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"Han character" heading[edit]

Do not enter blank stubs with invalid headings, especially with no definition line at all. --Connel MacKenzie 05:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for this kind and helpful comment. We are all human, I suppose, and each of us makes mistakes from time to time, and one like this slips through (whichever entry it was, as it was not specified in your post). If I'm not mistaken, not one of us is immune from this. When I encounter such errors made by other skilled, long-time, and productive editors, I usually fix it myself. 06:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I have been searching for the entry containing the mistake you pointed out, and am having great difficulty finding it. I would be most appreciative if you would point me to it, so that I may learn from it, and try not to make it again. Many thanks, 06:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing blank lines[edit]

Please do not remove blank lines before headers. These are automatically added by the software and by bots. They are useful for section editing, and will be put back by the bots anyway. --EncycloPetey 05:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

It does not save bandwidth; it just makes more work for the bots. --EncycloPetey 05:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


Instead of opening up talk pages the people who usually add Romance etymologies are not likely to ever stumble upon, you might wanna try creating ===Etymology=== section and place {{rfe}} in it instead --Ivan Štambuk 02:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[1] You are too lazy or what? --Ivan Štambuk 18:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I just deleted it in the meantime ^_^. You should really consider using {{rfe}} with lang= parameter excepting ISO code for language specified (or leave it blank for English). --Ivan Štambuk 18:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Your Vietnamese Contributions[edit]

Are great. Do you speak Vietnamese natively, or where did you learn? --Neskaya talk 20:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see my talk page, where I replied to you. --Neskaya talk 00:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my fomatting mistake there. Curious, why do you edit anonymously as opposed to getting an account? --Neskaya talk 20:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


I added {{attention}} to this entry, as I assumed that you were trying to, but gave up since {{he-attention}} does not exist. This template can be used with any language, simply enter the ISO code of the language as the first parameter. You can also use the second parameter (a null parameter) to state specifically what you would like looked at, if you like. Finally, I would like to reiterate my earlier encouragement for you to sign up for a username. It's nice to place a name to contributions. People will take you more seriously, and you're much more likely to receive help with any requests you might make (e.g. the bot request). Obviously, it's not a requirement, so you are free to do as you wish. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 09:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Lao marks[edit]

As I said to your other messages, I need some more information to work out why you can't se ethe tone marks properly. What Lao fonts do you have on your machine? PS, consider creating an account. Ƿidsiþ 18:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


It would be much appreciated if you made yourself an account. Makes life easier for the administrators here. H. (talk) 09:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

street cred[edit]

No offense to your change, which I agreed with. I think that street credibility belonged at street cred, because it is more common and is not as sum-of-its-parts as "street credibility". Thanks for making me notice. DCDuring TALK 02:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested Irish entries[edit]

Two requests were added to Wiktionary:Requested entries:Irish from this IP address, breck and brecken. Neither of these appear to be Irish words, especially as they don't follow typical Irish spelling rules. I am removing them for now, but if you added these and could provide more context, I'd be happy to help if I can. —Leftmostcat 05:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It's possible that they're etymologically Irish. If that's the case, I'd suggest that they're anglicised forms from breicne (freckle). That would seem to fit the given etymology (though "freckled" is breicneach). I can add these entries. It may also be worthwhile requesting the names as English language entries, though I'd look for more solid information on etymology before adding that. —Leftmostcat 17:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Nigerian Pidgin[edit]

Yuo're welcome. You might look at some changes I made to the entry for dey. I've created the ISO template for Nigerian Pidgin, so adding the category and inflection line is not possible using {{infl}}. --EncycloPetey 21:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


Please see Wiktionary:Redirections. We do not use redirects between different spellings of words. --EncycloPetey 01:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't have anything at hand that would answer your question about above ground, but a quick look at returns from a search on Google Books suggests that it is a used variant. --EncycloPetey 21:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Cool. I've added the usual templates for formatting. --EncycloPetey 21:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
There are some template for which I do have to look up the syntax in certain situations. However, I edit often enough that I've learned the basic use for most of the English, Spanish, and Latin templates that I need. I often cut and paste for Latin verbs and adjectives, but only because the parameters are complicated for those templates. There also are a few templates that I've added to my personal section of the Edittools, and this allows me to add a template line like "* {{audio|en-us-{{subst:PAGENAME}}.ogg|Audio (US)}}" with the click of a button. This is one of the advantages of having a user account, since this customizing feature is not available to anons. --EncycloPetey 22:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


