Talk:mwy

Is the pronunciation correct?

The appendix says that 'Wy has the sound of oo-ee or a short Wi sound as in win', which is what I take the /ʊɨ/ diphthong to represent. But, I have only heard mwy pronunced like 'moy'. Have I got the IPA wrong or is the pronunciation incorrect? EdwardH (talk) 08:32, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's /mʊɨ/ in the standard language (North Wales pronunciation; standard South Walian would be /mʊi/ since in South Wales /ɨ/ merges with /i/), but it's possible that it's /mɔɨ/~/mɔi/ in the local dialect of the area where you live. Is this the only word spelled with wy where you hear /ɔɨ/, or is it all words with wy (except the ones where it's pronounced /wɨ/ or /wə/, of course)? Would you say bwyd rhymes with coed, or would the native speakers you know say the two of them rhyme? It could also just be your English-speaking ears hearing a familiar diphthong rather than an unfamiliar one; think of the name Lloyd, which comes from Welsh Llwyd, with the Welsh wy turning into English oy because /ɔɪ/ is the sound familiar to English speakers. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 12:29, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I would say all the words with wy in them are pronounced like /ɔɨ/. I, personally, would say that coed rhymes with bwyd, although I know my Welsh teacher pronounces it with a /ɔi/ sound. An example of /ɔɨ/ for wy is the pronunciation clip from the wyth and for bwyta. But, seeing as Google has few mentions of wy being pronounced /ɔɨ/, it seems this is just a local variation. EdwardH (talk) 17:27, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

To my ear, both of those audio clips have /ʊɨ/, not /ɔi/. Audio clips with /ɔi/ can be found at coeden, coedwig, croen, and troed; to me it sounds like a different diphthong from the one in wyth and bwyta. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, I can see the difference between them now. Thanks for the help! EdwardH (talk) 07:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)