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stød522:09, 29 June 2015
Syllables in Dutch021:29, 29 June 2015
Category:en:Counties and regions of England and Category:en:Counties of England011:51, 20 June 2015
About your reversal of my edit016:24, 18 June 2015
Question mark in the Finnish declencion tables008:12, 17 June 2015
Small error in Finnish conjugation tables101:08, 15 June 2015
Unnecessary parameter?418:05, 12 June 2015
Categories418:04, 12 June 2015
pl.mov2veron-012:47, 10 June 2015
Your edit on Stoppel117:06, 8 June 2015
over dezelde/1kam scheren014:03, 7 June 2015
fi-IPA -template005:44, 7 June 2015
over dezelde/1kam scheren106:41, 6 June 2015
Syriac diacritics415:59, 4 June 2015
Module:jdt-translit errors519:37, 27 May 2015
Reducing impact from Module:parameters problems215:36, 24 May 2015
Category:zh:Medicine in traditional script111:30, 23 May 2015
A Heads-Up112:34, 22 May 2015
Category:Malay term requests212:53, 21 May 2015
“Alternative forms are no longer categorised per a previous discussion.”222:46, 20 May 2015
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/IPA/ (phonemic transcription) don't include information such as the stop consonant being lenis. That's what you've got [IPA] for. Check up [1], table of allophones. You're preserving falsifications, sorry to say., 29 June 2015

If you want to change that in hundreds or thousands of entries, you'll need to discuss it with other Danish editors first.

CodeCat21:49, 29 June 2015

Btw, I am Danish. Common Danish words without lenis transcriptions: [1] [2] [3] [4] etc etc. This is convention. Peter238 made a mistake in Nicolai of the opposite form [5] - he is not being consistent and should stay away from Danish entries. I don't see Danish in his Babel. Sorry to say, but you made the revert - I know, in good meaning - but in error., 29 June 2015

That is: No lenis marking for phonemic transcription, but with lenis with phonetic transcriptions., 29 June 2015

So the matter isn't whether if I want to change that 'in hundreds or thousands of entries', but rather Peter238 deviating from the conventions by adding lenis markings to phonemic transcriptions, and thus making a mess (like the Nicolai-example)., 29 June 2015

I'm just following the conventions. Sorry if I'm spamming your discussion inbox., 29 June 2015

Syllables in Dutch

Have you got a source which says that the lax vowels can occur in coda? That looks Swedish/Norwegian to me, definitely not Dutch/English/German.

Peter238 (talk)21:29, 29 June 2015

You seem to have created these two within minutes of each other - care to weigh in here?

Keith the Koala (talk)11:51, 20 June 2015

About your reversal of my edit

Why isn't it ok to add pictures with captions on proto germanic pages? And why doesn't that supposed rule apply to pages with non-constructed languages? (Example being cyning for Old English.), 18 June 2015

Question mark in the Finnish declencion tables

I think the little question mark after "accusative-nom" looks annoying and it does not convey any meaningful message. Why wouldn't you just remove it?

Hekaheka (talk)08:12, 17 June 2015

Small error in Finnish conjugation tables

There's an error in the conditional mood - perfect - positive - 3rd person plural: "ovisivat" should be "olisivat".

Hekaheka (talk)23:17, 14 June 2015


CodeCat01:08, 15 June 2015

Unnecessary parameter?

Hi, MewBot has been removing "unnecessary" type-parameters from Finnish "fi-form of" -entries. While I tend to agree that these parameters are not only unnecessary but a pain in the ass, the documentation page of that template states that "Except for type all parameters can be omitted.", I guess you should change that statement before you continue.

Hekaheka (talk)22:39, 8 June 2015

I've updated the documentation, thank you. Do you think it would be useful if abbreviations could be used, like those that {{inflection of}} supports?

