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Removal of certain Middle Dutch variations615:32, 26 May 2017
Module:pt-headword313:58, 26 May 2017
MewBot adding lang to column templates622:48, 22 May 2017
Sloppy undoing115:45, 22 May 2017
grinden601:29, 21 May 2017
Question about splitting Dutch etymologies312:28, 17 May 2017
cauda / PIE root *keh₂u-1101:26, 17 May 2017
Too close300:33, 17 May 2017
Template:ast-noun-mf218:46, 13 May 2017
Your placement of various "nyms"722:28, 12 May 2017
Estonian conjugation tables not working?115:14, 11 May 2017
Template:categorize not categorizing "Category talk" pages318:30, 3 May 2017
US English223:05, 1 May 2017
Unicode block cat121:52, 25 April 2017
My Contributions322:01, 19 April 2017
Dutch and the letter "g"119:19, 19 April 2017
Category:Tamil nouns111:57, 16 April 2017
Template categories300:41, 16 April 2017
anser319:42, 14 April 2017
Good Friday219:13, 14 April 2017
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Removal of certain Middle Dutch variations

Hey, I have noticed that you've been occasionally removing attested Middle Dutch variants of various words, care to mention why?.

21:56, 20 May 2017

When they're just spelling variants, they only clutter up the list and add nothing. When they are real variants, I suppose the same argument can be made, though not as convincingly. In any case, I'd rather keep the descendants lists clean if possible, and list alternative forms in the entries themselves.

22:01, 20 May 2017

I disagree as well. I think all variant, perhaps short of spelling errors, should be kept and added to {{alter}}.

01:59, 26 May 2017

Only alternative forms, not alternative spellings, and only the more common alternative forms should be listed as descendants, not the really obscure ones. It clutters up the list too much.

02:01, 26 May 2017

I can conceded that obscure forms should generally be omitted, but I think a) in a period of fluctuating spelling, who's to say which is most correct, and b) making the distinction between a spelling variant and a alternative form can be blurry, and c) spelling variants can illustrate archaic forms echoing the ODut form, or the transition and standardization of MDut to ModDut.

02:47, 26 May 2017

Middle Dutch spelling is normalized per WT:ADUM. The normalisation affects only things that we know are just different ways that the same thing is spelled.

12:41, 26 May 2017

{{pt-adj}} is broken.

Roxo is displaying: roxo (masculine plural roxos, feminine plural roxas, comparable)

It should be displaying: roxo m (feminine singular roxa, masculine plural roxos, feminine plural roxas, comparable)

Azul is displaying: azul (feminine singular azul, plural azuis, comparable)

It should be displaying: azul m, f (plural azuis, comparable)

12:38, 26 May 2017

Adjectives don't have genders, so it looks right to me.

12:39, 26 May 2017

I’ll have to fix it myself then.

13:38, 26 May 2017

Nothing is broken. Adjectives shouldn't have gender tags because they do not have genders.

13:58, 26 May 2017

MewBot adding lang to column templates

Hey, MewBot's change to pages where {{l}} is used in {{der3}} is causing the full_link to be added twice. See for instance θνῄσκω (thnḗiskō).


19:38, 13 April 2017

These will be fixed, but for now I'm ensuring that lang= is always present.

19:38, 13 April 2017

Okay. I was thinking, maybe Module:columns should check if a list entry has language and script tagging and a link already, so that people can still use {{l}} in list entries to provide annotations (gender, alternative transliteration, translation). However, I'm not totally sure which annotations should be allowed in Derived terms lists.


22:53, 13 April 2017

If you're going to use {{l}} in {{der3}}, you might as well wrap it in {{der-top3}} instead now that it's autobalancing.

22:54, 13 April 2017

I no longer use {{l}} in {{der3}}, but others do, and I'm not sure if there's a policy about what sorts of annotations should be added to items in a list of derived terms (i.e., whether I should be removing the annotations that someone else has added).


23:02, 13 April 2017

When do you plan to deal with this? Currently the kludge is this.

suzukaze (tc)

22:27, 23 April 2017

When do you plan to deal with this?

For future reference, विद्या looks dreadful before the kludge above is added.

suzukaze (tc)

22:48, 22 May 2017

Sloppy undoing

See here. Vatican City is still a city. You have left Category:Tokyo under Category:Cities in Japan but now Category:London is no longer under Category:Cities in England, plus you removed useful links.

Justin (koavf)TCM

15:43, 22 May 2017

I see that as I was posting, you were still editing. Thanks.

Justin (koavf)TCM

15:45, 22 May 2017

Hi ! Here is a link to "Forgotten Words" that lists this. [[1]]

grinden st. grond, h. gegronden 1 knarsen, malen, verbrijzelen, vermorzelen • Engels grind • ~ °grand, grind, mog. ~ °grind1

23:00, 20 May 2017

I didn't find it in VMNW and MNW though.

