User talk:Cloudcuckoolander

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I formerly went by Astral on Wiktionary, but changed my username to Cloudcuckoolander in May 2013.

Retired November 2015. You want to pay people for doing regular wiki work, be my guest. But I'm not continuing to volunteer my time out if you do.


You’ll be back[edit]

Really, you will. --Romanophile (contributions) 16:47, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

No. This is it, sorry. A line has been crossed and crossed again. The wiki sold its proverbial soul for $10 and I am done. -Cloudcuckoolander (talk) 07:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
I hope you will return as well. I'm sorry you feel that we have lost our soul; the only aim has always been to build a good free dictionary, and I would keep on doing that even if the exact same contributions I made for free were paid if someone else did them (and this is, of course, not likely ever to be the case for the edits that you or I do). I derive pleasure from the work and from what we have produced, rather than what values anyone may put on it (and pageviews, rather than dollars or reais, seem like a good way to measure value, but I think my work here, much of it on obscure vocabulary or little-known lects, would do exceedingly poorly by that metric). In any case, you know as well as we do that leaving and returning is the norm, and that's okay; we'll appreciate whatever further contributions you choose to make. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 08:23, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
She’s done this several times. Check the history section of this page if you disbelieve me. Every once in a while some drama goes on here and she claims that she’s leaving forever, only to come crawling back weeks later. Several other editors have already been through this, but when you do it over and over, it just chips away at your credibility. --Romanophile (contributions) 21:08, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Paid editing isn't "drama." It's a wholesale betrayal of the most fundamental principle upon which this and other Wikimedia projects were founded. In the past, it's usually been interpersonal run-ins that prompted my wiki-breaks and wiki-retirements, and some distance allowed the proverbial air to clear to the point where I felt comfortable resuming editing. But this isn't something that can be resolved with distance. If I come back two months from now, the stench of paid editing is still going be hanging in the air, because this time the problem lies with the wiki itself, not with its users. A wiki that tolerates paid editing is a wiki that has no respect for its volunteers and the work they do, and I value my time, energy, and sanity too much to allow myself to be taken for granted. -Cloudcuckoolander (talk) 21:54, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Cloudcuckoolander, you are one of the contributors who contribute substantive lexicography, not just edits that switch one template for another. Your repute for adding attesting quotations that are hard to find, in volumes, is unmatched. If you leave, English Wiktionary will be so much poorer. If you object to the practice of editors being paid for editing, we can raise this in Beer parlour. Paid editing was discussed in Beer parlour and no one objected, AFAIK. I tend to think paid trivial boring edits can be okay, but must be strictly within established consensus. Either way, we would be better off without paid trivial edits than to lose a valuable contributor of real substance. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:38, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
I apologize; I did not realize you have raised your objections at Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2015/November#term cleanup in user pages and discussion pages. --Dan Polansky (talk) 16:18, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. Unfortunately, the response to my posts at the BP has been hand-waving followed by crickets (while, concurrently, another bribe was offered and accepted). -Cloudcuckoolander (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)