CodeCat22:44, 8 June 2015
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Last edit: 18:05, 12 June 2015

Yes, I have thought of it many times, but with my template-writing skills it is less cumbersome to continue writing the cases out. Also, it is sometimes useful to have the free-text option for some noun and pronoun forms which are not considered cases, such as prolative form of maa:

  1. Prolative form of maa (by land, over land).
Hekaheka (talk)03:56, 9 June 2015

Forgot to mention that the prolative of maa is maitse.

Hekaheka (talk)03:58, 9 June 2015

I withdraw the comment on free text. It is probably more practical to classify maitse as adverb. One might mention the prolative-ness in the etymology section.

Hekaheka (talk)04:05, 9 June 2015


Did you have a problem with my choice of category, or with the mere fact that the page was placed in any category?

WikiTiki8917:57, 12 June 2015

The choice of category. It's not nice to use someone else's userspace like that. Keep in mind that the owner of the userspace is free to edit it as they wish; that includes removing categories from it.

CodeCat17:58, 12 June 2015

Alright, well you could have just said something rather than starting a revert war. It's just that your category was the only testing category I found. We should have something like Category:Test as general purpose testing category.

WikiTiki8918:00, 12 June 2015

I've sort of reverted your edit on "Stoppel", except that I put the Latin more towards the front as you had done.

Firstly, it was not correct to say "the High German form was Middle High German stupfel", because Central German is also High German, and it uses "Stoppel".

Secondly, in modern German -- which is not a standardized dialect, but an artificial amalgam of dialects -- we very often have the case that a word comes out with a certain consonantal "irregularity" in comparison to the Upper German-based MHG. But while this is so, it's still essentially the same word and thus a native one. Because the forms Stupfel, Stopfel, Stuppel, Stoppel were all around for some while, written, read, and reproduced, and eventually Stoppel happened to become standardized.

I've been working on these "irregular" consonantisms more or less systematically for some while, and thus far I have chosen to give the MHG-OHG lineage, and then explain the specific form according to its dialectal background (usually that is Central and/or Low German). This is also what the etymological dictionaries do in many or most cases. Thereby, I treat the word as being derived both from Middle High German and Middle Low German, not as a borrowing from the latter.

I only do this in cases where the identity of different dialectal forms was obvious to writers in the formative period of modern German, who were generally quite aware of the dialectal differences. I wouldn't do it if two stems happened to be cognates, but the identity wasn't obvious (because maybe the word had become archaic in Upper German, or the Low German form was just too different). All of this, of course, based on the standard literature.

You don't need to answer, unless you disagree with this practice.

Kolmiel (talk)17:05, 8 June 2015

What I don't agree with is saying that the word comes from MHG "stupfel". That's just clearly wrong.

CodeCat17:06, 8 June 2015

over dezelde/1kam scheren


ps.itryd2MODIFYmypost-but'dntsave:/, 7 June 2015

fi-IPA -template

I think you should read this [1] together with the links provided in that article, and evaluate whether this new template provides a sufficient tool for adding IPA pronunciations for Finnish.

Hekaheka (talk)05:44, 7 June 2015

over dezelde/1kam scheren

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@Chuck Entz [owdouedit 1sowncomnt here??, 6 June 2015

Syriac diacritics

I added a combining diaeresis filter to "arc" and "syc", but it does not seem to work: ܐܪ̈ܡܝܐ should produce a link to ܐܪܡܝܐ. The other diacritics I added work fine. Do you know what is wrong? Does the combining diaeresis somehow have a special meaning in a square bracket block in Lua regular expressions?

WikiTiki8914:33, 4 June 2015

No, combining diacritics work fine. Maybe it's not actually the right character?

CodeCat14:51, 4 June 2015

It is definitely the right character U+0308. I tested it to make sure, and u(0x0308) produces the same character that is in the Syriac word above.

WikiTiki8914:55, 4 June 2015

There is probably a bug in Lua's regex implementation. I moved the combining diaeresis to the beginning of the bracket block and now it works. I tested it and it doesn't work in any other position.

