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new + best friend. I am inclined to speedy it. — Keφr 07:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm... there is a particular sense in which this is used, when jokingly suggesting that you are going to exploit somebody for what they can offer you, e.g. "You know [some celebrity]? That makes you my new best friend!" The existing definition doesn't capture this at all but I think that's what he was going for. Equinox ◑ 11:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- That might work, but is it attestable? And why is it not just a sarcastic use of best friend? — Keφr 12:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- I think the sarcastic usage also implies a very temporary status. For example, if you need your car and the valet shows up, you might say he's your "new best friend", but that status will only apply until you have your car. bd2412 T 13:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- That might work, but is it attestable? And why is it not just a sarcastic use of best friend? — Keφr 12:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep: You are correct that it is usually used sarcastically. I think it fails SOP because it can not only be used with people who aren't your friend, it can be used with things that aren't people at all! Purplebackpack89 14:12, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Show it. (By which I mean citations, not something contrived on the spot.) — Keφr 14:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- That's an RfV issue, not an RfD one, and was the STFU in the edit summary really necessary? Purplebackpack89 14:42, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Truth is, even if you found citations, I would likely consider them a rather unremarkable case of metaphor not particularly worthy of inclusion, the target of which could just as well be said to be best friend (or even just friend). I mean, you could refer to a dildo as your best friend. I am quite convinced some users thereof already do, though probably not in media acceptable as attestation. So, in large part, it was a rhetorical phrase. — Keφr 15:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I've found citations. The fact that you have closed your mind to the keeping of this entry, even if citations were found, is disheartening and unproductive. It doesn't build a Wiktionary. Purplebackpack89 15:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Turns out I was wrong about dildoes being uncitable.
- 2004, Marcy Sheiner, Best Women's Erotica 2005, Cleis Press →ISBN, page 78
- “It's called a dildo, Betsy darling. And it will be your best friend until James comes home again.”
- 2011, Jake Wheat, The Spaghetti Seduction & Other Delicious Super Gay Erotic Stories →ISBN
- Back and forth, in and out, buzzing all the way – this King Kong dildo had become my new best friend.
- 2011, Christopher Taylor, "Mirrors", Best of Asian Erotica (edited by Richard Lord), Monsoon Books →ISBN
- “Let me introduce you to my best friend,” she says. She reaches under the bed and pulls out a smooth black dildo, a foot and a halflong.
- 2004, Marcy Sheiner, Best Women's Erotica 2005, Cleis Press →ISBN, page 78
- Truth is, even if you found citations, I would likely consider them a rather unremarkable case of metaphor not particularly worthy of inclusion, the target of which could just as well be said to be best friend (or even just friend). I mean, you could refer to a dildo as your best friend. I am quite convinced some users thereof already do, though probably not in media acceptable as attestation. So, in large part, it was a rhetorical phrase. — Keφr 15:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- That's an RfV issue, not an RfD one, and was the STFU in the edit summary really necessary? Purplebackpack89 14:42, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Show it. (By which I mean citations, not something contrived on the spot.) — Keφr 14:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete for the reasons given, including Purplebackpack89's. —CodeCat 15:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. If we include the metaphorical/sarcastic sense it should be added to best friend, because it isn’t always used with new. — Ungoliant (falai) 15:29, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Can you attest that? Purplebackpack89 15:33, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I can.
- 2005, Jeff Davidson, The Complete Idiot's Guide to Getting Things Done, Penguin →ISBN, page 212
- You might even say, the bigger the problem, the greater your creative potential. The problem you're facing is your best friend because it will help to bring out the best in you.
- 2006, Christopher Duncan, The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World, Apress →ISBN
- As an entrepreneur, a conservative financial outlook is your best friend. Live to fight another day. Running a business also involves a host of legal issues. Talk to some people you respect and trust, get some recommendations, and hire a good
- 2010, Art Seamans, I See, Said the Blind Man, AuthorHouse →ISBN, page 48
- An instructor informed us that in battle, your rifle is your best friend.
- 2005, Jeff Davidson, The Complete Idiot's Guide to Getting Things Done, Penguin →ISBN, page 212
- Happy? — Keφr 15:40, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Not really, because you didn't create a definition at best friend for those citations, and then put those citations there. I have done so, and will acquiesce to the deletion of new best friend if the definition I added at best friend is allowed to remain. Purplebackpack89 00:19, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I can.
- Can you attest that? Purplebackpack89 15:33, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. --WikiTiki89 20:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Re: above: "it can be used with things that aren't people at all!" Ever heard of "my cat is my best friend"? Or any other noun that isn't a human. Renard Migrant (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete and make sure best friend covers it. Renard Migrant (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- google books:"my|his|her dog|cat|computer|car|motorbike| is my|his|her best friend. Renard Migrant (talk) 13:13, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- I think even friend can be used this way. If you disbelieve me, Google is your friend. — Keφr 13:16, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete and make sure best friend covers it. Renard Migrant (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- Re: above: "it can be used with things that aren't people at all!" Ever heard of "my cat is my best friend"? Or any other noun that isn't a human. Renard Migrant (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Deleted.—msh210℠ (talk) 05:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)