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Þrymskviða pronunciation[edit]

Hi Beobach972. Thanks for adding this pronunciatory transcription to the entry for Þrymskviða. Please note my changes thereto. By the way, could you add the correct stress marks (<ˈ> as well as, optionally, <ˌ>) to the transcription please? Thanks.  (u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 21:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for linking (and making) the corrections. I've indicated the stress, but can you see if I've done it correctly? As a rule, stress falls on the first syllable in Icelandic words, and this is no exception — but I've seen some dictionaries indicate stress by putting the mark before the syllable, and some after it. I don't add pronunciation information often enough to be familiar with which is our practice (I had to hunt to find an entry with such information to serve as a model). — Beobach972 05:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


As I think you're the only one that's used it recently, I moved {{gpp}} to {{de-pp}} for template naming consistency. --Bequw¢τ 03:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


I do not want to come across as contumelious but please consider casting your vote for the tile logo as—besides using English—the book logo has a clear directionality of horizontal left-to-right, starkly contrasting with Arabic and Chinese, two of the six official UN languages. As such, the tile logo is the only translingual choice left and it was also elected in m:Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-4. Warmest Regards, :)--thecurran Speak your mind my past 03:16, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Genericized trademarks[edit]

Because of your edit to [[Category:Genericized trademarks]], I thought I should inform you of the discussion now at [[WT:RFM#Category:Genericized_trademarks]].​—msh210 20:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Votes/2010-04/Voting policy[edit]

I urge you to vote. (I don't know which way you'll vote, but I want more voices, especially English Wiktionarians' voices, heard in this vote.) If you've voted already, or stated that you won't, and I missed it, I apologize.​—msh210 17:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi Beobach,

Could you re-check this entry when you get a chance? It just got listed at RFV, and the hits at google books:"matzia" vandalic make me think it actually means "eat".

Thanks in advance!
RuakhTALK 15:29, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I'm not sure why I thought it was girls; I was probably confusing it with something Gothic (cf the German Mädchen) — ironic, given that the Latin epigram that records it does call it Gothic, though it's not. Thanks for spotting the mistake — Old High German maz and Old Norse mata, both meaning food, together with the translation of matzia ia drincan as food and drink or eat(ing) and drink(ing), do suggest that it means one of those things. Now the question is: which one of those things? Eat, which you suggest, would be simplest; the other translations do seem to be a bit more poetic. — Beobach972 03:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! —RuakhTALK 04:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back![edit]

And thanks for your work on RFV! I've made some progress the last few months, but it's slow going. —RuakhTALK 04:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I remember a magical time when the last of the entries that were more than a year old was taken care of, and the RFV page was neat and small. I'm not sure if that really happened or if I just imagined it, but I'm determined to help make it happen (or happen again) now. — Beobach972 20:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
The magical time did really happen.
When Andrew massyn (talkcontribs) was around, he would log in once a month and decide which entries he wanted kept and which ones he didn't. Few entries got cited, so his decisions were generally based on whether he thought the word or sense existed, rather than anything objective. This had the advantage of keeping WT:RFV neat and small, but it had the downside of depending on people's obeying his decisions. When he left, that system fell apart.
Afterward, Cynewulf (talkcontribs) and I used to move months at a time onto archive pages. This also had the advantage of keeping WT:RFV itself neat and small, but it didn't keep the number of tagged entries neat and small. In fact, it happens pretty often now that someone will list an entry at WT:RFV, with a message like "tagged, never listed", when in fact the entry is still listed on some old archive page from more than three years ago.
The current system has its own problems, obviously. In late July the page got over 970,000 bytes. Currently it's down below 670,000. (That's not just my doing, obviously. Several other editors have worked on it as well.) So — progress; but as you can see, there's still a long way to go. I welcome your help.
RuakhTALK 22:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
On a whim, I looked back through the RFV page's history to see what the biggest it had been was — 970,428 bytes at 09:07, 26 July 2010, as you said. I was quite amused to see the edit summary for that diff, though: "(→shit: kept)". Unwittingly apt explanation for the whole page size... but Wiktionary got rid of its jokes page, didn't it? — Beobach972 09:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, no, it didn't! — Beobach972 09:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

at the high port[edit]

