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Suecophile412:53, 9 February 2016
Mod:Template:also parameters007:58, 9 February 2016
Slavic dupa007:22, 9 February 2016
vale and valet008:01, 8 February 2016
Deleted category102:49, 8 February 2016
PIE conjugation016:28, 7 February 2016
Middle, 6 February 2016
Papaja002:41, 5 February 2016
lagaña (Spanish)016:48, 4 February 2016
canu'v alook?000:24, 4 February 2016
Suecophile217:12, 3 February 2016
Wondering111:42, 30 January 2016
Pluta122:15, 29 January 2016
pl,mov2Bomenaar019:42, 28 January 2016
*klinganą114:48, 27 January 2016
only running MewBot 7 or 8 hours a day?115:22, 25 January 2016
Slava, Slavonic, Slovo, Słuch200:18, 25 January 2016
Jutro and my other etymological edits400:13, 23 January 2016
Extension Variables222:27, 22 January 2016
MewBot is introducing errors1221:09, 20 January 2016
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The article was moved in spite probably it should not have been moved and that was made before the template was put there. The first letter as a capital letter is in line with other words like this, see Francophile and Fennophile for instance. Don't move my question to you to my talk page. Stop warring about this and discuss it instead. Lilac pig (talk) 17:01, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Lilac pig (talk)17:01, 3 February 2016

I checked BGC for similar words and found that Francophile gets more than 90,000 hits, Russophile about 30,000 hits, Italophile and Hispanophile 5,000 each, Fennophile 250, but Suecophile only gets one. Instead, Swedophile gets about 50 hits.

Hekaheka (talk)17:27, 3 February 2016

Please don't answer on my talk page. Put the answers at the talkpage where the thread was started, and I will answer you there. Lilac pig (talk) 17:32, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Lilac pig (talk)17:32, 3 February 2016

Lilac pig: I don't understand what you mean with "talkpage where the thread was started". From my point of view I'm writing on CodeCat's Talk page and an entry signed by you is right on top of the thread. I agree with you that it seems like a strange solution to delete Suecophile and keep suecophile, as the only BGC hit is for the capitalized form. Funny enough, we have Suecophiles unchallenged. One might also argue that neither of them is attestable (3 permanently archived citations are required), whereas Swedophile is.

Hekaheka (talk)18:06, 3 February 2016

I saw your message because it says "New messages (3)" on top of the Wiktionary page for me (right next to "Contributions") and the headline on this page where I write now is "Special page: New messages". Lilac pig (talk) 12:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Lilac pig (talk)12:53, 9 February 2016

I know that there is no need to update a functioning module, but it seems like (the poorly named) Mod:Template:also could be much shortened and improved using your parameters module. Thoughts?

JohnC507:58, 9 February 2016

Thank you for finally giving reasons for one of your reverts, o CodeCat!

Still, your revert goes against the etymology of dupa/dziupla/dno (q.v.) as given in Słownik etymologiczny języka polskiego, Wiesław Boryś, Kraków 2005, see here for this very entry or in the truncated Słownik Języka Polskiego here. In short, e.g. dno <- *dъbno -< *dhub-no- od *dheṷ-b- (/*dheṷ-p-). Ditto in (agreed, very dated) Bruckner, who is providing the cognate Lithuanian [[dauba], dubus, and dubti, while for the latter originating from *dheṷ-b-, see Bronius Piesarskas and Bronius Svecevicius: Lithuanian Dictionary and Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary (1963).

Do your sources claim otherwise? If so, please provide their ety. If not, please revert yourself and fix further. Chwała!

Zezen (talk)07:22, 9 February 2016

vale and valet[edit]

As it seems like you didn't understand the comment "PoS of an English translation does not determine Latin PoS":
The part of speech of an English translation does not determine the part of speech of a foreign word, in this case of a Latin word. Maybe this is an more obvious example for you: German "Sei gegrüßt!" literally means "Be greeted!". You can translate it with an English interjection like "Hello!", but the German still is an verbal expression (using a helping verb and a participle). Similary Latin "vale" and "valete" are just verb forms (more precisely, imperative forms) and no interjections even though they are commonly translated into English by an interjection. This also explains why the "interjection" has a singular and a plural form. Furthermore, even common dictionaries do not state that "vale" and "valete" are interjections, but simply mention that some verb forms (vale, valete, valeas) are translated as "farewell". - 08:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

