Talk:sila

Tagalog plural?

@Ysrael214 How is "sila-sila" the plural of "sila"? Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser I'll add to the template later but more correct is "collective" when referring to a specific group. Sila-sila lang ang nagpunta roon. Ysrael214 (talk) 13:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: Aside from sila, same goes for kayo, kaniya, kanila. Also the plural of kailan should be kai-kailan, I think. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Is kaniya-kaniya even plural or collective? To me, it means to split up, to be separate individuals. "Magkanya-kanya tayo sa bayad. KKB." Ysrael214 (talk) 14:08, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: For the direct personal pronouns (sila, kayo, kami, tayo), reduplication of that is not plural or collective (since the word is already plural), but instead for intensification or emphasis. I quote "Reduplication in Tagalog" by Cecilio Lopez (1950): "Full reduplication (3) indicates emphasis, intensiveness or plurality in the following cases, viz.: a) the pronoun of the third person plural may take this reduplication, e.g., silasilá, kanikanilá, as well as silá, kanilá." I didn't type the multiple examples listed in the paper. Anyway, I think it's more of an emphasis. For example, "Tayo lang nandito" and "Tayo-tayo lang nandito" is an emphasis that it's just us. Even in Vicassan's, "tayo-tayo" is defined as "just us", the word "just" to stress the "us" being exclusive. As for "kaniya-kaniya", it's defined as "each his/her own". So I don't think you should add it in the header, because it's not a plural, not a collective term, unlike for adjectives. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)