There is a general {{attention}} template. You can mark a page in any language like this: {{attention|es}}. --EncycloPetey 22:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi Thanks for helping out on Wiktionary and particularly going over my Vietnamese edits. But nobody is really of fan of nagging like you have been doing about the categories. It's a collaborative project and we work on what we know and what we enjoy. I don't know the category structures too well and I have never bothered with the vanilla ones, just as other people don't bother with some of the stuff I like to work on. The more we enjoy the more we work. The less we enjoy the less we work. Nobody enjoys nagging. For all I know one of the bots adds such categories. For all I know there are more categories that even you are not adding. I don't know and I don't care. And those who know and care can and do come along and collaborate by adding the stuff that is important to them.

Anyway enough whining. I enjoy seeing the changes you make after mine, just ease up on whining about the stuff you care about but I don't please. — hippietrail 23:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Requesting etymologies[edit]

The template for requesting an etymology is {{rfe}}, which is for "Request For Etymology". You can add this directly to the entry. If the word is not English, then add lang=. So to request an etymology for a Vietnamese word, you could use {{rfe|lang=vi}}. --EncycloPetey 01:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Most of these are named similarly, so {{rfd}} is for Deletions, {{rfap}} is for Audio Pronunciations, {{rft}} is for the Tea Room discussions, {{rfv}} is for Verification, etc. These are categorized under Category:Maintenance templates and Category:Request templates. --EncycloPetey 01:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

white cell[edit]

Is this form ever used outside of the expression white cell count? --EncycloPetey 00:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --EncycloPetey 01:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

commented out comments[edit]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds them irritating. How exactly do you expect to get an answer? Use the talk page for any of questions you might have, either of the entry itself or the author who created it. --Ivan Štambuk 07:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Would you kindly moderate your tone when posting to my discussion page? Many thanks, 07:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't use boldface for han characters ;)[edit]

It makes them hard to read. so just leave off the ''' '''. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 21:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Aha, is that a community guideline, or just your personal preference? 01:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for your contribution on this article. However, we don't add translations to non-English entries. I hope you understand that translations in non-English entries are not maintainable because of huge number of mutual links. Therefore your translation should belong under Laozi entry which is the "English" name of the person. --Jyril 07:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


Reminder: Wiktionary does not use redirects between spellings. See Wiktionary:Redirections. --EncycloPetey 02:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

ฆรณี (kɔɔ-rá-nii)[edit]

You were right. 50 Xylophone Players talk 16:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


Why did you mark mèsi with {{attention}}? —Internoob (Talk|Cont.) 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

rice noodle, rice vermicelli[edit]

I have nominated these entries for deletion. In English, they are merely the sum of their component parts. --EncycloPetey 02:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Pleurotus eryngii[edit]

Scientific names are treated as Translingual, not as English. Such entries should not have a Translations section, as that should appear on in English entries. --EncycloPetey 22:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, thank you for this notification. How, then, do our users get the translations if we are not allowed to add the various languages? 22:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Just as you've done -- by putting the translations on the English name entry. --EncycloPetey 22:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


I have deleted this as there is already a template for this function. Use {{attention}} with the ISO code of any language as the first argument. --EncycloPetey 05:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The first argument? I don't intend to make any arguments at Wiktionary. If you could be more clear, that would be great. A redirect from one easy-to-remember template to another is often quite helpful. 05:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I mean that you can place {{attention | ar}} so that ar is the ISO code and is used as the argument or parameter of the template. But this works with any language code, so there is never a need to create a template specific to any language. It works for all languages. --EncycloPetey 05:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, this seems to make sense but we have been using such easy-to-remember templates as zh-attention for years. It is no problem to make a redirect from an easy-to-remember template to another. Also, the part following the | in various templates is inconsistent because the RFE template uses an = (equals sign) whereas this one does not. That is confusing. 05:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
You do not have to give up using {{zh-attention}}. It is a much-used template. However, most languages do not make such heavy use of a corresponding template. We created the one {{attention}} template so that we would never have to create another template for a new language.
Yes, the {{rfe}} template is inconsistent, but the language-specific function was added afterwards, which may explain why it requires the =. It was originally set up using the first parameter for a comment or text. It would require a bot to change all existing usages of that template before we could make the two templates consistent. --EncycloPetey 05:55, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Thank you for the very clear explanations. 07:56, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