08:01, 8 February 2016

Deleted category

When you deleted Category:Form of templates, you left several redlinks. Can you please fix this?

dcljr (talk)10:33, 21 August 2013

I've fixed 16 template-documentation pages and a handful of talk pages that linked to the old category name. In the future, please fix any redlinks you create.

dcljr (talk)02:49, 8 February 2016

PIE conjugation

Hello, I was just wondering why all the PIE conjugation tables were removed (at least in some articles, by you) in 2012. Assuming this was some collective decision of the Wiktionary community or some subset of it, it would be nice if the edit summaries of such mass actions included some link to said decision., 7 February 2016


tisike ‎(“a phthisic [i.e., one suffering from consumption or pulmonary tuberculosis”), Middle Dutch (since WT:RE:dum doesn't exist, I brought the request here); from the Latin phthisicus; blue-linked because of a Middle English entry. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 07:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC), 6 February 2016

Since the entry for the word papaja got created, feel free to add a Dutch language entry to it. (I expanded the Danish entry, partly because it needed love and partly because I'm part Danish on my father's side.)

Lo Ximiendo (talk)02:41, 5 February 2016

lagaña (Spanish)

lagaña was called informal. i checkt the RAE n dat is wrong. I try to fix but i dont know if it workt., 4 February 2016

canu'v alook?

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along, alongside (stationary)
       Het bed staat langs de muur. 00:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC), 4 February 2016


Why are you changing the article about Suecophile and taking away what should be there? This is not a place for edit warring. Lilac pig (talk) 16:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Lilac pig (talk)16:55, 3 February 2016

The page should not be moved while it's in RFV, and the RFV notice should not be removed.

CodeCat16:57, 3 February 2016

I put the RFV template back. No roll the page back and start discussing instead of just doing your own thing. Lilac pig (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Lilac pig (talk)17:12, 3 February 2016

Esteemed Codecat,

Re this and other reverts.

I very rarely use the ad hominem, but recently I read the eye-opening tutorial to a- and neuro-typical aspects of Wiki editing. I shall thus risk and with a doze of trepidation ask: are you an Aspie?

If so, please (re-?)read the aforementioned guide and compare your "all or none" edits and the declared approach with e.g. the fixes made by your equally zealous Wiktionary colleagues (click), who instead of reverting such en masse, maybe grumble some, in jest and fix the codes or placement if that makes sense for the [5 pillars]' sake. I do the same to their edits, see my history herein.

Self ad-hominem now and taking a plunge at levity: listen, I am a cat], too, maybe too WP:Bold as a neurotypical :).

Shall we thus cooperate, for Wiktionary's sake?

Your eternal servitor, a slavic kludge, apt only at cludgeling with Slavic cudgels Zezen (talk) 23:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Zezen (talk)23:12, 29 January 2016

Probably shouldn't insert myself into this but I agree with Zezen here, reverting someone's in-good-faith work, particularly a non-IP user, is something I would generally avoid doing because it comes across as kind of hostile. I suggest either fixing it and grumbling on the person's talk page, or just pointing out the problems on the person's talk page and asking them if they could fix it. I would wait to start reverting until it's clear someone isn't willing to learn from their mistakes.

Benwing2 (talk)11:42, 30 January 2016

And why? Dlaczego Ci się pluta polska nie podoba? Zezen (talk) 22:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Zezen (talk)22:12, 29 January 2016

The entry was formatted all wrong. Parts of it were missing, it was placed in the wrong categories, and the pronunciation was bad too. Placing pages in the wrong categories is a bad habit that you seem to have, and I'll continue to revert you until you catch on.

CodeCat22:15, 29 January 2016

Hi CodeCat!

Could you have a short look if I did nothing wrong in my recent edit? Thank you and greetings

Bigbossfarin (talk)12:25, 27 January 2016

It looks ok.

CodeCat14:48, 27 January 2016

only running MewBot 7 or 8 hours a day?

Hey, I notice MewBot isn't running 24 hours a day to deal with term/context/cx. Are you only running it when you're around to stop it if it messes up, or is this intended to reduce load of some sort?

Benwing2 (talk)04:02, 25 January 2016

I turn the computer off when I'm not using it, like when I sleep.