WikiTiki8915:08, 4 June 2015

Strange. Glad that you got it working anyway.

CodeCat15:59, 4 June 2015

What am I doing wrong here: ḩəsb?

WikiTiki8918:16, 27 May 2015

"lang" is nil.

CodeCat18:26, 27 May 2015

Ok. So what's the point of having the lang and sc arguments to the tr function if nothing is even passed to them?

WikiTiki8918:29, 27 May 2015

And what's wrong now that lang is not nil?

WikiTiki8918:32, 27 May 2015

I figured it out. Transliteration functions receive strings for lang and sc. So you need to retrieve the language and script objects first.

This really shouldn't be this way though. It was left like this because trying to change it would have broken the transliteration modules for a while until everything was updated.

CodeCat19:28, 27 May 2015

Ok thanks!

WikiTiki8919:37, 27 May 2015

Reducing impact from Module:parameters problems

There's nothing anyone can do about all the "remove_holes" module errors, but the parameter-based ones are still popping up all the time, and many are no-brainer bot fodder. These are the ones I'm seeing the most of:

  • {{l|...|lang= / {{m|...|lang= / {{label=|...|lang=
  • |}} and other empty parameters with no positional parameters following.
  • Sc= / SC=
  • |ланг=сч and other parameters with names in the wrong script (my personal favorite: |сц=Латинх ).
  • sg= instead of head=
  • pl= in {{head}} instead of plural|

Getting rid of those should lighten the load of module errors by dozens a day, and leave mostly the quick ones that just need a null edit to clear.

Chuck Entz (talk)02:54, 24 May 2015

I have been checking and fixing these during the day. But I can't do it when I'm asleep, so that's when they build up.

CodeCat11:21, 24 May 2015

No, I was talking about a preemptive bot run based on the dumps, to get them before the edit queue gets to them. These have been here for years, so we don't need to worry about the dumps being out of date. This is a parameter change, just like any number of ones that you've had MewBot implement- it's just not a specific one. It would be nice to not have these continue to dribble in even after the remove_holes ones have run their course.

Chuck Entz (talk)15:36, 24 May 2015

Re: diff. I thought we had stopped creating script-specific topical categories, since the catboilers can't handle them (at least, I've never been able to get such categories to work, and a search for "in traditional script" in categories shows nothing successfully using them). Besides which, the Chinese entries are now supposed to be set up to have everything in the traditional-script version and a soft redirect in the simplified-script version.

Chuck Entz (talk)03:31, 23 May 2015

I just fixed the parameter, I don't really follow all the changes for Chinese.

CodeCat11:30, 23 May 2015

A Heads-Up

You might want to take a look at the newly created {{MongolUnicode}} which seems to be ported from WP, and is being added to Mongolian templates. I don't know enough to tell if it's compatible with our system of templates, modules and js- but I have my doubts.

Chuck Entz (talk)06:10, 22 May 2015

We probably don't want it because it replaces our own Mongolian script codes. But at the same time, this seems to support vertical writing, which our templates don't. So I'm a bit reluctant to remove it altogether. Maybe this should go to the Grease Pit?

CodeCat12:34, 22 May 2015

These seem to be all due to a recent edit of yours to {{ms-noun}}

Chuck Entz (talk)07:05, 21 May 2015

I take that back. Module:headword/templates seems to be the more likely culprit

Chuck Entz (talk)07:17, 21 May 2015

Fixed now.

CodeCat12:53, 21 May 2015

“Alternative forms are no longer categorised per a previous discussion.”

Please provide me with a link to this discussion.

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.21:18, 21 September 2014

Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2013/December#How useful is Category:Alternative forms by language?. Following that discussion, {{alternative form of}}, {{alternative spelling of}} and {{alternative capitalization of}} no longer categorise. It would be rather strange if {{alternative typography of}} did categorise.

CodeCat21:22, 21 September 2014

How about {{medieval spelling of}}?

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.22:46, 20 May 2015
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