Talk:stupid shit

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RFV discussion: November 2011[edit]

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I think this is a verifiable word, and we have dumb fuck, stupid fuck, chickenshit, they are all the same family of insults and this one is very common.Lucifer 23:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

"stupid shit" and stupid fuck (which YOU created) are two-word phrases, dumbfuck and chickenshit are single-word compounds, which we tend to treat differently from two-word phrases like stupid shit and stupid fuck. — [Ric Laurent] — 23:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
They are all written both as one word and as two words.Lucifer 23:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
You can't just say that, you need to verify it. Dumbfuck yeah, but I've never seen stupidfuck or stupidshit anywhere, ever, except here, because you added them. — [Ric Laurent] — 00:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I didn't, they are both verified, I'm not making it up. Have you ever heard someone call someone a stupid shit? or stupid fuck?Lucifer 03:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
... but there are two words in this expression. Why do you insist on using the word "word" for "two-word terms"? Dbfirs 08:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Word is used in a typographic sense, but also in a linguistic sense (same sense as term). If you think that this is a term, then it should be includable (blue bicycle is not a term, not a word, but is it possible to consider stupid shit as a term, as a word in the linguistic sense, I have no idea). Lmaltier 08:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, all the two word terms added by Troy are simple sums of parts and should be deleted. SemperBlotto 08:22, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Naturally I agree. — [Ric Laurent] — 01:09, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
.. as do I, with possibly one or two exceptions. I'm evidently not a linguist since I don't consider the words "word" and "term" to be synonyms. Dbfirs 09:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
An interesting page: https://courses.washington.edu/info200/win12/word.htm
For typographers, runs and run are different words, and presqu'île, so long or on-line are composed of two words. For linguists, runs and run are the same word (they belong to the same lexeme), and presqu'île, so long or on-line are single words (items of vocabulary). This is what I was meaning. We seem to miss the typographic sense in word. Lmaltier 18:16, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I suppose "Any sequence of letters or characters considered as a discrete entity" covers a wide range of senses. The OED distinguishes "words" from "compound terms" consisting of two or more words, with or without hyphens. Dbfirs 10:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Very interesting you brought that up, but I think that shows there's a debate and I think most people think a vocabulary term is a word.Lucifer 08:42, 27 November 2011 (UTC)