CodeCat15:22, 25 January 2016

Slava, Slavonic, Slovo, Słuch

Please tell me where this should go then. It is important, as I have just edited Slavs in the WIkipedia mainspace accordingly and plan to do the same with its derivates therein. Zezen (talk) 23:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Zezen (talk)23:57, 24 January 2016
  • *slovo is a descendant of *ḱlew-os ~ *ḱlew-es-.
  • *slava reflects a long vowel of unclear origin, so that would go under "unsorted formations".
  • Slavonic is a non-Slavic word derived ultimately from *slava. It shouldn't go on the PIE page.
  • *sluxъ reflects an s-extension of some sort, something like *ḱlow-s-os perhaps.
CodeCat00:03, 25 January 2016

Thank you a lot. You are welcome to place these in the appropriate places, of course.

I will use this distinction if challenged in Wikipedia itself.

Zezen (talk)00:18, 25 January 2016

Jutro and my other etymological edits

You have deleted them en masse, including this one. Please cf. this Russian cognate- google translate its etymology if needed:

Наряду с *jutrо реконструируют также праслав. *ustrо на основе ст.-слав. заоустра (согласно Северьянову, — описки), а также др.-польск. justrzenka, макед. застра «завтра». Только для этого недостаточно достоверного *ustrо можно ставить вопрос о родстве с лит. aušrà «заря», греч. αὔριον «завтра», др.-в.-нем. ost(a)ra «пасха», др.-инд. usrás «утренний».

Pls comment why this Ostara etymology is thus not kosher here. Zezen (talk) 23:19, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Zezen (talk)23:19, 22 January 2016

You haven't explained what happened to the -s- in Slavic. The word-initial j- is also not explained; this would normally point to PIE *ew-, not *aw-.

CodeCat23:22, 22 January 2016

Jutro vs utro, jutrzenka vs justrzenka, see here will explain it, I hope.

Zezen (talk)23:47, 22 January 2016

And this one, admittedly less scientific, but full of the (j)u(s)tro Slavic varieties.

Zezen (talk)23:56, 22 January 2016

"Etymology is disputed" says enough.

CodeCat00:13, 23 January 2016

Extension Variables

Hi CodeCat,

I saw you started a vote on installing the Variables extension. Does it mean the extension would indeed be installed if the proposal passes? We had some talks about this extensions on Czech Wiktionary some time ago (it would greatly help us too), but one editor stopped the discussion with a claim that "this extension would never be allowed on WM wikis because it would break the new parser"). Is this claim true or not? Is there a possiblity this extension could be installed on a WM wiki in some near future? If so, we'd probably want it on Czech Wiktionary too.

Auvajs (talk)18:39, 22 January 2016

It looks like we will indeed not be able to get the extension, so in a way the vote is moot. However, my hope is that it will spur on a request that can get filled by something else that can do the same function (along the lines of what Tim Starling said in the GP).

Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds22:14, 22 January 2016

At the very least, the vote shows that there is a desire and consensus for some kind of thing that does this.

CodeCat22:27, 22 January 2016

MewBot is introducing errors

When MewBot is converting {{usex}} to {{ux}}, it fails to convert |t=/|translation= to |3=. Cf. только что ‎(tolʹko što) (which I manually corrected). You will need to rerun on all the already-done pages to fix this.

Benwing2 (talk)03:04, 17 January 2016

As a stopgap, I've now added these parameters to {{ux}} as well, as aliases of the third parameter.

CodeCat14:45, 17 January 2016

There are still some problems, although I don't know the source of them. For example, the usex at כוואַליע is messed up now. Can you fix these?

Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds01:04, 18 January 2016

I don't know if that's even the template's doing.

CodeCat02:48, 18 January 2016

I think that could easily be fixed by stripping newlines from the ends of the example and transliteration.

DTLHS (talk)02:53, 18 January 2016

I agree with DTLHS that you should strip whitespace from the ends of the example (param 2). In this case it worked before because whitespace is stripped from named parameters and not from unnamed parameters, and the example was specified as 1=..., i.e. as a named parameter. If you change the new {{ux}} so that the example in parameter 2 begins with 2=, everything works. But that's a horrible hack.

Benwing2 (talk)07:35, 18 January 2016
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