Excellent job. DCDuring TALK 19:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


Congratulations on achieving the 2008 cleanup milestone. Thanks for your excellent efforts and the results thereof. DCDuring TALK 12:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you / you're welcome! :) My hope, as I told Ruakh a few paragraphs up, is to help get the page down to a more manageable size again... only have, say, one-year-old entries on the page (haha). A lot of entries are tagged {{look}}, but at the moment I doubt anyone scrolls the length of the page to see them, for example. — Beobach 18:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


There are six senses ("(firefighting) A hose", "(graph theory) An edge of a graph", "A long tape, or a narrow ribbon of steel, etc., marked with subdivisions, as feet and inches, for measuring; a tapeline", "A lie or exaggeration, especially one told to gain another's approval or prevent losing it: Don't feed me a line!", "(fencing, ‘line of engagement’) The position in which the fencers hold their swords", and "(engineering) The proper relative position or adjustment of parts, not as to design or proportion, but with reference to smooth working") that you've commented out of this entry. The last two are marked as perhaps not belonging to this entry, so I understand your commenting them out (though I don't agree with it: now they're much harder to find, and you didn't add the senses to the other entries). but the first four definitely belong at [[line]] if they're correct, so why comment them out? If you doubt them, RFV them; if you think they're redundant to other existing senses, then RFD them (or at least include rewrite those senses to include these, and move the examples sentences over); otherwise, leave them. The firefighting and "lie or exaggeration" senses I know to be correct (though some may argue that the latter is already included in some other sense and does not deserve its own).​—msh210 (talk) 16:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've made the senses visible again. I had commented them out, as you've guessed, either because I thought they should be moved, they seemed doubtful (like the tapeline sense), or they seemed indistinct from existing senses (like hose ← any cord). In fencing, upon further thought, "line" is used in more than just the one listed phrase, so it is probably best where it is after all, though I am trying to figure out how to reword it. A RFV of the doubtful senses ("tapeline" and the engineering sense outside of the given phrases) would probably be hard, because line is so common and has so many senses, so I'm trying to look for examples on my own before taking that step, but I've made them visible in the meantime. :) — Beobach 01:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks.​—msh210 (talk) 04:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Minutiae aside, this concludes a ~3 year RFC, by the way! — Beobach 01:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, wow, I hadn't realized. Much kudos!​—msh210 (talk) 04:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

mret redirection to mpret[edit]

Hello, who did you erase the redirection to mpretpret ? Mag-Zen 19:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I erased the old redirect to mpret from mret because Wiktionary rarely uses redirects in the main namespace, and the creator of mret (who moved the entry and created the redirect) noted that mret was a typo anyway. — Beobach 19:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Shall i add entry or can you just keep the redirection please ? Mag-Zen 19:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Is mret a common misspelling, or alternative spelling, of the English word mpret? If it is, you could create a {{misspelling of|}} entry, or an alternative-spelling-of entry, like proctodaeumproctodeum. — Beobach 19:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

No mret is not mispelling is the ancient pronounciation, reformed to mbret (brute, burrë بور, Britannic U.K King) in 1947 by sino-russian communist gouvernement of Enver Hoxha... Mag-Zen 19:58, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

In that case, we do not need a redirect. — Beobach 20:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I suggest to not add to much ::::: because the screen is little... Mag-Zen 20:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Shall i add the mret entry ? How can i lock the page to avoid erasing ? Mag-Zen 20:17, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

You say mret is only a different pronunciation; for that, we do not need a redirect at mret. Is mret an older spelling of the Albanian word mbret or the English word mpret? If it is, you could create an {{alternative spelling of|}} entry, quoting books that use the older spelling. — Beobach 20:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Mret is ancient albanian pronounciation. I'm not in albania right now and i can't check a book using ancient word, but i'm sure that one day i will add reference, my father & mother tell me so, so i believe what they say. Peace Mag-Zen 20:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

re: entrañar < entraña[edit]

Hi there, thanks for the tip! I think I did that a few times, I'll fix my other edits. Limes 05:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

re: malm[edit]

Hi Beobach,

I noticed your revision of my edit. Is this due to a lack of references? If so, how would I go about finding adequate ones? Either way I would appreciate any feedback you can provide.

