it might even be "widespread use", but citations are always good. DCDuring TALK 22:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I've cited the chance and stew senses.​—msh210 (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
There are no Web (!) hits for "a mulligan of rum|gin|whiskey|whisky|bourbon|scotch".​—msh210 (talk) 17:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
I actually happen to have heard and personally used this term in the card game w:Magic the Gathering. Taking a mulligan means to shuffle your initial hand back into the deck and draw for the second time, but one less card than the initial draw, should you get a bad hand. This complies with the second definition: A second chance.. I also believe that this usage is indeed taken from its usage in golf. JamesjiaoTC 20:59, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
The unit of measurement is off, anyway -- one shot is 1.5 ounces in the US, or 44.36... ml. Rounding up for easier math gives us 45 ml. 2.5 shots would be 3.75 oz or (roughly speaking) 112.5 ml, or more exactly (when converting from 3.75 oz) 110.9... ml.
I have no idea where this 62.5 ml measurement came from. Any bar serving shots of only 25 ml would not stay open for very long. -- Eiríkr ÚtlendiTala við mig 20:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Cited senses pass, thank you msh210! Other sense fails. - -sche (discuss) 05:53, 22 March 2012 (UTC)