23:08, 20 May 2017

It has no entry, but it's mentioned here [[1]] @ grind_1. A Google search for "grinden" "grond" "gegronden" also turns up a bit more (talk) 23:26, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

23:26, 20 May 2017

Ok, but for it to have a Middle Dutch entry, it would need at least one attestation. For modern Dutch, it needs three.

23:28, 20 May 2017

Right ! Okay...I will have to do some searching :)

00:17, 21 May 2017

ok, not 100% sure on this, but:

"Yegelich dbeste, dat zi konden, Van den ritter us gegronden,"

From [[1]], this is a use im Middle Dutch of the past participle ?

00:25, 21 May 2017

Question about splitting Dutch etymologies

Should verb forms that are identical to the verb stem and nouns that are identical to the stem and derive from the same verb be grouped under the same etymology or should they be split (supposing that the noun isn't inherited or borrowed from another language, like tover)?

11:49, 17 May 2017

They should be split, because they don't have the same history. One of them was surely formed from the other at some point, and this is worth mentioning. If one of them can be traced back to, say, Proto-Germanic or Proto-Indo-European, that certainly doesn't necessarily apply to the other.

Non-lemmas should always go in their own etymology section marked with {{nonlemma}}, but several can be grouped together under that etymology regardless of origins.

11:53, 17 May 2017

Okay, that's clear.

12:27, 17 May 2017

Also, the {{nonlemma}} etymology section should always go last.

12:28, 17 May 2017

cauda / PIE root *keh₂u-

Hey there! You just reverted my edit where I pointed the etymology of Latin cauda to the correct PIE root. I know there's a lot of inconsistency between various entries on Wiktionary that derive from this root, but the page now exists and I believe all descendants should link to it, not some other spelling variation. Please consider un-reverting my edit.

00:20, 17 May 2017

The root should be spelled *keh₂w-, as it was before in the Latin entry. We always write the consonantal form of sonorants in roots. Even so, there are no descendants on the PIE page, so I marked it for deletion.

00:22, 17 May 2017

Great attitude you got there. I spent about an hour trying to create that page, but yeah, flush it down the toilet instead of fixing / adding to it. Thanks.

00:26, 17 May 2017

I do that with all reconstructions lacking descendants. Descendants are absolutely vital for reconstructions, and lack of them makes the entry useless.

00:28, 17 May 2017

So because I cannot at the moment spend another 3 hours reading through all the documentation of Wiktionary to add the bazillion templates required (which I am not at all familiar with), instead of being helpful or at least patient, you just delete everything I've done. The root is listed in IEW and I've provided the link. I undertand that you may prefer a different spelling, but instead of moving my work over to your preferred variant, you're deleting everything. (BTW the *keh₂u- version is listed on some entry, that's how I created the page. So then that needs correction.)

00:34, 17 May 2017

Codecat can't delete anything. Your edits are still accessible in the history.

00:36, 17 May 2017

The point is still that you didn't list any descendants, even though WT:AINE says they must be provided. I would have simply moved the entry if there had been descendants present. Instead of arguing with me, why don't you go an add some to the entry?

00:37, 17 May 2017

Please stop editing entries I'm working only seconds later. You're causing edit conflicts.

00:27, 17 May 2017

Sorry, I'll check my crystal ball next time.

00:29, 17 May 2017

Or, you know, the edit time.

00:32, 17 May 2017

Also, I'm glad you noticed that there was an OD entry for hant already, but you also went and deleted content that was lacking in the existing entry.

00:33, 17 May 2017

Hey. Can you merge Template:ast-noun-mf and Template:ast-noun? Unnecessary overlap, methinks

What are you asking me to do, though?

18:39, 13 May 2017

Somehow merge them into one template, using complicated code, CodeCat style?


Your placement of various "nyms"

I've noticed that you've been moving a lot of nyms to directly under the senses, as at maths. There have been a few users who have mentioned not liking this, including myself (see this Beer Parlour discussion from February--I think there was another discussion on it as well, but I'm not sure where). I was just wondering if it would be possible to change the templates you're using to display nyms in the same way that quotations are hidden, so that they wouldn't create so much clutter around the definition lines. Multiple users have mentioned liking the way the Simple English Wiktionary does it in some entries (see simple).

Is this something you could do easily enough? Do you have any objections to making them collapsable? I much prefer having nyms under individual senses, but the way it is now clutters up the entry too much, I think.

18:32, 12 May 2017

They should be hidable with the right JS code, yes.

18:43, 12 May 2017

Is that something you'd be able to make the default, since most people seem to prefer them being hidden?

21:31, 12 May 2017

I don't think there is a consensus for hiding all synonyms behind an expandable box, so you'll have to find a consensus for this first. In the meantime, you could write code to make it collapsible just for you, and we can then use that code if/when it's decided that we want to make that available for everyone.

21:34, 12 May 2017

I think I'll have to let others do the coding! Meanwhile, I'll start a Beer Parlour discussion to see what people think.