All the best,


Hi Lezlaig! Admins tend to revert edits by new contributors if those edits look dubious, due to the volume of vandalism and genuinely spurious edits we see. When I saw malm, I looked for it on Google Books, but couldn't find anything. (It's often hard to figure out how to find interjections on Google Books, though.) If you find "malm" used in books — or on Usenet — you could re-add it with citations. (By the way, it would go above the "----", rather than under it.) I looked it up on Urban Dictionary and saw the theory that it comes from the malm (brown) colour of IKEA furniture... it would be a neat word to have, if we can show that it's used (in books or on Usenet). :)— Beobach 21:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

blocking of[edit]

Hi Beo

Not sure why you blocked him. From what I can see, he wasn't trying to be disruptive at all. The translations are all correct as far as I am concerned. They are just in the wrong entry. I had a peek at his past contributions and they all seem to be pretty valid. However, the block is only for 3 hours, so I am not terribly concerned about it. JamesjiaoTC 00:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I issued a short block because he kept re-adding the terms after I and Mglovesfun commented them out. Mglovesfun has addressed the issue on his talk page and I've unblocked him now, though. Cheers! — Beobach 00:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

pret & kuti[edit]

Hello, Beobach972, check this reference : Online Dictionary and add pret & search, thanks. Mag-Zen 09:40, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi! That source and the printed dictionaries I checked (1, 2) confirms that the "lemma" (the main form of the word) is pres. Thus, "pret", an inflected form, is derived from "pres" — the opposite of what you had written in the entry. — Beobach 22:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Beobach972, yes is a inflected form, the word exist so keep it in your dictionary (to be precise & complete) and add pret to related term of pres (like pre, preva, preje). And about kuti ??? Have a good & happy day. (opposite - / + you readed my book ?) Mag-Zen 08:51, 8 December 2010 TC)

Alright, I've re-added what I was able to verify in printed dictionaries. Cheers! — Beobach 18:32, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but why not keep etymology and ipa ? Agmzên 20:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Because I cannot verify them. Many of the etymologies and pronunciations you have added have been inaccurate. Another of Wiktionary's knowledgeable editors can check the etymology and pronunciation of pret and kuti later, and re-add that information if it is accurate. — Beobach 21:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Hope you find a specialist, but i'm sure of etymology Agmzên 14:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Inflection templates - poll 3[edit]

You have voiced your opinion in some of the polls about renaming of categories for what was previously called "inflection templates", templates that are planned to be newly called "headword templates" or "headword-line templates" in the name of their category. I would like to hear your preference in the poll number 3, whatever your preference is, if you would be so kind: WT:BP#Poll: Inflection to inflection-line 3. Thank you for your input and attention. --Dan Polansky 10:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

RFV archiving[edit]

Thanks for sorting that out. Page is still depressingly huge :) I dare say I'm more responsible than most. Equinox 21:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I've added a whole category to it myself ;) — the problem isn't addition, it's (lack of) subtraction. Ruakh deserves more of the credit than I do, for cutting it down from a browser-crashing pinnacle of nearly a million bytes. Now we just need to work on RFC... and I have an idea... — Beobach 22:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Poll on formatting of etymologies[edit]

I would like to know your preference as regards the use of "<" vs "from" in the formatting of etymologies in Wiktionary, whatever that preference is. Even explicit statement of indifference would be nice. You can state your preference in the currently running poll: WT:BP#Poll: Etymology and the use of less-than symbol. I am sending you this notification, as you took part on some of the recent votes, so chances are you could be interested in the poll. The poll benefits from having as many participants as possible, to be as representative as possible. Feel free to ignore this notification. --Dan Polansky 10:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


In 2006, you added the verb sense "to disappoint someone". What did you mean by this? It's currently at WT:RFV#mock and I can't work out in what context mock could have this meaning. Do other dictionaries list it? Mglovesfun (talk) 15:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)