thanks a lot, and thanks for your work too! --达伟 21:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I will try to work on Requested Entries. I'm glad to help....and it's unfortunate that despite the huge importance of Chinese, there are so few working on it thus far --达伟 22:08, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
See if some of my clues on Requested Entries help at all --达伟 22:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Just one thing; I will definitely help at Requested Entries when I can, but I do think many of the words listed there are rarities or curiosities; since there are still many, many basic words (i.e. words that are learned by native speakers in primary school) from the HSK list (e.g., I will probably focus on those first. --达伟 07:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

User account?[edit]

While I can't force you to have one, it's excedingly irritating for someone who edits regularly to not have a free account; (particularly it would be nice to whitelist you so that we don't have to manually Patrol all your edits). As far as I can see there are no reasons to not have an account, it increases privacy, increases functionality (unless you turn it all off so it's just like it is now), and as an added bonus you even get a user page (should you wish to use it). You could even have 24·29·228·33 if you just happen to like your IP address a lot (and could even make it look like an IP address if you have a font that supports dotted numbers). Thanks. Conrad.Irwin 02:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind note. I formerly had a user account, but over a period of months was treated extremely poorly in almost all interactions with all users. There was no acknowledgement of various concerns I brought up (at best), and some of the most extreme rudeness I have ever experienced (at worst), consistently. Thus, I have chosen to edit anonymously, if I am not to be accorded basic consideration as a productive editor with the best intentions toward improving our project. 02:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Conrad, IPs can be whitelisted. See WT:WL.​—msh210 17:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
The method used there is unreliable. Conrad.Irwin 17:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks so much for your support. I really appreciate it.

Also thanks for the link to the Swadesh words. Definitely a useful place to start.

In the future I will try to add pinyin to the new Chinese articles you make, where necessary. Also I can put pinyin & definitions on the Chinese Requested Entries list and if you're inclined you could put them in an article if you choose.

Also, you might want to look at user:Tooironic's templates (at the top of his userpage I believe) for creating Chinese entries--once you copy and paste it's really easy.

Thanks! --达伟 15:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


Please see the etymology of Zubenelgenubi and Zubeneschamali. Can you help with Arabic entries? --EncycloPetey 00:20, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I did my best but they will need attention from a native speaker. I'm not sure how to make entries for the root words when they're in non-standard forms in the star names. 00:37, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
I've asked Stephen to help. He knows quite a lot about Arabic. --EncycloPetey 00:47, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

ecopoet etc.[edit]

Good grief, don't start a separate rant on every page I have ever edited. Try searching Google Books, as I always do before adding a word. Equinox 05:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Kindly maintain a tone that is not sarcastic or abusive (a systemic problem at Wiktionary, during all the years I have worked here). 05:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
You may be interested in [2]. Equinox 05:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Reconstructed pronunciations[edit]

Hi. Thanks for all the work on Middle Chinese. On many of the entries (eg ) you've wikilinked the reconstructed pronunciation. Our policy on reconstructed terms is that they shouldn't be in the main entry space and therefore we don't link to them in the normal way (read the policy for more details). Please continue to put the asterisks next to reconstructed terms, just don't wikilink them. Thanks. --Bequwτ 03:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

hello :)[edit]

I just wanted to say thank you for all your hard work on Wiktionary and if you could please please PLEASE use the proper formatting it would be make my life a whole lot easier (it takes a lot of time to go through all the entries you create to add the correct stuff). Check out How to Create a Basic Chinese Entry for more information. And you can always leave a message on my user page if you have any questions. Cheers! Tooironic 14:24, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


Please do not copy any more Arabic from the Arabic Wikipedia. Many if not most of the Arabic entries there are plurals, and all we can do with them here is indicate that they are plurals. The definitions and other information goes on the page for the singular form, not the plural. Please, no more Arabic. —Stephen (Talk) 12:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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