22:05, 12 May 2017

It might be good to collapse by default only where they exceed a certain size. If we are collapsing a small handful of words that don't take much space, then it is counterproductive to make the user perform an extra click/tap to reveal them. But if it's a big paragraph, it can be helpful to hide them by default.

22:11, 12 May 2017

Estonian conjugation tables not working?

Hi! I don't know if it's just my browser, but there seems to be something wrong with Module:et-verbs. The conjugation table is not opening at all, at any pages I've tried. It seems you've been active with Estonian conjugations so I contacted you. --

15:12, 11 May 2017

It's affecting everything on Wiktionary, not just Estonian.

15:14, 11 May 2017

Template:categorize not categorizing "Category talk" pages

Apparently {{categorize}} does not categorize pages in the "Category talk" namespace. Could you fix that, please? Or maybe point to some way I could fix it?

Case in point:

08:28, 3 May 2017

{{categorize}} is meant for entries only.

11:39, 3 May 2017

Was that discussed somewhere?

{{attention}} is meant for many namespaces. If it's true that {{categorize}} is meant for entries only, then {{attention}} should not use {{categorize}}.

But rather, I'm skeptical of your statement above. I believe {{categorize}} is good for many namespaces, and the fact that it doesn't work in "Category talk" is a bug to be fixed.

18:21, 3 May 2017

It's meant to prevent templates that are intended for entries from adding pages to categories where they don't belong.

18:30, 3 May 2017

US English

Per, now you have reinserted articles such as band into the redlink Category:US English. Do you have a way to fix this?

Justin (koavf)TCM

22:30, 1 May 2017

Poke Erutuon about it, he has been messing with the modules lately.

22:55, 1 May 2017

@Erutuon: Can you explain what's happening here and how to empty this non-existent category?

Justin (koavf)TCM

23:05, 1 May 2017

Unicode block cat

Hello. Why create {{Unicode block cat}}? {{auto cat}} is working fine for the Unicode block categories.

21:50, 25 April 2017

It wasn't. As I said before, {{auto cat}} is only meant to decide which template to use, it's not supposed to provide the content. With its module now refactored, it no longer works without a template.

21:52, 25 April 2017

My Contributions

I apologise for my inability to post things properly. I am very new to this but have been in love with languages for a while, so I've wanted to post some words from unknown languages of sorts. I don't understand formatting (I'm 13 :/) so it's very difficult for me.

21:46, 19 April 2017

It's ok. Everyone has to start somewhere! We take our formatting very seriously here as you can see from the number of people that have already posted to your talk page. WT:EL is our main policy for formatting, but I can understand if it's a lot to take in at once. It can be very helpful to see what changes other people make to your entries afterwards; this gives you clues about how the entries should be written. One way to keep track of changes to entries is to use your Watchlist.

You can add all pages you create or edit to your watchlist (using the button "Watch this page" below the area containing the text of the page). This lets you come back to your watchlist later and see what others have changed since your edit. There is an option in the preferences, on the "Watchlist" tab, to "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist", and another to "Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist". This way, you'll automatically have all pages you've done something to on your watchlist, and all you need to do is check the list periodically.

Feel free to ask me if you have any more questions!

21:55, 19 April 2017

Thank you! I'm so glad this community is so welcoming to young members.

22:00, 19 April 2017

It differs on who you meet, sadly. Some people have complained that it's not so welcoming. I try my best, though.

22:01, 19 April 2017

Dutch and the letter "g"

Hello. I've long been confused about this, so I thought that I would ask a native speaker to clear this up for me.

I was under the impression that in Dutch, the letter "g" is pronounced /ɣ/ (except at the end of a word). But in most of the audio files that we have here, "g" seems to be pronounced /x/.

Why is this?

Thank you in advance.

19:18, 19 April 2017

This is a dialectal variation. For some speakers, the phoneme merges with /x/.

19:19, 19 April 2017

Category:Tamil nouns

Hi, many words in this category have their headwords without templates such as {{ta-noun}}. Can your MewBot fix this, and remove the manual transliteration. C.f. ஓடம் (ōṭam, boat) for example

10:02, 16 April 2017

I may do it sometime, but not at the moment.

11:57, 16 April 2017

Template categories

I do think that Category:Reference templates by language (where all the subcategories are) should be a part of Category:Reference templates (which has the interwiki links). Can you please explain why you reverted my categorization?

15:32, 15 April 2017

Because it's about to be deleted.

15:43, 15 April 2017

In that case, the interwiki links should move to the surviving category, right? And interwiki links for categories on Wiktionary are still maintained in the wikitext, not through Wikidata, right?

00:36, 16 April 2017

Yes and yes.

00:41, 16 April 2017

This rollback is in error.

19:24, 14 April 2017
19:25, 14 April 2017


19:41, 14 April 2017

You're not fooling anyone.

19:42, 14 April 2017

This rollback is in error.

19:08, 14 April 2017


19:09, 14 April 2017


19:13, 14 April 2017
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