Talk:vox clamantis in deserto
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A valid biblical allusion, but we are not Wikiquote. Is there idiomatic usage of which I am unaware? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, it can be idiomatic for John the Baptist. I can't speak for Latin, but it's sort of used that way in English (I say sort of, because it's debatable whether it's simply an allusion, or is an actually idiomatic name for St. John). Andrew Sheedy (talk) 04:49, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- Hadn't actually heard of it being used to refer to John the Baptist, I always associated it more with Isaiah 40:3. The Hebrew equivalent (קוֹל קוֹרֵא בַּמִּדְבָּר (kol koré bamidbár)) is used to refer to a speaker whose arguments go unheard or unheeded. I believe that the English voice in the wilderness is used in much the same way. Anyway, how do you establish in cases like this where something stops being an allusion, and becomes an idiom worthy of inclusion in its own right? — Kleio (t · c) 18:22, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- In the Gospel according John 1:23, John the Baptist says that he is the voice in the wilderness of Isaiah 40:3, so it's conceivable that other people have used the phrase to allude to him. Maybe this should be moved to RFV. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:41, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- I found this definition when looking up an idiomatic use of the phrase in Taleb's The Black Swan:
- Seeing how superfluous his measure was, and how it squandered resources, the public, with great help from airline pilots, might well boot him out of office. Vox clamantis in deserto. He will retire depressed, with a great sense of failure.
- I think it's appropriate for Wiktionary. Splintax (talk) 05:42, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I came to my computer to look up vox clamantis in deserto because I couldn't recall the referent. I was pleased to find it in Wiktionary.
--BobShair (talk) 00:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
- I see that you put "Wikipedia" first and fixed it, and that you have never made any edits here before. It seems an absurd thing for a mere RFD, but am I witnessing meatpuppetry? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This is in Merriam-Webster[1]. Should this also have an English entry (the nominated one is Latin)? --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:18, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- RFD kept: no consensus for deletion: only one boldfaced delete if we count the nomination as one, and one delete does not consensus make; there are non-boldfaced keeps. --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:18, 20 August 2017 (UTC)